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Why do I need your God to live a healthy, happy, meaningful life?

You don't.

With all due respect to my Christian Brothers and Sisters, there are many non-believers who are happy, healthy and enjoy the lives they live. I say this with certainty because I was one.

God does not exist to make 'us' happy.

Neither does God make all believers healthy, nor does He punish all sinners with ill health.

God deserves our worship because

a) He created us

b) He is real

c) He loves us

d) and He IS love

It's not about us. It's about God.

Some of the benefits of following God include joy. This is not necessarily continual happiness, as even Christ "was deeply moved in spirit and troubled" and wept (John 11:32-36). But it is the deep joy of knowing God, and knowing that no matter the circumstance, there is a purpose to it.

...I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength.

(Phil 4:11-13)

There is meaning in life, and there is Meaning in Life.

We were created to know God, and we are only truly fulfilled when that relationship is restored.

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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

I am praying for you, dear one.


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

Hijack away.

If we can't take time away from whatever we're doing to listen to a person whom God loves, then we're the ones who need to change.

My deep sympathy for your loss SDGS.


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

Could you give me a definition of what you think love is?


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if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe.

Time for some straight talking with you SDGS

Why do you need someone to help you to believe? God equips us to believe, not man.

And if you are only looking for "comfort", again you have a problem. Being born again can hurt a lot, a lot of the time. Jesus told us it would. What are you looking for? Comfort from God for the rest of your life? Plain sailing? An easy ride? You will never get that if you truly accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour.

And again, you say He throws **** at you. NO, He does not. It is the enemy, who has you firmly where he wants you, who does that.

You are not ready to surrender yourself to Jesus yet, and thats fine, but if it worries you as much as it seems to, from your previous posts, why don't you just do it? Accept Him 100%. Stop tap dancing and just accept Him.

There is no other option.

You say you want to be classified as a non believer?

Ok, prove to me there is no God first.


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

People at Worthy are always here for you SDGS, and are prepared to patiently help you in any way we can, whatever your problems, whatever you feel about G-d, people or yourself...it is not mere belief in Jesus that you need, but a personal tranforming encounter and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. We all have had times that are difficult, worrying, fearful, hard to understand, tragic, overwhelming, disappointing, confusing, shocking and deeply personal...that is the nature of being a human being living on planet Earth....but through it all, G-d is always there, and in spite of what it seems, He loves each of us to the fullest extent possible, ultimately demonstrated through Jesus, but now also through individuals who know Him and are led by the Spirit.

Prayerfully. Botz


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

Hi SDGS, Been a while since we last posted together. Sorry you are having problems again. I have to say though that I know you believe & that when your anger dies down you will see that you do. It is ok to rant, it helps get out the frustration you feel.

I want to tell you a bit about myself, something I don't normally do. I used to get angry at God quite often & rant at Him because things I prayed for or things I believed would happen just didn't come about like I thought they should. I would ask God why He didn't hear & why He wouldn't answer & why was He letting this happen & on & on. And guess what I FINALLY figured out? My life is not about ME, but about Him bringing me to a place where all people see when they look at me is HIM. Now I am still a work in progress & I still have to repent when I have a 'me' day, but I have the understanding now that EVERYTHING is working to bring me to this place in Him.

When we are placed in hardship, we should see it as an opportunity to GROW by developing our trust in Him. We should run to God with the knowledge that of all His creation He loved us enough to give His Son for us.

We have to grow & learn to trust. When is that accomplished best? When everything is going great? or when we have 'problems' in our lives? BOTH---if we let it.

Let God use what has happened to bring you closer to Him instead of pushing Him away. One day we will understand why it had to be this way. Just trust in His love.


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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

Are you certain that you are angry at the right 'person'? Despite what you may say or think, one thing stands as certain as the sun rising tomorrow morning whether there are clouds or not is that God who is 'pure love' did nothing to hurt you. It is NOT possible. You may try to blame God for anything or as much as you wish but He is not guilty, YOU are. You are the one who needed a saviour, You are the one who sinned , You are the one who hates, You are the one who does not wish to blame Satan but would rather blame God for your hurts, your wrongs, your sin. IF you were married ( that I do not know nor need to know) would you let your only son who is a healthy young man of 18 yrs. donate his heart in a transplant so that I could live?

You would think I was a fool for asking such a 'stupid' thing. Yet God gave not just His Son's heart but His life so that you and I and anyone who wishes could live not just for now but for eternity. Does that sound like a God who hates you?

You say that you would rather go to hell. You may die tonight. Is that really your choice? God is listening and despite what you may think He can read and He knows your thoughts before you say or write them. Are you sure you want to spend eternity with pure unadulterated hate?

So vile, so stench filled, so dark, so depressing yet you cannot kill yourself to be removed from it or leave, because wherever you go it is there. You cannot escape - where the worm does not die. Not a possibility to say, "I'm sorry. I didn't really mean it."

I repeat the words - you have before you life or death. Choose wisely while there is yet time for the Master is ready to return and you will not have a pleasant time - a time to change perhaps but if you think that He does not love you know - you will not like the future without His grace in the future.

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Since this is a "moldy oldie" I don't feel bad about speaking and likely hijacking this thread. You can change me back to non believer. If there is a God who loves me he has a really sick way of showing it, and I always believed in him. No more. It is plain baloney and if it gives others comfort, then it is a good thing, so I am not saying you are wrong. But I don't believe anymore and i don't give one damn about hell or whatever. Send me there. It won't be anything more than the **** he throws at me now, and i don't believe god is there or cares one bit about me. if there is a god he just took away the only two people helping me to believe. I don't believe it anymore and i am sick of trying.

Are you certain that you are angry at the right 'person'? Despite what you may say or think, one thing stands as certain as the sun rising tomorrow morning whether there are clouds or not is that God who is 'pure love' did nothing to hurt you. It is NOT possible. You may try to blame God for anything or as much as you wish but He is not guilty, YOU are. You are the one who needed a saviour, You are the one who sinned , You are the one who hates, You are the one who does not wish to blame Satan but would rather blame God for your hurts, your wrongs, your sin. IF you were married ( that I do not know nor need to know) would you let your only son who is a healthy young man of 18 yrs. donate his heart in a transplant so that I could live?

You would think I was a fool for asking such a 'stupid' thing. Yet God gave not just His Son's heart but His life so that you and I and anyone who wishes could live not just for now but for eternity. Does that sound like a God who hates you?

You say that you would rather go to hell. You may die tonight. Is that really your choice? God is listening and despite what you may think He can read and He knows your thoughts before you say or write them. Are you sure you want to spend eternity with pure unadulterated hate?

So vile, so stench filled, so dark, so depressing yet you cannot kill yourself to be removed from it or leave, because wherever you go it is there. You cannot escape - where the worm does not die. Not a possibility to say, "I'm sorry. I didn't really mean it."

I repeat the words - you have before you life or death. Choose wisely while there is yet time for the Master is ready to return and you will not have a pleasant time - a time to change perhaps but if you think that He does not love you know - you will not like the future without His grace in the future.

You judge me? If we are going there then to me you are the most self righteous person I have seen here. No I am not vile nor stench nor filth. Thanks a lot.

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