neo-pharisees

[BlindSeeker]

Most of these tele-evangelists are "tare gathers" doing exactly what God intends them to do, gather up those who will not receive a love for the truth. Deceiving and being deceived.

Our job is to come out from among them and mark them which cause divisions and walk not according to the truth of the gospel.

[Rober H]

Mike,

False prophets and false teachers are not under God's "annointing".

They are to be exposed and this is as good a place as any to do that.

No one is twisting your words.

You are the one that suggested calling on the Holy Spirit to bind tongues so that they can "only speak the truth".

None of the scriptures you used in your post support this teaching.

Balaam could only speak what God told him to speak. No man bound his tongue.

That did not stop Balaam from trying or from lending aid to the enemies of God against Israel.

The false prophets and teachers of today are like Balam.

2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:

2 Peter 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;

2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.

2 Peter 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

If a Christian forum isn't a place to expose false teachers and false teaching where is such a place to be found?

I don't think that for you any place is the right place.

[Rober H]

if satan is the one causing a man to curse the Word of God, causing a man to spread lies, we have the power through the Holy Spirit to put a stop to it...

Demonstration please, I want you to prove this. Show me one person in the world today that can stop another man from spreading lies.

Jesus could have shut up His advesaries and yet He did not. Jesus does not force men to believe or tell the truth.

John 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

[Rober H]

Benny Hinn is a false prophet and a false teacher.

Here is a link to a website where you can hear Benny curse anyone who questions his ministry.

Read and listen and let each person draw his or her own conclusions.

http://www.intotruth.org/wof/Hinn.html

[RGR]

Are you perhaps another arrogant and presumptuous Pentecostal, just like Benny Hinn, and are trying to defend him?

Jo,

First off I'm not Mike and will let him speak for himself. Second, I think Robert is doing right in exposing Hinn. Thirdly, I am Pentecostal and do not appreciate the "arrogant" and "presumptous" terms being broadly applied like a coat of paint. Those two things run across every denominational line, not just Pentecostal. I would deeply appreciate it if you would tell me you're not trying to paint all Pentecostals/AOG people the same way because that's what it looks like.

[Fiosh]

Are you perhaps another arrogant and presumptuous Pentecostal, just like Benny Hinn, and are trying to defend him?

Jo,

First off I'm not Mike and will let him speak for himself. Second, I think Robert is doing right in exposing Hinn. Thirdly, I am Pentecostal and do not appreciate the "arrogant" and "presumptous" terms being broadly applied like a coat of paint. Those two things run across every denominational line, not just Pentecostal. I would deeply appreciate it if you would tell me you're not trying to paint all Pentecostals/AOG people the same way because that's what it looks like.

Hey Ronald!

Just for the record we got us a few of 'em in the RCC too....."arrogant and presumptuous". I have it on good authority that the Lutheran's got themselves a couple. Oh, yeah, the Episcopalians have some. My friend is Church of God, she's got a few over there...........

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[eric]

Are you perhaps another arrogant and presumptuous Pentecostal, just like Benny Hinn, and are trying to defend him?

Jo,

First off I'm not Mike and will let him speak for himself. Second, I think Robert is doing right in exposing Hinn. Thirdly, I am Pentecostal and do not appreciate the "arrogant" and "presumptous" terms being broadly applied like a coat of paint. Those two things run across every denominational line, not just Pentecostal. I would deeply appreciate it if you would tell me you're not trying to paint all Pentecostals/AOG people the same way because that's what it looks like.

You are drawing a long bow there Jo and I don't think that likening all pentecostal to Benny Hinn is a bit of a stretch. Benny is well known on this board and originally this thread was started to expose a different class of preaching, and that is of the post modern and emerging type who are just as dangerous as the TBN variety, if not worse, they are a bit more subtle than the TBN crowd.

[irishcowboy]

what i have said has offended several people here, this is obvious....

what has been mistooken is what i was saying.....

first.... will say it again, I am not defending Hinn or any other.... I have no knowledge of what he has said ( as i have stated before )

second.... what I was trying to say, is that we have to be careful about the way we aproach things, about how we go and even "expose" people.....

if my memory serves me correctly, there are probably a half dozen threads dedicated to "EXPOSING" Mr. Hinn.

most of them seem to have the appearance of arrogance, better then thou attitudes, Look at the Dirt I dug up attitude....

I am not against bringing a wrong to light... Christ even did that, the names he gave the pharisees, he did so in person, face to face... Pauls admonishment was done directly to the people he was writing about...

Christ even admonished Peter many times, in person, not where he was being spoke about behind his back.

the time frame that was given for the one site that was posted was 1999. That was 7 years ago. I believe this is one of the statements that has been used in each of the Hinn threads...

7 years since that statement was made. I have not read each and every line of every site that was posted in the threads about Mr. Hinn, wont claim to have.

how many sins have i committed in the last 7 years? i would hate to have to try and count them, and to have them brought up every day before me would be crazy, being that the Lord has washed each and every one of them away.

as Tess said in her post, the appearance is that of people gloating about what they have found.

things i have notice through out my life is that people that point out faults of others, are actually trying to do like the slight of hand workers do, drawing attention away from the hand that is actually hiding the object.... they bring the audiances attention to the right hand as the left hand is placing the ball into the coat pocket....

all i was saying, is be careful about how you try to "EXPOSE" one that is doing Gods work. in the statements that have been posted in the different threads about Mr. Hinn, there is very little if any sign of love from those tearing him down.

as far as prayer, Prayer is not just lip service, prayer is living in Gods Grace, prayer is more then just asking for things, more then just being on ones knees a few minutes a day ( most people dont even do that ) prayer is communications between God and man... when man can not know what to say, the Holy Spirit interceeds, when God calls upon a man to do something, the Holy Spirit empowers the vessel to get it done...

just be careful about how we go about "exposing" others faults, and the state of our own hearts (attitudes)

I do not know your heart, nor do you know mine, i do not know your walk and you do not know mine, and through this site, this message board, that will never happen, all we have is appearance and what a person says..... mostly what we see are masks.... many people have virtually no information even on their profiles so we have even less to go on ( not that i would want much info there )

I still stand on it that most of what is being said about Mr. Hinn and the others is gossip... what kind of dirt can we dig up... this is the way it appears..... "But it is true dirt" .... .it is still gossip..... Gossip can be true or false, it does not matter.... the same with many prayer request, they tend to be gossip camafloged as a prayer request, the persons life story which has nothing to do with the actual request...

mike

[Rober H]

Benny Hinn is just one man. TBN supports him and endorses him.

Remember the focus of this thread is about those who dare to expose error are being labeled as "hypocrites, heresey hunters, neo-pharisees" and more.

Paul Crouch and others curse anyone who dares question the doctrines and the methods they use for getting money from their viewers.

It isn't just Benny Hinn. Even the men that are basically sound in their doctrine and practices that have programs on TBN turn a blind eye and keep silent about what is going on. All it takes for corruption to continue is for men who see heresey and evil practices to say and do nothing.

Look at what is happening in this forum. The people who want to discuss and point out doctrinal error are said to be "gloating" and being "gossips".

The issues in this thread are what is important. If a person finds this thread so distasteful that they don't want to read it there are plenty of other threads they can go to.

I would have to tear up half of my bible if exposing false prophets, teachers and hereticks was not important.

I don't want to sin by keeping silent when I can plainly see that the church is being deceived and harmed by the practices of men who have the attention of a world wide group of Christians, non -believers and those who might be considering believing the gospel.

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

[jamie]

all i was saying, is be careful about how you try to "EXPOSE" one that is doing Gods work.

There is no need to "expose" anyone for doing Gods work Mike, this is about those who work for satan and use the Lords name to fool the masses. You seem to have the wrong idea of what a fasle teacher is.

Your sympathy seems to be with the false teachers instead of the unsuspecting victims of their heresy.

You have to understand what these workers of evil represent and the damage they do to the body of Christ before you can understand the heart of those who expose them.

Would you warn your neighbors if a vicious dog was in your neighborhood killing the children?

A false teacher is the same, in a spiritual sense.

It is biblical to expose them, and nobody here is "gossiping". If possible we need to pull the weeds instead of water them.