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I truly don't understand. What am I missing, please?


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2 hours ago, Marston said:

I truly don't understand. What am I missing, please?

The Historical Roots of the Anti-Israel Positions of Liberal Protestant Churches

It's quite a long article but it explains the biased reasoning involved.

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4 hours ago, Marston said:

I truly don't understand. What am I missing, please?

I've been a christian for over forty yrs and can not remember any other christian talking against the Jews.
Matter of fact, most of what I have seen has been on this forum. Recently.  I do not listen to any mainstream media/paper.

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2 hours ago, Sower said:

I've been a christian for over forty yrs and can not remember any other christian talking against the Jews.
Matter of fact, most of what I have seen has been on this forum. Recently.  I do not listen to any mainstream media/paper.

Sadly, it seems that there is a not-so-insignificant number of Chritians with strong antipathy toward Israel and Jews. I find it to be revolting and shocking. I personally would gladly sacrifice my life to protect Israel. I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people. 

 

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47 minutes ago, Marston said:

Sadly, it seems that there is a not-so-insignificant number of Chritians with strong antipathy toward Israel and Jews. I find it to be revolting and shocking. I personally would gladly sacrifice my life to protect Israel. I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people. 

 

Like all unconverted peoples they are flesh driven. Of the world, so I wouldn't set them up on a pedestal. God chose them to carry the word through the generations to the very end of this age and therefore Satan has always been determined to destroy them off the face of his dominion.

 

(Rom.9)

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3 hours ago, Marston said:

I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people. 

I'm  sorry but the reality is similar to America.

A quote from the Israel Times:-

AP — Israel is a nation perennially swept up in religious fervor and conflict. And yet, strikingly, a large portion of its population is secular, and even its insular ultra-Orthodox community loses a steady stream of members who tire of its strict religious rules.

The country is home to about 7 million Jews, almost half of the global Jewish population. But Jewish identity is a complex blend of religious and ethnonational identity; most Israeli Jews are not diligent observers of Judaism.

An Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics survey published in 2021 found that among Israeli Jews over the age of 20, about 45 percent identified as secular or not religious, while 33% said they practiced “traditional” religious worship. Ultra-Orthodox Jews, known as Haredim in Hebrew, made up 10%.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/religion-has-outsized-role-in-israel-yet-most-of-its-jews-arent-really-observant/

 

Israelies are intelligent, charming, ha4d working people, but they are people in need of a saviour.

They are also determined  and militarily  both efficient  and ruthless.

They like the Palestinians  need Jesus.

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Irrational "disdain" for the Jews arises from the anti-Christ influence that holds sway over the world.

Satan, and the associated anti-Christ spirit, hate the original covenant people of God - through whom salvation came to the whole world. Historically, Jewish morality thwarted Satan's plan to destroy God's beloved humanity via sin and corruption - until the Savior arrived and God's plan was fulfilled. Satan is also aware that His head is destined for the heel of the Jewish Messiah.

The world therefore hates both Christians and Jews. Unfortunately, even some who label themselves Christians are still blinded to this evil influence over their perception of Jews.

My comments here should not be taken to suggest that all Jews are always innocent. Nevertheless, such broad Generalizations (i.e. formal fallacies) are indicative of a departure from logic - which, when repeated throughout history, strongly indicates a persistent spiritual blindness.

 

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4 hours ago, Marston said:

I believe the Jews of Israel to be upstanding, righteous, Godly people. 

Have you ever been to Israel?  I have.  What struck me is how secular Tel Aviv people are, as in God is a non-issue, just like so many in the US.  In Jerusalem, I saw much more religiosity.  

But how can they be righteous, if even the religious ones do not accept Jesus as their savior?

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I am not aware of knowing any follower of Christ who has a disdain for Jews. It makes no sense.

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There are many misconceptions that are commonplace throughout Christianity about who the modern "Jews" actually are.

Historically (according to Scripture) Jacob/Israel had 12 sons, one of which (the 4th son) was named "Judah", which is where the term "Jew" originated. Obviously the other 11 were NOT Judah.

After king David and Solomon ruled over a united Israel (all 12 tribes), the kingdom split into two separate kingdoms under Solomon's son Rehoboam, with the 10 northern tribes retaining the name "Israel", i.e. the "House of Israel" (with Samaria as its capital), with the 2 southern tribes of Judah and Benjamin being referred to as the "House of Judah" (with Jerusalem as its capital).

The overwhelming majority of the 10-tribed "House of Israel" were taken into captivity by the Assyrians c. 722 BC, and never returned to their native land. The "House of Israel" fled with the Assyrians before the Babylonian army, which replaced the Assyrians as the regional state superpower.

Over 100 years later, the overwhelming majority of the "House of Judah" were taken into captivity in Babylon, with the main deportation beginning in 604 BC and ending with the destruction of Solomon's Temple in 588 BC. When the "House of Judah" was released from captivity approximately 70 years later, MOST of them stayed in Babylon, as they had intermarried with the Babylonians, and eventually fled together with the Babylonians to Asia Minor (present-day Turkey), as chronicled in Revelation 2 and 3 with the seven communities (ekklesia), before eventually migrating to Rome.

There was only a REMNANT of the 2-tribed "House of Judah" (42,360 Souls – Ezra 2:64, Neh. 7:66) which returned to Jerusalem and the land of Israel from captivity in Babylon; the rest were converts of different or mixed lineages (Ezra 2:59, Ezra 9:2, Neh. 7:61).

It should be self-evident from the above historical record, all of which is recorded in Scripture, that even this REMNANT from the 2-tribe "House of Judah" could not possibly represent the 10-tribed "House of Israel" i.e. the overwhelming majority of the Israelites. And given the historical fact that there have been 3 mass conversions to Talmudic Judaism over the past 2600 years since the captivity of the 2-tribed "House of Judah", the overwhelming majority (>95%) of the people today falsely claiming to be the Biblical "Jews" aren't even Semites by their own admission (Source: Jewish Encyclopedia Statistics).

Genesis 10: 1-3
10:1 Now these [are] the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem (from which ALL Semites are descended), Ham, and Japheth: and unto them were sons born after the flood.
10:2 The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and Magog, and Madai, and Javan, and Tubal, and Meshech, and Tiras.
10:3 And the sons of Gomer; Ashkenaz, and Riphath, and Togarmah.

https://i0.wp.com/gibraltar-messenger.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Ashkenazi-Are-Japhethites-Family-Tree.png?resize=1024%2C605&ssl=1

As can clearly be seen from the passage above, the Ashkenazis are descended from JAPHETH through his son Gomer, NOT from Shem/Sem, from whom all Semites originate.

This is exactly why Christ referred to these people in the following way in Revelation 2 and 3:

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are NOT, but do LIE; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

Sharing this truth, all of which is straight out of the Bible, is NOT hateful, nor should anyone be offended by it. This is meant as a warning from Christ, which should help everyone better understand what is actually going on today in both the state of Israel in the Middle East and in Ukraine (the Khazarian/Ashkenazi homeland).

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