just wandering where God was on 9/11

[Guest bowman]

i am just wandering what anyone thinks God was doing during 9/11

[ayin jade]

I know He was there, and well aware of what was going on that day. There should have been at least 25,000 people who died in those buildings that day, but there werent. There are so many stories of people who never missed a day of work until that day, who were never late in 25 years of working until that day. Yes, it was horrible and so many died that day. Sadly, bad things happen in this world. It doesnt mean God wasnt around, or that He didnt care. Praise the Lord even in bad times.

[eric]

Amen Jade. Just ask the ones who were late for work where God was.

[aftwine]

For the ones who did make it to work that day, you have to understand that terrorists killed them not God. Did God allow it to happen? Yes He did, but bad things happen to good people:

Why do bad things happen to good people by Jack Kelley

This has been the topic of several popular books recently. As I recall one author's conclusion was that either God cares for us but can't help or else He can help us but doesn't care. Isn't that encouraging?

But this is the first and most frequently asked question when people are experiencing serious trouble, whether they're believers or not. The answers seem to have eluded mankind since the incident between Cain and Able. I say answers because there appear to be at least three. The first and by far the most common is found by looking in a mirror. The second has to do with the consequences of sin in the world. And the third concerns our own sin nature. Let's take them in order.

Mirror, Mirror on the Wall

First, when I say look in the mirror, I mean that most of us do more in a day to diminish our physical and mental wellbeing than to enhance it. Just look at our eating and exercise habits, the stress we create and endure in the work place, the way we enslave ourselves to materialism, the enormous load of debt and responsibility we carry, and the way we suffer and cause suffering in our relationships.

A basic rule of architecture is that the weakness of any structure will present itself under stress. The lifestyle we choose can be a source of enormous stress, irrespective of how good we are, or of the good things we do. And for some the very effort required to do and be good is itself a source of stress. Psychologists know that stress reduces our attention span, distracts us, angers us and makes us more prone to accidents and illness. Any weakness in our physical and/or mental structure will eventually present itself under stress.

Ready for Seconds?

And that brings me to number two. Where did these weaknesses in our physical and mental structure come from? The Book of Genesis tells us that Adam and Eve were created by a direct act of God and in His image. He placed them in the Garden of Eden and gave them only one rule. When they broke that rule, sin entered into the world, and Satan became the spiritual power behind events on earth (1 John 5:19).

It is Satan who brought all the pain and suffering into our world. And it's the ongoing presence of sin that makes this possible. The bible calls Satan the god of this age (2 Cor 4:4) and the prince of this world (John 12:31, 14:30. 16:11), and asserts that the whole world is under his control. We don't inhabit the world as God created it, but the one contaminated by Satan's rebellion and Adam's sin. Because we live here, and are descendants of Adam and Eve we suffer the consequences of their sin, one of which is our own propensity for sin. (According to Genesis 5:3 we are made in Adam's image.)

Truth or Consequences?

These sin consequences are so much a part of our reality that we hardly question them. But consider this. Do you really believe a perfect God deliberately created an imperfect image of Himself; an image with the genetic disposition for disease and other physical and mental malfunctions? That a Creator who is defined as the personification of love designed us to hate those who are different? Or caused those around us to withhold the love we so desperately need so we would conclude that we're unlovable and end our own lives? Would an eternal God create temporal children who get old and sick, fall apart, die and go to hell while He lives on? Cause parents to beat, abuse and abandon and even murder their own children; offspring of the very process of procreation He had delegated to them in the first place? Have you ever had to watch your child die? God has watched 6 BILLION of His die.

He's God and You're Not

You say "But He's God. He can do anything He wants. He can stop this." No He can't, and that's what makes Him God. He's not just some more powerful version of us. He can't be arbitrary or capricious like we are. He can't relieve us of the consequences of sin in the world. He can love you enough to purchase a pardon for your sins (it took His life) but He can?t make you love Him enough to accept it. He has to be just, He has to be fair, and He has to play by the rules. These rules require Him to allow events that are not consistent with either His pleasure or His desire. When His rules are broken (we call that sin) He has to permit consequences.

Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth

Satan introduced sickness, pain, suffering and death into the creation as a consequence of that first sin. And unlike God, Satan doesn't have to be fair so these things affect even the innocent. Because it's no longer "politically correct" to even acknowledge Satan's existence, the only one left to blame is God. So with a considerable assist from liberal theology, God gets all the blame, Satan gets off Scot Free, and lost people everywhere cry "Why me?" without ever getting an answer.

Last time I said that this is the first and most frequently asked question when people experience serious trouble, whether they're believers or not. There appear to be at least three answers to this age-old question. The first and by far the most common is found by looking in a mirror. The second has to do with the consequences of sin in the world (we covered these last time) And the third concerns our own sin nature. I'll share a story to tie the first two together and then use a brief summary of the Book of Job for answer number three.

Tell me a Story

I've altered certain facts to disguise this believer's identity, but his story is true. To most he seems like a friendly guy who takes life pretty much in stride, but behind closed doors he's way different. Family tales of his temper tantrums are the stuff of legends. Some years ago he suffered a heart attack that required a bypass operation. While recovering in the hospital he learned of a minor accident that had left a small scratch on his car. The next time his family came to visit, he blew up and threw them out. He ignored the doctor's advice on changing his eating habits to combat his cholesterol problem. I witnessed his temper once in a retail business when he didn't get the service he wanted. He recently had another heart attack, and the day after getting out of the hospital sent his wife out for a fast food sandwich with fries and a coke. He claims that God sent his heart attacks and refuses to heal him.

Who's in Charge Here?

This is a great example of our unwillingness to recognize the effect of sin in our world and then accept responsibility for our own behavior. God is not the creator of weak hearts and high cholesterol. He didn't invent cancer or HIV. And He didn't give this man his terrible temper. Satan introduced these things into the creation as a result of sin. Satan's contamination of God's creation caused my friend's first heart attack. God did gift modern medicine with the ability to delay the effects of sin, and He also promised that when we're born again we can be made new so this man is himself responsible for not following sound medical and spiritual instruction. And that helped bring about his second one. (Aren't you glad you and I aren't like that?)

The Book of Job?

Job was a wealthy, prominent man given to many good works. As we'sll see his reliance on these good works got him into trouble with Satan. The book opens with Satan receiving permission from God to afflict Job within certain limits.

Does That Sound Fair?

The fact that God gave His permission doesn't mean that God desired to afflict Job, but He has to abide by His rules. They require Him to allow events that are not consistent with either His pleasure or His desire. When His rules are broken (we call it sin) He has to permit consequences. And that's where Satan comes in. The name comes from the Hebrew ha'Sa tan' which means "the accuser." He had accused Job of sinning as we'll see (It's our sin that gives Satan access to us.)

Don't jump to the conclusion here that if you're ill or in trouble, it's necessarily because of some great and secret sin of yours, (or think that because you haven't sinned you shouldn't have any trouble). Remember our earlier example.

Back to Job

Both these errors are covered in Job. He thinks he's a righteous man, and as such, he questions why these bad things are happening to him. His "friends" on the other hand try to get him to admit that he must have committed some huge sin to deserve the affliction.

And Now; the Final Answer

The great lesson of Job is this. When we try to justify ourselves we end up condemning God. If we say we don't deserve to be afflicted, we are really saying that God isn't just or fair. But the bible is clear in stating that no matter how good we think we are, we're nowhere near good enough to be called righteous in God's sight. If we were we wouldn't need a Savior, Satan would have no basis for accusing us, and God could not permit our affliction. Job's belief that he had done too much good to deserve the torment he was getting was the basis for Satan's accusation. We call that spiritual pride today. It's a sin and it gave Satan the opening he needed.

Job's pride prompted Satan's accusation. God had to permit the torment but used it to change Job's heart. (He does that sometimes.) When Job finally woke up, he confessed, was forgiven, and his losses were more than restored. So Job gets blessed, God gets His point across, and Satan gets used. Sounds fair doesn't it?

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[Marnie]

i am just wandering what anyone thinks God was doing during 9/11

The same thing He was doing on 9/10.

[traveller]

Bowman, this is the only thread that will remain for replies. The rest will all be deleted. Please keep the conversation here. Thanks.

[Nevin]

God is omnipresent - He is of a spiritual nature as to the more obvious reason as to why you posted this thread ....your real question should be "why did God not do anything? and its very simple because His ways and His thoughts are not ours.

[redeemed098]

9/11....? Is this the only sad day in the history of the world....There was an act committed I know of that I would say is the most evil crime perpetrated in the history of man.

A man named Jesus came into the world to save all men from their sins and provide for reconciliation with God for eternal life.....and they nailed him to a cross.

A sinless man, without crime and without cause, they hung him to die bleeding on a roman cross..The saviour of all the world.

Where was God on 9/11...?? The same place he was 2000 years ago when he watched his only begotten son die FOR the very men who condemned him to death.

They murdered him, but God is well able to work everything for Good....Imagine what he can do with 9/11.........!! I think this is the REAL statement that needs to be made....

Isnt it sad what it takes for God to get your attention....!!! You will be amazed at the salvation testimonies that have come from 9/11....For a few weeks there, the very classes that had pushed for prayer to be removed from the schools actually welcomed and encouraged prayer....It didnt take long though for the hearts to harden again...God often uses mans wickedness and brings it about for "good." He is about salvation. He will will allow whatever it takes to get your attention, because where you are headed as an unrepentant sinner pales in comparison to anything you will ever see on this earth...

The life you live now, is nothing compared to the life that awaits you with Christ. But the death you die NOW is nothing compared to the death that awaits you if you die ChristLESS...

Regards,

Ben.

[littlejoe]

My friend I see that God was there in all the people who were hurt and still offered a helping hand to some else ; I see Him in all those who went into theose buildings to rescue others regardless of the danger to themselves. I see Him in the sorrow fo the people who witness such horror,and still offered comfort to someone else. I think you could make a List a mile long if care to. It just depends on how you see God. Love in Christ littlejoe

[The One]

9/11....? Is this the only sad day in the history of the world....There was an act committed I know of that I would say is the most evil crime perpetrated in the history of man.

A man named Jesus came into the world to save all men from their sins and provide for reconciliation with God for eternal life.....and they nailed him to a cross.

A sinless man, without crime and without cause, they hung him to die bleeding on a roman cross..The saviour of all the world.

Where was God on 9/11...?? The same place he was 2000 years ago when he watched his only begotten son die FOR the very men who condemned him to death.

They murdered him, but God is well able to work everything for Good....Imagine what he can do with 9/11.........!! I think this is the REAL statement that needs to be made....

Isnt it sad what it takes for God to get your attention....!!! You will be amazed at the salvation testimonies that have come from 9/11....For a few weeks there, the very classes that had pushed for prayer to be removed from the schools actually welcomed and encouraged prayer....It didnt take long though for the hearts to harden again...God often uses mans wickedness and brings it about for "good." He is about salvation. He will will allow whatever it takes to get your attention, because where you are headed as an unrepentant sinner pales in comparison to anything you will ever see on this earth...

The life you live now, is nothing compared to the life that awaits you with Christ. But the death you die NOW is nothing compared to the death that awaits you if you die ChristLESS...

Regards,

Ben.

God was probably having a cup of coffee at that time