Would someone still be saved if they didnt believe this..?

[Marathoner]

23 minutes ago, other one said:

I don't make an issue of it.    That is what I am saying, I say as Romans expresses we must confess with our mouth that Jesus us Lord.   And either he is our Lord or we are liars and liars don't spend eternity with the Lord.

You can call it whatever you want, but if Jesus is not your Lord, you are not saved. Don't get all mixed up in what the word believe means without understanding all about the greek words it comes from.   If one does not have faith in Jesus how could he be our Lord.    If he is not your Lord how can you say you have faith.

Besides that, if Jesus is your Lord, you are going to have works.  It is the natural result of being saved so to speak.

Anyway I know and have known many people who are afraid of hell and are trying to avoid it and struggle with sin all their lives.  Not so much for me.   When Jesus is your Lord, you pretty much shed all fear.  No matter what, we will be with him in our new place that he's gone off to build for us.

As I said, he's not a fire insurance policy.  He's my Lord, my brother and my friend.  I have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe......   and it's awesome.

Well said, brother. I did not come to Christ out of the fear of the wrath to come; I came to Him because He called me, and He is wonderful beyond words. It is both an honor and a privilege to submit myself to the Lord. As our brother @Vine Abider wrote about in his recent topic, our "status" is all about our relationship with the Son of God. To know Him is to love Him... to love Him is to submit ourselves to Him... and everything else comes while we are disciplined and mature in faith. 

That's where we begin. It's worth noting that the Almighty is not looking for those who wish to grovel before His throne. God cherishes any freewill offering made in faith, and we have nothing to fear in Jesus Christ. 

Edited February 22 by Marathoner

[FreeGrace]

45 minutes ago, other one said:

FreeGrace said:

OK, so you don't tell others that unbelief results in hell for eternity??

It has everything to do with everyone.  Because of Adam's sin, per Romans 5, everyone  is born headed for hell.  

I don't make an issue of it.

Well, the Greek 'sozo', meaning saved, delivered and rescued, is THE sole issue in salvation.  

45 minutes ago, other one said:

    That is what I am saying, I say as Romans expresses we must confess with our mouth that Jesus us Lord.

That isn't the gospel message.  

Rom 10:9 - because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Paul more often used the word "justified" to refer to getting saved in Romans.

v.10 - For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

The red words refer to salvation, and the blue words refer to deliverance from various dangers in our lives.  Those who confess the Lord will be blessed and saved from temporal dangers.  

45 minutes ago, other one said:

   And either he is our Lord or we are liars and liars don't spend eternity with the Lord.

Certainly not the gospel.  When a believer sins, they are NOT making Christ their Lord.  To make Him Lord means to be faithful to Him, obedient to His commands.  And all believers still sin.  Peter's comment in 1 Pet 3:15 proves that there is no such thing as "Lordship salvation" which is a popular but unbiblical theology per MacArthur.

Peter actually denied the Lord 3 times in one night.  Did he lose his salvation.  Absolutely not.  Or Jesus' words are untrue in John 5:24 with 10:28.

45 minutes ago, other one said:

You can call it whatever you want, but if Jesus is not your Lord, you are not saved.

Jesus is NOT a believer's Lord WHEN they sin.  They are NOT being faithful or obedient, and therefore they are not recognizing Him as Lord.

Of course Jesus Christ IS THE Lord over every believer.  But Peter commands believers to "make Him Lord".  That specifically is a command to be obedient and faithful to Him.  So when believers sin, they are FAILING to do that.  And yet they are still saved.

45 minutes ago, other one said:

Don't get all mixed up in what the word believe means without understanding all about the greek words it comes from. 

Please do not worry about that.  I am absolutely aware of what the word means.  And it has NOTHING to do with obedience.  It has everything to do with trust.

45 minutes ago, other one said:

  If one does not have faith in Jesus how could he be our Lord.    If he is not your Lord how can you say you have faith.

Maybe you aren't aware of the the phrase "our Savior and Lord", or "our Lord and Savior".  That's 2 issues.  One is salvation and the other is obedience.

Adding obedience to getting saved is nothing other than a works based salvation, which does NOT save/justify.

45 minutes ago, other one said:

Besides that, if Jesus is your Lord, you are going to have works.  It is the natural result of being saved so to speak.

If that were the 'natural result', then there would be no need for any commands to be obedient or faithful.  There are no verses that teach that salvation results in works.  In fact, there are many commands for believers to be faithful/obedient.

45 minutes ago, other one said:

As I said, he's not a fire insurance policy.  He's my Lord, my brother and my friend.  I have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe......   and it's awesome.

Salvation is awesome!  Of course.  But the NT is full of commands to be faithful/obedient and this can't be denied or ignored, and refutes your view.

In fact, the doctrine of election is about service.  All believers have been chosen to serve our Savior.  

[Tristen]

On 2/18/2025 at 1:29 AM, Figure of eighty said:

Alot of christians dont believe in hell bc they feel its too mean or cruel of a punishment some dont believe in tongues or the holy spirit either. If they follow God and his commands and believe in hi m would they still go to heaven.?

My take is that, once a person sincerely gives ownership of their life to Christ as a faith response to His Gospel, they are saved.

Such a person could theoretically be wrong about any other doctrine. The indwelling Holy Spirit will subsequently correct anything that He deems needs correcting.

 

[other one]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

That isn't the gospel message.

I truly disagree.

[other one]

5 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

confesses Jesus is our Lord.   Yep, that what it takes to be saved.   What I've been saying all along.

[Marilyn C]

On 2/18/2025 at 2:29 AM, Figure of eighty said:

Alot of christians dont believe in hell bc they feel its too mean or cruel of a punishment some dont believe in tongues or the holy spirit either. If they follow God and his commands and believe in hi m would they still go to heaven.?

Details of God`s purposes come a bit at a time. `Saved,` from judgment is because of Christ`s sacrifice. `Belief in Hell` is only one of the many differences believers have. 

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, other one said:

FreeGrace said:

That isn't the gospel message.

I truly disagree.

And that is fine.  We each have to make our own views.  I am a dedicated Berean.

[FreeGrace]

8 hours ago, other one said:

FreeGrace said:

For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

confesses Jesus is our Lord.   Yep, that what it takes to be saved.   What I've been saying all along.

Well, either you didn't read my explanation of the verse, which was color coded for easy following, or you didn't understand it.

Paul used the word "justified" to indicate the saved state of people, and he used "saved" in the temporal sense of being delivered or rescued from troubles, etc in this life.  And rom 10:10 perfectly illustrates that.  

Belief is the WAY to be justified.

Confessing Jesus as Lord is the WAY to be delivered/rescued from God's hand of discipline, which is painful, per Heb 12:11.

[other one]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

Well, either you didn't read my explanation of the verse, which was color coded for easy following, or you didn't understand it.

No, I didn't agree with it.

[other one]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

And that is fine.  We each have to make our own views.  I am a dedicated Berean.

And I'm a born again Christian with a close relationship with Jesus through the Holy Spirit.