church

[Natt]

I went to church this morning only leaving to be apologetic to our visitor. Our daughter brought her friend to church. She was a young catholic youth whose family is very active in their faith.

The lesson was on the AntiChrist and a few minutes were spent telling us that Catholics weren't saved. Even though I don't disagree with what most of what was said I don't understand why sometimes they just like putting down the other denominations(false or otherwise). Shouldn't there be a focus on bringing others to Christ and proclaiming what the Bible says.

Wouldn't it be better to teach false doctrines that get taught, by using the power of the Word to refute those ideas.

She was offended and talked about to us how some of what was said about Catholics was wrong.

I doubt the church will see this young youth again.

[Candi770]

Yeah, it's bad when the preacher spends any time on his opinions away from the word of God. I left a church, a young x-wiccan who I was witnessing too came with me to this church and during worship service, she decided to read the bible, the pastor called her down in front of all people-totally humiliated her-for reading the word of God-instead of standing up singing along with the others. This young lady never had the grace of God extended to her from a pulpit, she would come to church to find Jesus and she would be condemned by them with absolutely no Love extended to her. I let her know that this was wrong-but not to be offended-he is human. But, I was tired of the cold shoulder and no love atmosphere there and I took myself out of that loveless environment. She moved away soon after- I pray to God that those seeds that were planted (the word of God-the gospel) will manifest in her life!!! She did give her heart to Jesus-I just pray she is growing!!

I've visited different denoms and they have spoken against my denom- it was a choice I had to make not to be offended by a petty thing- I can't change their heart but God can always deal with me. But I don't mind being called a one who swings from the chandiliers and would probably find pleasure from doing so (LOL-just joking) but yes your right-it's offensive.

[bethshemaiah]

Church hurt is a terrible thing and Jesus was never into publically humiliating people. The closest that I can recall was him stating to the Hebrew woman that it was "not good for Him to throw bread to the little dogs" as we study this we realize it is a lesson in the faith of the woman that is brought to light in this scripture and He being God already knew the results of His remarks.

Bashing other denominations from the pulpit is surely not going to win these visitors to the Lord if they have not received salvation in their own churches. The way to win people to Christ is by loving them. When it becomes about winning people to one's "denomination", shame, shame.

[kittylover0991]

Church hurt is a terrible thing and Jesus was never into publically humiliating people. The closest that I can recall was him stating to the Hebrew woman that it was "not good for Him to throw bread to the little dogs" as we study this we realize it is a lesson in the faith of the woman that is brought to light in this scripture and He being God already knew the results of His remarks.

Bashing other denominations from the pulpit is surely not going to win these visitors to the Lord if they have not received salvation in their own churches. The way to win people to Christ is by loving them. When it becomes about winning people to one's "denomination", shame, shame.

I am surely not one for putting others down, but wasn't it Jesus who said unto the Pharisees and Saducees "Oh ye generation of vipers, HYPOCRITES".... They were false teachers and Christ called them out on it.... Why shouldn't a pastor stand up against false teaching? There are many things I would have not learned about otherwise, and as a young Christian, easily swayed when they came my way.... If a pastor is supposed to stand up and call sin "sin", then why can't a pastor stand up and say that a particular religion is preaching false doctrine? Alright, perfect example (again, not meant for debate): tongues. I am completely against the pentacostal/charismatic/ whatever it is that beleives in speaking in tongues. I dont mean for that to be offensive, I have been just told there are major differences.. but you know? My x-boyfriend is pentacostal and I met him about the same time my pastor was preaching on tongues.... and my old boyfriend and I started discussing it... Now I know many on here believe that tongues is for churches today, and I don't. For those who believe, you'd want a pastor saying that to say tongues is not for today, that that pastor is in error.

My pastor doesn't talk about denominations normally (actually, I can't recall it), but I know he stands up and talks about cults and how they are teaching false doctrines! If it is acceptable for a "cult", then why isn't it acceptable for any other religion or denomination that teaches false doctrine?

Just a thought.... false doctrine is false doctrine....

[Leonard]

I went to church this morning only leaving to be apologetic to our visitor. Our daughter brought her friend to church. She was a young catholic youth whose family is very active in their faith.

The lesson was on the AntiChrist and a few minutes were spent telling us that Catholics weren't saved. Even though I don't disagree with what most of what was said I don't understand why sometimes they just like putting down the other denominations(false or otherwise). Shouldn't there be a focus on bringing others to Christ and proclaiming what the Bible says.

Wouldn't it be better to teach false doctrines that get taught, by using the power of the Word to refute those ideas.

She was offended and talked about to us how some of what was said about Catholics was wrong.

I doubt the church will see this young youth again.

Well 'ordination' does not grant either rectitude or intelligence...............

[Guest lovinghim4ever]

Sorry this young girl experienced such an offensive time. I was raised Catholic but changed denominations when I got saved. I changed denominations because of my own heart of conviction, however I still didn't like when someone put down the Catholic denomination. I know some very devout Catholic Christians whose hearts are pure before the Lord. No one should ever put down others for any reason; especially from behind a pulpit where we are suppose to be able to go to experience unconditional love and acceptance. I will pray for this young girl.

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[kittylover0991]

I understand conditional love... but what I don't understand is not warning someone when something is dangerous.... There are lies that being spread by various "churches" and "denominations" and they need to be called out. You don't tell a child, "Oh, you can eat whatever you want" because there are things that are dangerous, and as my pastor gave for an example thsi morning, "anti freeze" (turns out kitties like anti freeze by the way".... One shoudl know the truth abotu tongues and one should know the truth about salvation, and the Catholic Church (since that seems to be a big part of this discussion)... becuase these doctrines have been corrupted over time in various churches that have broken off from the truth... You aren't going to let a child eat baking soda, you tell them it makes things smell nice and they shouldn't eat it... You are going ot tell a child not to take a radio into the shower .... People need to know THE TRUTH about different groups that call themselves churches... What good would it do if you have the truth and don't tell anybody? "it's all about loving the Lord"... what about if that churches teaches you can pay for your own sins, or what if you found out they worhsip dead bodies! How about if a church says that after you get saved, you have to do more to get that fullness of the spirit? We have the truth adn we need to proclaim it and you know? Strangely enough, my pastor preached on this very same topic this morning called "Idnetifying the enemy".... We need to be spreading the truth even if it means that some people are going to be offended.... I want to see the pastor that says, "Oh, we can't stand up and say that we aren't saved by works because it might offend somebody. We need to be all about love!!" .... Yeah, refuse the preach the DOCTRINES of God's Word, and watch what happens. Actually, I shoudl be saying, "CONTINUE to see what hapens" as churches of today go down hill because they are all about "love" and no doctrine..... all love and no truth.... We need to preach about love, but we need to preach that we are sinners, which is WHY Jesus died for us, and we need to tell others about the doctrinal ERROR in other "churches".. lest they fall into that very same trap as many others have already done. Take Jehovah's False WItnessness for Example, Mormons that claim to be part of the "church of Jesus Christ".... take wicca for example.... yeah, "let's just talk about love." Sad.

[Openly Curious]

I understand conditional love... but what I don't understand is not warning someone when something is dangerous.... There are lies that being spread by various "churches" and "denominations" and they need to be called out. You don't tell a child, "Oh, you can eat whatever you want" because there are things that are dangerous, and as my pastor gave for an example thsi morning, "anti freeze" (turns out kitties like anti freeze by the way".... One shoudl know the truth abotu tongues and one should know the truth about salvation, and the Catholic Church (since that seems to be a big part of this discussion)... becuase these doctrines have been corrupted over time in various churches that have broken off from the truth... You aren't going to let a child eat baking soda, you tell them it makes things smell nice and they shouldn't eat it... You are going ot tell a child not to take a radio into the shower .... People need to know THE TRUTH about different groups that call themselves churches... What good would it do if you have the truth and don't tell anybody? "it's all about loving the Lord"... what about if that churches teaches you can pay for your own sins, or what if you found out they worhsip dead bodies! How about if a church says that after you get saved, you have to do more to get that fullness of the spirit? We have the truth adn we need to proclaim it and you know? Strangely enough, my pastor preached on this very same topic this morning called "Idnetifying the enemy".... We need to be spreading the truth even if it means that some people are going to be offended.... I want to see the pastor that says, "Oh, we can't stand up and say that we aren't saved by works because it might offend somebody. We need to be all about love!!" .... Yeah, refuse the preach the DOCTRINES of God's Word, and watch what happens. Actually, I shoudl be saying, "CONTINUE to see what hapens" as churches of today go down hill because they are all about "love" and no doctrine..... all love and no truth.... We need to preach about love, but we need to preach that we are sinners, which is WHY Jesus died for us, and we need to tell others about the doctrinal ERROR in other "churches".. lest they fall into that very same trap as many others have already done. Take Jehovah's False WItnessness for Example, Mormons that claim to be part of the "church of Jesus Christ".... take wicca for example.... yeah, "let's just talk about love." Sad.

Hello kittylover,

Would be interested on your take on scriptures found in

Mark 9:33-50

just curious as your view in light of the things you have said.

OC

[kittylover0991]

I understand conditional love... but what I don't understand is not warning someone when something is dangerous.... There are lies that being spread by various "churches" and "denominations" and they need to be called out. You don't tell a child, "Oh, you can eat whatever you want" because there are things that are dangerous, and as my pastor gave for an example thsi morning, "anti freeze" (turns out kitties like anti freeze by the way".... One shoudl know the truth abotu tongues and one should know the truth about salvation, and the Catholic Church (since that seems to be a big part of this discussion)... becuase these doctrines have been corrupted over time in various churches that have broken off from the truth... You aren't going to let a child eat baking soda, you tell them it makes things smell nice and they shouldn't eat it... You are going ot tell a child not to take a radio into the shower .... People need to know THE TRUTH about different groups that call themselves churches... What good would it do if you have the truth and don't tell anybody? "it's all about loving the Lord"... what about if that churches teaches you can pay for your own sins, or what if you found out they worhsip dead bodies! How about if a church says that after you get saved, you have to do more to get that fullness of the spirit? We have the truth adn we need to proclaim it and you know? Strangely enough, my pastor preached on this very same topic this morning called "Idnetifying the enemy".... We need to be spreading the truth even if it means that some people are going to be offended.... I want to see the pastor that says, "Oh, we can't stand up and say that we aren't saved by works because it might offend somebody. We need to be all about love!!" .... Yeah, refuse the preach the DOCTRINES of God's Word, and watch what happens. Actually, I shoudl be saying, "CONTINUE to see what hapens" as churches of today go down hill because they are all about "love" and no doctrine..... all love and no truth.... We need to preach about love, but we need to preach that we are sinners, which is WHY Jesus died for us, and we need to tell others about the doctrinal ERROR in other "churches".. lest they fall into that very same trap as many others have already done. Take Jehovah's False WItnessness for Example, Mormons that claim to be part of the "church of Jesus Christ".... take wicca for example.... yeah, "let's just talk about love." Sad.

Hello kittylover,

Would be interested on your take on scriptures found in

Mark 9:33-50

just curious as your view in light of the things you have said.

OC

Well.. to be perfectly honest, I am not all entirely sure of how to explain those scritpures.... I mean, I believe in taking the Bible literally, but I dont think we should actually cut off our hands or our feet. Maybe he is refering to those things that are keeping us from getting saved possibly?

But around the end of that passage, the Lord says that hell is where "the worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched"... I would take that and say he is warning folks about spiritual death.... The Lord shows love, but he also warns about danger.

[backontrack]

I went to church this morning only leaving to be apologetic to our visitor. Our daughter brought her friend to church. She was a young catholic youth whose family is very active in their faith.

The lesson was on the AntiChrist and a few minutes were spent telling us that Catholics weren't saved. Even though I don't disagree with what most of what was said I don't understand why sometimes they just like putting down the other denominations(false or otherwise). Shouldn't there be a focus on bringing others to Christ and proclaiming what the Bible says.

Wouldn't it be better to teach false doctrines that get taught, by using the power of the Word to refute those ideas.

She was offended and talked about to us how some of what was said about Catholics was wrong.

I doubt the church will see this young youth again.

That's so sad! Maybe you could talk to your minister and ask him if he could maybe ask the young person to forgive him of such a vague statement. (Judge and yea shall not be judged)!