Could AI be a key factor with the Beast in Rev 13:15?

[Dennis1209]

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

I like to give the historical fulfillment of this passage whenever it crops up, not that drawing analogies from it is wrong, but the gist of it is there is a false security that supposes escape from Divine Judgment is possible through political alliances, as though a covenant with death and hell has been made so that neither will result when God overrules human contrivances.

Isaiah 28:15 refers to a moment when the leaders of Jerusalem claimed, “We have made a covenant with death, and with Sheol we are in agreement,” believing they could avoid judgment through political alliances or deceptive strategies. Historically, this is widely understood as a rebuke of Judah’s leaders—likely during the time leading up to the Assyrian threat in the 8th century BC.

Many scholars connect this verse to Judah’s alliance with Egypt, which they hoped would protect them from Assyria. Isaiah saw this as a false security—a “refuge of lies”—because they were trusting in human schemes rather than in God. The “overflowing scourge” likely symbolizes the Assyrian invasion, which Isaiah warned would not spare them despite their supposed deal with death.

It’s a powerful example of prophetic irony: the people thought they were safe, but their confidence was built on deception. The verse also has layers of meaning that some interpret as foreshadowing spiritual truths about judgment and salvation.

 

The pericope of Isaiah 28:15 could be, “They made their bed, now they will have to lie in it,” or God’s cornerstone rejected by Judah’s leaders.

Interpretation of Isaiah 28:15 is all over the place, with both historical and modern-day scholars and theologians. As you mentioned, most commentaries connect it with history, specifically an alliance and broken agreement for protection, where Egypt failed to come to Judah’s aid as promised. However, I hold the minority view, which is connected to Daniel 9:27 and is yet to be fulfilled, a shadow and dual prophecy.

If my view is somewhat accurate, it has particular prophetic relevance for today, given the recent and escalating events since October 7, 2023. Israel has yet to call upon the name of the Lord for deliverance and protection.

Today, Israel is isolated and surrounded by an inner and outer ring of hostile nations (a cup of trembling) hell-bent on her annihilation, to remember Israel no more with a fragile peace treaty with Egypt and Jordan that could collapse on a dime. Israel is not dependent on the Lord but the US for the Iron Dome, technology, military equipment, manufacturing, weapons, assistance, and support. In a sense, we are the historical Egypt.

I suspect the event that transpired yesterday will unleash and lead to unfulfilled prophetic events in the not-too-distant future. There is an intriguing prophecy in Jeremiah 49 about Elam, which, although not yet historically fulfilled, foretells a humanitarian crisis that evokes images of radioactive fallout. Elam today encompasses 1/6 of S.W. Iran, enclosed by a mountain range.

I am surprised that in yesterday’s attack, Iran’s Bushehr nuclear facility was not targeted, and it may be a part of future attacks as promised with bunker-buster weaponry. That area is also the most active and hazardous seismic zone on the planet.

Zechariah 12:3 (KJV) And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. Ezekiel 38:15-16 (KJV) And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army: ¹⁶ And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.

All means all, including the US. If we suppose we still exist. Trump, an ardent supporter and friend of Israel, is the most hated and despised president in the US. History. They are doing everything possible to remove him from office via impeachment or a body bag. Nonetheless, God’s plan and will will be realized according to His perfect timing.

Regardless of prophetic exegesis and timing, I think we can agree that strategic alliances, pacts, geopolitical alignments, and events have unfolded on the pages of God’s word, both before and after May 14, 1948. Because of the Abraham Accords, we can even see why Saudi Arabia, UAE, and perhaps Kuwait are bystanders in the Gog-Magog invasion and question the invasion.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, tatwo said:

Greeting Brothers and Sisters on the forums...! Today...we shall overcome.

Given the somewhat "emergent nature" of this discussion? One might come to the conclusion that there is a certain amount of “spiritual instability” in maintaining a position of “the beast is yet future.”

At this point...entertaining any “suspicion” that the “beast” may be here today...or in the past...would seemingly compel those who love the Truth...to a deeper dive into this reality with the “living Word” as a light to our path way.

Please remember the descriptions that Daniel and John respectively gave of the beast they saw? It is the same beast...seen about 600 years apart...there are changes in the descriptions...all the changes indicate an entity that is growing in size and power along with the scope of that which it controls. Perhaps you might refresh yourself...?

“After this I kept looking in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast, dreadful and terrifying and extremely strong; and it had large iron teeth. It devoured and crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet; and it was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns. "While I was contemplating the horns, behold, another horn, a little one, came up among them, and three of the first horns were pulled out by the roots before it; and behold, this horn possessed eyes like the eyes of a man and a mouth uttering great boasts.” Daniel 7:7-8 NASB

“And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore. Then I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names. And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and his feet were like those of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority. I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?" There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven. It was also given to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them, and authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him. All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.” Revelation 13:1-8 NASB

@Dennis1209, and @Vine Abider...if what you are “intimating” which is the possibility of the “beast systems” in play...today...that should inspire...specifically...the people of God to call it out as it is...right?

I am suggesting that the challenge for the “church” and the “world” is...that to a large degree most do not recognize the empire that is and has been emerging for centuries...today. So...they do not know what it is that they are looking at...it is so vastly different than any empire that preceded it...few have any basis for understanding it...right?

The Holy Spirit completely understands this beast...and the “Words” that He gave and gives us clearly illuminates His understanding...all we need is His mind...which we have. Remember that He can and does disturb false doctrines.

It was the glorious Lord of lord and King of kings...Yahshua the eternal...who is recorded as having said..."Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am He,' and, 'The time has drawn near.' Therefore do not go after them."

Tatwo...:)

I do not have any special prophetic insight. I examine today’s technology, which has never been seen, and apply it to how the “beast system” can be realized. To get the MOB requires allegiance and worship of the Beast, selling one's soul.

The “beast system” structure is in place and being implemented at present (i.e., Agenda 2030, a cashless society, etc.).

One brief example: How long ago was it that people wondered how the Two Witnesses could be viewed in real time globally, and send presents around the world rapidly, celebrating their demise? Today, that is a no-brainer: FedEx next-day or same-day delivery, billions of smartphones, live streaming, and more.

[Desopixi Seilynam]

I believe strongly that a.i. is indeed the life of the image of the beast.
The phones we all carry around and worship is the platform for the image.
Eventually the image will rise from them, and a.i. in them will know who watches and who does not, and will be able to send a signal out to kill those who don't watch.

 

[Dennis1209]

21 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

I believe strongly that a.i. is indeed the life of the image of the beast.
The phones we all carry around and worship is the platform for the image.
Eventually the image will rise from them, and a.i. in them will know who watches and who does not, and will be able to send a signal out to kill those who don't watch.

 

For brevity, I will not cite my examples and suspicions, but I believe our smartphones are listening to us, given the numerous coincidences that support this claim. AI is now creeping in and expanding in every aspect of our lives, including smart appliances and personal assistants. I do not doubt that AI will play a significant role in the end times.

Individual smartphones are a significant tool in solving crime, constantly tracking your every movement unless the power source is removed. Our government has acknowledged that falling behind in the advancement of AI technology is a primary national security concern.

I understand that AI is being consulted and experimented with in battlefield decisions, defense, and attacks, and it probably played a role in the bunker-buster attack in Iran.

I believe we witnessed a recent, primitive prelude to some technology that many have missed. How many high-ranking terrorist heads were taken off by Israel via smartphone?

Revelation 13:14 (KJV) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. [emphasis added]

It seems men and our technology create the image of the beast. Has anyone noticed the life-like images and voices popping up on YouTube and other places? The following public video is years old of primitive AI technology; imagine what DARPA programs have advanced to today:

We Talked To Sophia — The AI Robot That Once Said It Would 'Destroy Humans'

Could this man-made technological wonder of the image of the beast be a projection of holograms, AI, robotics, nanotechnology, and demonic possession? Who would have ever thunk of such a thing decades ago?

If the above does not raise our spidey senses and raise the hair on the back of the neck, look at the incredible advancements with robotic dogs, birds, and insects (mini drones) that could easily be adapted as assassins.

These things are no longer conspiracy theories or wild imagination; they are not coming; they are here now. This generation can now envision how the Two Witnesses and other prophetic events will be viewed in real-time with live streaming.

[NConly]

At this time it will only fool a few it needs lots of work. It may one day be the cats meow  but not soon. 

[tatwo]

On 6/22/2025 at 8:33 AM, Dennis1209 said:

I do not have any special prophetic insight.

Interesting...what would you call “your part” in that exchange with Michael37 concerning Isaiah 28:15? There seemed to me a “special” prophetic insight there?

I enjoyed the read...was somewhat impressed by the conversation on both of your parts...albeit a look at how God plans to use the dragon to judge the sinful rebellious world...fascinating. This seems to be a strong line of interest among Christians...God’s plans for Satan I mean? I see a lot of that in the forums and in my personal life as well.

Let me ask...when you say...“I do not have any special prophetic insight.” Are you referring to God’s plans in the New Covenant? The lord’s work with His family here in this age and moving forward?

In any case...do “you” think anyone “possess” any “special prophetic insight?” Specifically of say...the church age?

I examine today’s technology, which has never been seen, and apply it to how the “beast system” can be realized. To get the MOB requires allegiance and worship of the Beast, selling one's soul.

You say...“selling ones soul” the giving of “one’s mind – thoughts and thought life – life pursuit” over to the kingdom of and the god of this “world?” A complete giving of one’s entire existence to the devil in the way the “Sons of God” are completely given to Christ...is that what you mean...the motb?

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 6/22/2025 at 8:33 AM, Dennis1209 said:

The “beast system” structure is in place and being implemented at present (i.e., Agenda 2030, a cashless society, etc.).

I can see that Dennis...and I had been a part of its “construction and implementation” if you will...a work of which I ceased...at the Lord’s beckoning...but...I have been “closely monitoring it” as it comes forth...and this for 30 years.

However...I have learned that “modern advanced technology” is really only the “contemporary version” of the beast that has actually evolved from antiquity...and that it has continually evolved nearly uninterrupted throughout the epochs of creation...as the Lord has allowed.

I am amazed by the fact that so few believers actually realize this today...which is testimony to the dragon’s ability to conceal and counterfeit himself and his plans. Most of evangelical Christianity sees the beast and its mark as future and no one can tell them otherwise...not even the Holy Spirit or the scriptures He authored...that plainly declare such.

This however may be changing based upon this conversation in my eyes...can we humble ourselves before the Living Word and receive His prophetic light and revelation in and for this hour? 

It is just a matter of whether one decides to be spiritually prepared [obedient to their call] for this reality and watching it manifest openly as it will...being empowered to “deal with it”...or...whether one is spiritually seduced and deceived about its existence and its present manifestation.

That is an unpopular discussion among church goers and as a result not much is ever said about an “ancient or current dragon’s beast”...who has been here all along albeit continually growing in size and power.

Very few have seen it...of those who have...a large percentage of them do not recognize what they are beholding they have no basis of experience or knowledge by which to understand. This is because of what they are told...by those who have been deceived.

This precisely why the “motb” is so misunderstood...the spirit of the beast is the supreme deceiver. His ability to deceive mere carnal humanity both religious and worldly...is totally unimaginable.

So...for him to inspire a belief structure that completely “conceals” its identity and then totally “counterfeits” its function and existence...thereby hiding the “mark” that he marks his “victims” with...unbeknownst to them for the most part...which has worked for at least a couple millennia.

Think about it...a pseudo god beast...predatory in character and nature who feeds upon human souls since it was merely a “serpent” in the Garden. It is this one who is responsible for all sin and rebellion in the second heavens, on the earth and among humanity...against God.

This one successfully deceives the souls of mankind into believing it is something it is not... “Christ”...while at the same time concealing its true identity. For those who may actually “see it” most of them as I have said before...simply do not recognize and understand what they are “seeing” so they can do nothing with or about it. Then there are the “Prophetic Sons of God”...who are pointing it out to the house!

This is why the Lord Yahshua left us an important message... “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many” 

The “beast’s structure” is as you say Dennis...”in place.” This was done by the beast that is empowered by Satan the dragon...who is and has been operative on the earth since the Garden of Eden. His “mark” has been here since then as well...and for those who know this they can see it...the rest are just guessing.

I am open for discussion concerning the matter...with anyone...no need for fear.

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 6/22/2025 at 8:33 AM, Dennis1209 said:

One brief example: How long ago was it that people wondered how the Two Witnesses could be viewed in real time globally, and send presents around the world rapidly, celebrating their demise? Today, that is a no-brainer: FedEx next-day or same-day delivery, billions of smartphones, live streaming, and more.

This is going to leave a "mark"...pun intended...somewhat? We definitly would benefit in an upgrade of our understanding of Christ...perhaps this will assist some...?

Ok so I can see your point...based upon “your” depiction of the “Two Witnesses”...but...what if your idea of the Two Witnesses is incorrect?

It seems that many have either forgotten that when the Old Covenant was fulfilled in the Lord Yahshua Himself...or perhaps they simply never understood...that...the administration of God’s covenant specific to Israel ceased as well. I am referencing the “Levitical Priesthood”...which was made up of “men” of the tribe of Levi. Most folks can probably agree with that...but many may not understand the fact that with the change of the covenant...comes a change of the priesthood.

The administration of the New Covenant is also carried out by “priesthood”...an “eternal priesthood” which existed prior to the "Levitical priesthood" and to be a bit more specific...a priesthood known as the “order of Melchizedek.” Most have heard of it...but generally I think it means little to most...which is unfortunate. You’re probably thinking...”what does the priesthood have to do with the Two Witnesses?”

Well it is the characteristics of this priesthood after the order of Melchizedek that I would like to point you to. First we all realize that the Lord Yahshua Christ is known as the “King of kings”...secondly...not that there is a specific order or importance here but...we all also know that Yahshua is also the “High Priest Forever.”

If you are the “Eternal King of kings” who sits on the throne of God...you are “Royalty”...if that “Eternal King” who sits upon the throne of God is also the “Eternal High Priest” in the Kingdom God...you have is what is known as a “Royal Priesthood.” Yahshua Christ is the “Royal Priest” of the Kingdom of Heaven and of God on the earth thus fulfilling the New Covenant. Perhaps many have heard this...?

Now...Peter in his first letter chapter 2 describes the Lord as a “living stone”...and His Body as “living stones.” He goes on to say that we are a “spiritual house for a holy priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.” This is the “priesthood” that “administrates” the “New Covenant” in the Kingdom of God on earth...that I had mentioned earlier.

Then Peter goes on to say in reference to the Body of Christ...“But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.”

Have you seen the connection yet? Let me clear it up for you if possible...that statement in 2^nd Peter 9 where Peter wrote...“so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him...” is in reference to the “Holy Priesthood that offers up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God in Christ” this is the Body of Christ and it is them only...that proclaims the glory of God in the authority and power of the throne of God.

As I hope you can see...the “Body of Christ” which includes its “Head”...is also referenced by Peter as “A Royal Priesthood” and it is this “Royal Priesthood” that administers spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God...through Yahshua Christ in the New Covenant by His blood.

Because God has deemed their...“spiritual sacrifice” as “acceptable”...this in turn...authenticates, authorizes and empowers the “Body of Christ” aka “Royal Priesthood” aka a “Holy Spiritual Nation” to “proclaim the excellencies of Him[Christ]” which reveals the man in the image and likeness of God to creation on the earth.

Which “Man” is the Royal Priest...He is both [1] King of kings and [2] Eternal High Priest and these are the “Two Witnesses” Dennis. These are the two primary characteristics of Christ...the Son of the living God...and as such...they are the only ones “qualified” to carry the presence of the “Holy Spirit” in creation to “proclaim the excellencies of Him[Christ]” and they are qualified by the work of the Lord Yahshua Christ.

I know what this does to evangelical and mainstream doctrines concerning the eschaton...I mentioned that before many times. It will show them as the folly they have always been. Who said the “beast is yet future?” For those who struggle in receiving what I have laid out here...I understand that...it is very likely something you have never heard or if you have...maybe you do not believe...why? Though I have dug much deeper into these things than what is presented here...what I have presented...every bit of it is spiritually based scripturally founded.

And Christians like you Dennis...want to lay something like “One brief example: How long ago was it that people wondered how the Two Witnesses could be viewed in real time globally, and send presents around the world rapidly, celebrating their demise? Today, that is a no-brainer: FedEx next-day or same-day delivery, billions of smartphones, live streaming, and more.” Up against an eternal Truth that was established before creation even existed...revealed to Christ and is in the works today.

The two witnesses will be found in every tribe, tongue, people and nation...they are everywhere even today. Over the course of the last 2000 years...He...the corporate Christ...has been being raised up by the Lord Yahshua in the Kingdom of God...in the temple of God where the actual divine Spirit presence of the eternal God and Father of our Lord Yahshua Christ...eternally dwells and abides.

This Man...a “Spirit Man” when fully matured...which will be “soon” we are in that age now...will be revealed to a creation that is groaning for the revealing of the Sons of God. This is the many membered Corpus Christi who was sent to “reconcile man to God and destroy the works of the devil” who is...and will be all about doing His Father will and accomplishing His Fathers works.

This Man...the Eternal Holy Spirit empowered Son of God...”Christ”...which the Spirit has authorized through their obedience and acceptable sacrifice...will be used to bring judgment upon a sinful rebellious unbelieving world including the all the creatures in darkness.

Christ Head and Body is not leaving earth until the will of God is fulfilled...didn’t we see that modeled in the Lord Yahshua? At that time...the "Spirit and the Bride will say come Lord Yahshua."

Tatwo...:)

[Marathoner]

10 minutes ago, tatwo said:

His “mark” has been here since then as well...and for those who know this they can see it...the rest are just guessing.

I am open for discussion concerning the matter...with anyone...no need for fear.

Tatwo...:)

Exactly, brother. Not something reserved for the "future" by any means. It's been "now" for a very, very long time. 

[TheBlade]

On 6/18/2025 at 5:49 PM, Vine Abider said:

For decades, many have thought that some kind of super computer would be used by antichrist to subjugate humans.  Now, with the rapidly increasing capabilities of AI, this would appear more and more likely.

And I've been watching, with fascination, the advancements in the coupling of computers and biology . . . that is, moving toward the ability of humans to be directly connected with electronics and by extension, the internet.  If this bio/electronic link was perfected (think Borg), imagine the incredible power inherent in that - streaming internet and immense computing power one with a human brain!

So does this fit with Revelation 13:15?  "The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed."

I dunno 

Ever thing we have seen as in just movies... yeah I can't see anyone bowing down worshiping some AI :) Just talking about this.. we like to think we are so close to the end but.. for AI to get that far advanced so many decades away. Go back to the 50's and watch all the "future tech" coming.. yeah. 

M W Smith.. song Above ALL.. HE is