ALLAH OR JESUS ?

[damo1]

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high every one on worthy i thought i would share this to you as this was given out in our church service today

rick mathes is a well known leader in prison ministry hear in australia and i thought that this would be intresting to some on worthy

ALLAH OR JESUS ?

last month i attended my anual training session that is required for maintaining my state prison security clearance during the training session there was a presentation by three speakers representing the Roman catholic church Protestant and muslem faith who expalined each of there belief systems

i was particulary intrested in what the islamic immam had to say the immam gave a great presentation of the basics of islam complete with video

After the presentation time was provided for questions and answers When it was my turn i directed my question to the immam and asked please correct me if i am wrong but i understand that most immams and clerics of islam have declared a holy jihad holy war Against the infidels of the world And that by killing An infidel which is a command to all muslems they are assured of a place in heaven

if thqt is the case can you give me the defination of an infidel

there was no disagrement with my statements and and with out hesitation he replied non belivers

i responded so let me make sure i have this straight All followers of allah have been commanded to kill everyone who is not of your faith so that they can go to heaven is that correct ?

The expression on his face changed from one in Athority and commanded to that of a little boy who had just gotten caught with his hand in the cookie jar he sheepishly replied yes

i then stated well sir i have a real problem trying to imagine pope john paul trying to command all catholics to kill those of your faith so they can go to heaven or Dr stanly ordering all protestants to do the same in order to go to heaven

The immam was speechless i continued i also have a problem of being your friend when you and your brother clerics are telling your followers to kill me Let me ask you a question would you rather have your allah who tells you to kill me in order to go to heaven or my jesus who tells me to love you because i am going to heaven and he wants you to be with me

you could have heard a pin drop as the immam hung his head in shame

Needles to say the organizers and or promoters of the diversification training seminar were not happy with ricks way of dealing with the islamic immam and exposing the truth about the muslems beliefs

we hear in australia and many should have this in the back of our minds and praying for doors to open and a window to open to wear the truth can be shared as these people are being told this and they belive in jihad holy war and see us as infidels and feel that for them to go to heaven is for them to harm us

when i read this i was also in the midle of speaking to some one about applying for a sercurity clearance so i can spend some time with those serving time this is also something that the lord is placing on my heart and i have had the chance to talk to sevral inmates due to one friend being in jail now serving time for murder and she told me that muslems are pushing there faith on others while serving time and this needs prayer to wear the gospal can be preached in our prisons to wear men and women like this are not manipulated like the muslems are

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[Joshua-777]

the defination of an infidel, in the Muslim religion is anyone who doesn't submit to Allah, very sad. pray for them.

[MorningGlory]

I so agree with everything the man said, dano. I've made up my mind to do the same. Truthfully, the only muslims I know are white Europeans who don't practice their faith at all. They are totally westernized. But I pray for the opportunity to witness to a devout muslim.....and your post has shown me the way. Thanks for sharing!

[Carol R]

Hi damo,

Please can I copy some of the information in your post as I would like to be able to sit and learn it , it will be very useful for the future.

Thanks for posting this.

[damo1]

Hi damo,

Please can I copy some of the information in your post as I would like to be able to sit and learn it , it will be very useful for the future.

Thanks for posting this.

to carol R

high this is damo1 yes you can i am glad it is helpful as what is given to me is up to date hear in australia

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[damo1]

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high again to carol R

you can also get info from a group caled catch the fire ministrys they are based in melbourne australia www.catch the fire ministrys and go into their sight these pastors wil respond and send you what they pas on to there members and those seeking info as these pastors came under attack by the immams in melbourne for stating that what they are teaching is evil the poor pastors lost the court case that was bought against them and wear told not to do any more confrences hear in australia on the teachings that they wear passing on a lot of christians hear wear praying for them as these pastors had the guts to challange the immams wear most dare not to do this as they got tired of the muslem community challanging any one that came against allah

so have a look at the web sight i gave you ther is also a contac email and they wil repond to you

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[boblandis]

Very good article.

[Guest Chris777]

NICE ONE! here something else you couldve said that wouldve left him dumbfounded which totally refutes the Q'ruan as infallible.

The Q'ran also teaches that Jesus was a prophet. If Jesus claimed that he was the only way to heaven and Muhammed calimed that he was the way to heaven why doesnt the Q'ran call jesus a mad man? The Q'ran is in contradiction here and whoever wrote it didnt have a clear understanding of Jesus's message. Let me quote the new testament. This is in John chapter 10. It states that Jesus is the only6 way to heaven and he who tries to enter anyother way is a robber and a thief. Muhammed must have forgot to read this part before writing the q'ran.

What you said was better though tbh

[boblandis]

Good point Chris.

[yaqub]

NICE ONE! here something else you couldve said that wouldve left him dumbfounded which totally refutes the Q'ruan as infallible.

The Q'ran also teaches that Jesus was a prophet. If Jesus claimed that he was the only way to heaven and Muhammed calimed that he was the way to heaven why doesnt the Q'ran call jesus a mad man? The Q'ran is in contradiction here and whoever wrote it didnt have a clear understanding of Jesus's message. Let me quote the new testament. This is in John chapter 10. It states that Jesus is the only6 way to heaven and he who tries to enter anyother way is a robber and a thief. Muhammed must have forgot to read this part before writing the q'ran.

What you said was better though tbh

Ahhh. But Muslims get around this by claiming that the Bible has been corrupted (to which you can ask if Allah is not able to keep his earlier revelations from being corrupted), that the Bible was not the original Injil (Gospel) GIVEN to Jesus. (BTW, Muslims believe that in the End Times, there will come a Muslim leader called with the title of al-Mahdi and he will find a new version of the Torah and the Gospel and will use it to "refute" the Jews and Christians.... great deception coming).

Secondly, Muhammad never knew the Bible. There was no Arabic translation during his time, that's why he kept messing up the details of the Biblical stories, and also ended up incorporating folklores into the Qur'an.