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8 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I have never heard an adequate explanation of why there is no chance of Salvation for those with the mark and removing it.

I can spot you that:

2Th 2:9-12  The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,  (10)  and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.  (11)  And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,  (12)  that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
 

And one of your previous threads speaks to it:

 

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Greetings @Dennis1209...

I would like to comment and share a thought or two...

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

No one knows with absolute certainty what the M.O.B. will be, but we can make educated guesses based on scripture. The closer we get to the time, the better our understanding.

Interesting that someone with the Holy Spirit indwelling...would say something like this? This just doesn’t seem right Dennis...to say “No one knows with absolute certainty what the M.O.B. will be” is troublesome on two fronts.

One...you make it sound like the Lord has not made it known to those to whom He chooses. Two...for those who do actually know what and when the “MOTB” is...you may be in danger of excluding them from being able to reveal it to you...via your "spoken" unbelief?

Additionally...”but we can make educated guesses based on scripture.” This is never how scripture is revealed nor is it how it is interpreted? The failed and faithless reasoning of men can never produce the revelation required to know and understand what is in the mind of the Lord for oneself...let alone the knowledge and understanding of how the eschaton will rollout.

9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I have never heard an adequate explanation of why there is no chance of Salvation for those with the mark and removing it.

May I suggest that they...“do not know”...they are marked by the dragon? Nor can they be told differently? This is the fruit of satanic deception...right?

Tatwo...:)

 


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9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I surmise this mark is physical, allowing the individual to plug into and be a part of the system; otherwise, they cannot participate in any commerce or services (buy, sell, mortgages, loans, banking, pay taxes, hospital, etc.).

Well...the “economy” of which you speak here Dennis...as you rightly say...is the economy of the “beast system.” For those who are the “earth dwellers”...in other words people dependent upon the beast for their sustenance...which they are because, they literally have no other option. This is extremely unfortunate because the devil is a liar and a deceiver...the dragon is never benevolent...”kill, steal and destroy.”

It is not the same for those who are on the earth...but are considered “heaven dwellers”...those “in Christ” who are seated in the heavenlies...no. The Kingdom of God has its own government, its own administration and its own economy...and it’s abundant at that. Paul says in Ephesians 1 in reference to the Father speaking of the Body...”who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ.”

So for those who have been sealed with the Holy Spirit and have had the name of the Lord and His Father written upon their “foreheads”...the “dragons economy” simply will not suffice...in fact we won’t require anything of it...though we will be in proximity to it.

For those who feel that the “sons of God” are not going to be fully cared for and more...fully empowered to deal with the “birth pangs” and any of the tribulation that has never before been...I say...oh ye of little faith. Look again...we are involved in the dispensing of the judgment of God...for all judgment has been give to the “Son”...Christ...with Yahshua as His head and those "in Christ" the Body...can appropriately be explained as "the Son of God"...He is eternal, He has every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places...He is upon the throne of God...what could possibly threaten Him? Certainly nothing in creation.

“For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son” John 5:22 NASB 

Do not be deceived.

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9 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

The Book of Revelation implies that the M.O.B. is administered quickly, like the initial COVID-19 jab, in a year. Our little town was in traffic gridlock (slight panic) for a few days, with cars blocking traffic for hospital drive-through COVID-19 jabs. Imagine the rush and competition with the scenario outlined above.

“Administered quickly”...consider this Dennis...the condition in which one is born from their biological mother...is in sin. At that point you are “separated from God”...hence the need for “salvation.” For those who “are not born again”...their fate is the condemnation of the devil because they cannot live in a way that will please God. Sort of a mark wouldn’t you say...I see it every day. Allow me to lay something out here...thank you.

The “dragon’s beast” is controlled by the dragon who is an “evil spirit”...who then rules over other ranking “evil spirits” in their echelon. And from a “spiritual standpoint” these are “the rulers, powers and spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places” they are invisible to the human eye. The beast by nature and character is a “spiritual creature” who will ultimately be in complete control of all the “physical temporal systems” [7] that humans depend upon for life.

This control then is playing out on earth...via demonically enslaved evil human beings in service to Satan’s beast...while being completely under the influence of these evil demonic creatures via deception. This is where we see Paul’s idea of “the world forces of this darkness” get its definition...as the “world forces” is likely a reference to demonically inspired humans.

My point...the dragon is an “invisible spiritual reality” and by extension via its beast...gains control of “all the kingdoms of the world.” Its control is gained through “spiritual deception”...this deception in regards to mankind happens in the “soulish mind” of humans...[think Eve]. “Your fine you won’t die...in fact you will become like God”...deception leading to rebellion and disobedience...leading to “death” known as “separation from God”...separated from God.

Here’s how it works...for the carnal or spiritually unjustified...aka....the “worldly”...there is no chance of them...in that condition...of ever accurately discerning the delusion they are under. Thus they will go along as the slaves and orphans that they are...with what their god...the dragon “forces” them to do via its beast...and this...in utter disobedience and rebellion towards God...for this they will share in the condemnation of the devil.

For the falsely religious...you have the apostasy...the falling away...this is a separating of the “false church” and the “Body of Christ.” The false church is deceived and worshipping a false god thinking that they are worshipping the Lord Yahshua...hence they too...are deceived in their “soulish minds.”

In this state of apathy...they too are guilty of rebellion and disobedience toward God. In both cases...the “worldly and falsely religious” it’s their “deceived mindset”...in other words “how they think...their thought life” that is then “lived out...as their lives.” That is what will cause them to have to face the judgment of their rebellion and disobedience...as they are also “separated from God.”

This deception is a...“mind set”...that the “deceived”...[worldly/religious]...live and operate by...typically having little or no thought of any type of “spiritual deception” taking place. It is the “evil thoughts” that guide “actions”...that “separate one from God.”

This concept also applies to those who have been “sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads” and those “having His name and the name of His Father written on their foreheads.” Foreheads...this is once again referencing ones “thoughts” or a "mindset” that has been renewed and transformed from the "world" to the "Kingdom of God."

Paul talks in 2nd Corinthians 1 about God “sealing us by giving us the Holy Spirit as a pledge” and then in Ephesians 1...that we are “sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is given as a pledge of our inheritance.” Sealed in their “thinking and subsequent actions” so that in their direct relationship to the Lord they can grow and mature in their lifestyle of worship of Christ...obedient and faithful in their “divine calling”...which is pleasing and acceptable to God...as they...live eternally in Christ.

These are the ones with the name of the Lord Yahshua and His Father written upon their forehead...this is a “mindset” that produces a life and lifestyle that is pleasing to God. This is a picture of the “Body of Christ” in which the Holy Spirit of the living God and Father of creation abides.

Those with the “mindset of rebellion and disobedience” towards God [worship of the beast] are separated from God. Those with the “mindset” of obedience and acceptable worship and sacrifice to the Lord Yahshua Christ...are established in Christ...as opposed to those separated from Christ.

So...where one’s “mindset” is “spiritually”...will determine their “lifestyle” i.e. how they live...whether disobedience and sin unto separation from God...or faith and obedience unto eternal life in Christ. In both cases...there is a "mark" involved...one unto death and one unto life as can be seen by how one lives.

Tatwo...:)

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4 hours ago, 1to3 said:

The enemy it out there everyday trying to steal, kill and destroy Gods creation.

So very true.  Yet many are falling prey to the wiles of the devil.  To quote Dr. Vance Havner: "The devil is not fighting religion. He's too smart for that. He is producing a counterfeit Christianity, so much like the real one that good Christians are afraid to speak out against it."

In a little while, at God's appointed time, in the end many professing to "believe" in Christ will be worshipping antichrist because they were led by a blind preacher.  

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4 hours ago, 1to3 said:

I have listened to this man and his parents and family talk in several video interviews.

They are not a christian.

This should answer your question.

You cannot serve two masters...

Greetings @1to3...

Just wanted to say that this post was a fantastic display of Holy Spirit inspired Word of God. It so convicted me...you said... "Already many claiming to be "christian" seem to fall easily for secular things and think its ok to incorporate them into their mind set without realizing the moral implications of their actions. This slowly numbs their conscious especially if not examined personally and repented from, and closes off the gift of Gods Mercy and Grace and to be able to access communion with the Holy Spirit of God who IS our guide, protector, healer."  So well said...very powerful...thank you.

4 hours ago, 1to3 said:

The modifications are happening right now, before our eyes, and some think its great and are falling for these subtle modifications

The more we easily give into to these modifications, the more we become modified, no longer being a creation of God in purity and Truth but having allowed ourselves to fall for the lures of the counterfeiter, becoming modified. And one day becoming modified to the point of no longer being recognizable to God, no longer being made in the TRUE image of God but rather becoming modified and a prey of the enemy, who bought them by his counterfeit lures and succeed to steal kill and destroy them, who wilfully fell for the modifications ( thinking how great and profitable they were). Thinking they were wise became fools

Again...your message is very clear and correct...it's judgment friend...are you a prophet by chance you can PM me if I have made you uncomfortable with that question?

You said..."The modifications are happening right now, before our eyes, and some think its great and are falling for these subtle modifications"...So true bro/sis...so true. And if one were to try to reveal in detail some of these modifications...there are a couple of "mine fields" that one must walk through.

First...one must be very careful not to make things worse by calling out the certain individuals that are fully engaged in these "subtle modifications." If it were not for creativity and love...one could be castigated for revealing that which is true in these scenarios. 

So...in a very real sense...there is a sizeable constituency that does not want to hear things they do not understand or agree with...and there may be very little chance of open dialogue and constructive conversation with them.

Secondly...what is happening right before our eyes...as you suggest...looks like "one thing" and in all actuality is nothing more that a "distraction" away from what is really happening. In my experience...many do not want to hear what is actually happening so they in fact cannot. This will not ultimately go well for the distracted and deceived.

However...there are those of us who are in fact spiritually and perhaps physically preparing for what is soon to be revealed as a "New Way"...we are poised with the Love in which we were loved and will do all we can to assist brothers and sisters who did not prepare because they chose "flesh" over "Spirit." 

Thank you 1to3

Tatwo...:) 


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Thought this article was timely considering the discussion.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/human-body-replacementsscientific-miracle-or-biblical-prophecy

Human Body Replacements—Scientific Miracle or Biblical Prophecy
Posted by Steve Eichler on March 28, 2025 at 7:47pm


In a world that is constantly seeking new ideas, science walks a strange and interesting line that makes it difficult to tell the difference between truth and lies. A new report from the MIT Review talks about advances in biotechnology that make the idea of making human bodyoids more appealing. These are fake, soulless human bodies that could be used for medical research, organ harvesting, or even meat. There are people who see these changes as signs of progress, but they also sound a lot like a prophecy from the Bible.
This breakthrough is old news for those who have studied the Bible but terrifying news for those who have called the Bible a fable! Revelation 13:14-15 (KJV) paints a haunting picture: "And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles... saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast... And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak..."
These verses have been a mystery for a long time and have been interpreted in many ways. They discuss a time when people make an "image" of a man who is alive and can speak. In the context of bodyoids, what was once considered symbolic now appears startlingly literal.
Is science simply G*d’s unwilling servant? Today, researchers have begun creating synthetic human embryos using stem cells—no sperm, no egg, and no womb. Researchers are engineering these bodyoids to lack neural development, which renders them non-sentient. They cannot think, feel, or suffer.
On paper, the concept sounds like a scientific dream: a limitless source of organs, tissues, and body parts grown without pain or awareness. We could eliminate organ shortages in the future. Each patient could receive customized drug testing. Eliminating animal suffering in labs might be possible. The bodyoid revolution could solve some of the deepest medical and ethical problems we face today.
But the Bible says that in the last days, miracles that look good, right, and even life-saving will trick people and prepare the way for destruction. 

The Book of Revelation says the beast will not only be wounded and miraculously healed, but that an image of him will be made and given breath. It will speak, and it will demand worship!
Revelation 17:8 (KJV) adds an ominous dimension: "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit... and yet is." It appears this means existed, was dead, and then was brought back to life again, but when it came back to life, something more was added! Perhaps it wasn't made of flesh and blood, but rather something synthetic. Something made. Something the laboratory created.
Currently, bodyoids are thought of as mindless biological shells, but future versions could change the very idea of what life is. With the development of artificial wombs and the rapid advancement of AI, is it possible that a bodyoid could one day possess not only biological animation but also intelligence? Could we give an "image" the ability to speak, think, and act, as Revelation predicts?
Already, scientists have begun experimenting with inserting synthetic embryos into primates. Scientists are testing artificial wombs. And AI systems are becoming indistinguishable from human cognition in specific domains. If you combine these technologies, the result is no longer a lifeless shell; it becomes a living, breathing replica of man. The result is an image of a human being devoid of a soul.
In other words, Adam became a living soul when G*d breathed the "breath of lives" into him, but the synthetic man lacks this breath and is therefore a beast rather than a man!
Will this “image of the beast” be a cloned bodyoid, animated by artificial intelligence and accepted as superior to the original human form? Will it offer healing, intelligence, or even miracles and, in doing so, deceive the world? If these scientific breakthroughs are actually a fulfillment of scripture, then those that are wise already know the future!
Science has consistently navigated the delicate balance between advancement and danger. The development of bodyoids is no different. The ethical questions are daunting:
If a bodyoid looks human, do we treat it as one?
Does it have rights? Is it alive?
And if we give it a mind, artificial or otherwise, does it possess a soul?
There is a risk that in our desperation to cure disease, eliminate suffering, and transcend mortality, we may stumble headlong into the very trap prophesied in Scripture. A world where the line between man and machine, creator and created, is not only blurred but erased.
Is the stage being set for the ultimate breakthrough, ‘The Man Of Sin’? Revelation does not merely predict a moment of judgment; it outlines a progression. A deception. Miracles and solutions lull the world into comfort. The present is a time when humanity, seeking healing and advancement, creates an image and gives it life.
This creature, despite being synthetic, possesses new tissue, a new brain, and a will, unlike a Frankenstein monster made of reanimated tissue.
It is important to remember the term "synthetic," derived from the Greek word "synthesis" (σύνθεσις), which translates to "a putting together." syn- (σύν) = "together" -thesis (θέσις) = "placing." This Greek word refers to the act of joining together. Put this translation together, and what do you come up with: He had power to give life unto the image of the beast." The word human does not appear.
Whether one believes in Bible prophecy or not, it’s undeniable that we are entering a new phase of human history. Now we have the tools to make human-style life in a lab, change it however we want, and maybe even give it artificial minds.
We are not merely approaching the future. We are fulfilling ancient prophecy.
Science has brought us to the edge of a precipice where what was once biblical metaphor is becoming literal technology. Human bodyoids may offer healing, hope, and breakthroughs, but we must also recognize the darker implications. Could these “images” be the beginning of the beast’s system? Will humanity, in its search for immortality, create its own false savior?
As the world marvels at the miracles of modern science, let us not forget: the Bible warned us that such miracles would come, not to save, but to deceive. “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
Final Word: Are we dealing with the Man of Sin or the Man of Syn (thetic)?

 

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48 minutes ago, chirpy said:

Revelation 17:8 (KJV) adds an ominous dimension: "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit... and yet is." It appears this means existed, was dead, and then was brought back to life again, but when it came back to life, something more was added! Perhaps it wasn't made of flesh and blood, but rather something synthetic. Something made. Something the laboratory created.

In this scenario there is a need for some conjecture regarding the manifestation and location of the abyss, to bring it up to a higher standard of plausibility.


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3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

In this scenario there is a need for some conjecture regarding the manifestation and location of the abyss, to bring it up to a higher standard of plausibility.

Perhaps under the weight of an ocean in a very deep trench unexplorable.

 

Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?

Job 38:16

 

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2 hours ago, D. Adrien said:

Perhaps under the weight of an ocean in a very deep trench unexplorable.

 

Have you entered into the springs of the sea,
or walked in the recesses of the deep?

Job 38:16

 

I like to think of it (the abyss) as a "Theographical" rather than "Geographical" location. An abstract place from which evil and wickedness manifests, where demons are held, or released according to spiritual paradigms.

Luk 8:29-31  For Jesus was commanding the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For the unclean spirit had often seized the man. He was kept under guard, and bound with chains and fetters. Breaking the bonds apart, he was driven by the demon into the desert.  (30)  Jesus asked him, “What is your name?” He said, “Legion,” for many demons had entered into him.  (31)  They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.

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