RFID.

[other one]

well the just blows not to mention veary depressing for me.

The reasion being is that I like to travel to other countries whenever i can aford to, and to do so for at least some countrys a pass port is nessacery to enter the country not to mention the fact that i missplaced mine sometime agaio and can't seem to find it and if i can't that means I will have to get a new one issued soon.

Pluse there goes the price of the freekin things. it was ten dollars where i live it will probly be closer to a hundred after this.

KNIGHT, Each time one uses the technologys that are out there to make positive I.D., or prevent I.D. theft ( cooough) then one warms them self to these things.

I quit my job. I refuse to get a "national Federal I.D. card". required of people who work in Federal positions, and or "classified", jobs. I was earning $60,000, annually. I am now a welfare recipiant. TWO years now. I will probably not renew my driver licence. It too is going R.F.I.D.

Now if asked to get the "mark" what do you suppose my answer will be?

Now those who exposed themself to the point of the "mark". What do you realisticly beleive they will say?

You are conditioning yourself for trouble.

I really never thought I would see the day of the "Mark".

I may of been seiously wrong.

I believe you can hurry and get a non R.F.I.D. passport, if you get busy. I got mine last year because I knew this was coming. Pay an extra $100 and you can get it in 10 days. I did. Total cost was $190. Plus some misc.

All this I.D. theft ( happens to less than 1% of the population, hmmmmm ) terrorism, is a lot of bla, bla, to get the masses scared. Once scared they submitt.

Very effective, very effective.

Effective against those who trust in man.

And I rest my case of where all this mark talk brings people to. Until things get into place to force us to worship the beast there is no reason to mess up your life over identity. Jesus tells us in Revelation that those who are rooted in Him and are in the book of life will not be fooled by the beast into taking the mark.

08And all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyonewhose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. 9If anyone has an ear, let him hear. 10If anyone is destinedfor captivity, to captivity he goes; if anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and the faith of the saints.

NASB

[Keith]

I quit my job. I refuse to get a "national Federal I.D. card". required of people who work in Federal positions, and or "classified", jobs. I was earning $60,000, annually. I am now a welfare recipiant. TWO years now.

So, you're being supported by taxpayers because you refuse to work a federal job? Oh, yeah, there's what every Christian should do! Have you thought about getting a NON-federal job and supporting yourself because taxpayers shouldn't have to support you in your paranoia. You really have carried things overboard. The Bible says that we should continue living our lives as usual. You have uprooted yours and caused others to pay for it because you are paranoid of something that's going to happen in the future.

And, for the record, I am a Federal Employee who is a born-again Christian. My daily walk with the Lord is intimate. I hear His voice and know His will for me. His presence surrounds me and He makes Himself known to me. He's more real to me than you or anyone on Worthy. I'm not "bragging", I'm just telling you that by having a Federal ID, you are not risking anything and you are NOT being conditioned to take the mark. Do you want to know the way to not take the mark? Stay close with Jesus. Have a REAL and intimate relationship with Him. Stay in His Word. Say what He says and do what He leads you to do. You are looking at this from a worldly perspective and have completely trusted YOURSELF in this matter. You aren't trusting your relationship with God to keep you on the right path.

Where in the Word can you provide support for what you are doing?

[BlindSeeker]

. . . Until things get into place to force us to worship the beast there is no reason to mess up your life over identity. Jesus tells us in Revelation that those who are rooted in Him and are in the book of life will not be fooled by the beast into taking the mark.

The concept of

[jamie]

I would guess that if 'the mark' is a micro chip then it will have to be a paticular kind of micro chip that would be universal, and it would cause a person not to be able to function in the worlds system or commerce without it.

I think what we see with the banking, medical...etc. micro chips are that they are there to desensitize us for something much bigger down the road. Once people get used to the idea and accept a chip in order to bank or whatever, then they will be ready to accept the biggie.

It will have to come in an attractive package for a (practical purpose) with a pretty bow on top first.

[Keith]

While the mark of the beast is not something we shouldn't not be aware of, it is certainly nothing to fear. I have seen a lot of brothers and sisters in fear over this and that shouldn't be the case.

I firmly, fully, 1000% believe that today's advancing technology will lead to the real mark of the beast that is coming. It is NOT here yet. I don't like the RFID but I am not afraid of it either. It is NOT the mark of the beast. Participating in hand or finger scans is NOT participating in the mark of the beast. Our pets are NOT being given the mark of the beast because they have a microchip inserted in them. These are simply signs that Jesus is coming soon and that the time for mark of the beast is advancing.

You can NOT accidentally take the mark of the beast. You can NOT be tricked into it. You can NOT take it early and unknowingly. When the time for the mark of the beast comes, if you are here, you will know it full well and will be given the choice to take it or not be able to function in the marketplace. Later on, you will be given the choice to accept the mark of the beast or die for your refusal. But it will be a choice. This is the whole reason for this period in time. God will NOT allow the antichrist, or his followers, to just grab someone, hold them down and force the mark on them. The whole reason for this is that people must make their own choice as to whom they will serve.

Don't get worked-up and fearful over the things that are happening. They must happen!

Matthew 24:5-9 "For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me."

Mark 13:6-10 "Many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and will deceive many. When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains. "You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. And the gospel must first be preached to all nations."

Luke 21:8,9 "He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them. When you hear of wars and revolutions, do not be frightened. These things must happen first, but the end will not come right away."

My point here is not to get you to believe the way I do. If nothing else, I would hope that we can all agree that we are not to be frightened or alarmed. That much is very clear. You have a relationship with the Son of God! Know that He is in full control and will watch over you!

[Avidan]

I quit my job. I refuse to get a "national Federal I.D. card". required of people who work in Federal positions, and or "classified", jobs. I was earning $60,000, annually. I am now a welfare recipiant. TWO years now.

So, you're being supported by taxpayers because you refuse to work a federal job? Oh, yeah, there's what every Christian should do! Have you thought about getting a NON-federal job and supporting yourself because taxpayers shouldn't have to support you in your paranoia. You really have carried things overboard. The Bible says that we should continue living our lives as usual. You have uprooted yours and caused others to pay for it because you are paranoid of something that's going to happen in the future.

And, for the record, I am a Federal Employee who is a born-again Christian. My daily walk with the Lord is intimate. I hear His voice and know His will for me. His presence surrounds me and He makes Himself known to me. He's more real to me than you or anyone on Worthy. I'm not "bragging", I'm just telling you that by having a Federal ID, you are not risking anything and you are NOT being conditioned to take the mark. Do you want to know the way to not take the mark? Stay close with Jesus. Have a REAL and intimate relationship with Him. Stay in His Word. Say what He says and do what He leads you to do. You are looking at this from a worldly perspective and have completely trusted YOURSELF in this matter. You aren't trusting your relationship with God to keep you on the right path.

Where in the Word can you provide support for what you are doing?

Romans 1:17,

Edited November 27, 2005 by Avidan

[other one]

I think I'm just speechless. The Lord will not let me type what is in my heart.......

[Avidan]

Otherone, give it your best shot.

[other one]

Avidan, I've been an intercessory prayer warrior for many years...... the Spirit occasionally even wakes me up at night to pray for people I may never even know about. When I say that the Lord will not let me say what is in my heart, it is most likely not in my best interest or He would not get in the way. Many years ago I learned what the word "no" means, and I don't mean the one from my mother when I was about two years old, and the lesson was deeply learned.

When god says no..... I listen.

Sam

[Avidan]

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quote name='other one' date='Nov 27 2005, 12:52 AM' post='477040]

Avidan, I've been an intercessory prayer warrior for many years...... the Spirit occasionally even wakes me up at night to pray for people I may never even know about. When I say that the Lord will not let me say what is in my heart, it is most likely not in my best interest or He would not get in the way. Many years ago I learned what the word "no" means, and I don't mean the one from my mother when I was about two years old, and the lesson was deeply learned.

When god says no..... I listen.

Sam

Edited November 27, 2005 by Avidan