Unscriptural Hymnals In Worship

[Scarletprayers]

yes.. the Holy Spirit is God and part of the Godhead, but each has its role defined in scriptures... so that all invitations continues to point to Jesus and not to seducing spirits that would steal the show in the worship place.

OK, of all the things I have heard on this Board...

I never thought I'd hear the Holy Spirit accused of being an idol.

I have to agree Neb..................

[poorinspirit]

Hi angels4u!!!

I'm waiting for you to answer my question.........you mean to say the antichrist is worshipped in a lot of Christian churches?

WOW!! I don't know how fast you can answer post, but I'm trying! A guy has to eat sometime!

And I do try to go in order. I skipped one poster just because he is deep into it. My words are offensive to him so I do not care to share with him anymore. He is still free to voice his beliefs to me, but as it is, I cannot without being seen disrespectful to him. I think we are opposite poles, but it is declaring my faith that puts me there. I love him as my brother, but I have left him to God now. Mayhap down the road, the Lord may reveal his errors and his mistakes as God does prune everyone of us.

Anyway... I finally answered you from your first post. I did the skipping of the question of which church I go to because I am identified by my faith in Christ as His. It is His righteousness that is bringing me Home.

Now for the question in this post of which I need to point out is not the same question in your first post.

I'm waiting for you to answer my question.........you mean to say the antichrist is worshipped in a lot of Christian churches?

If scriptures don't declare it plainly enough, then I shall say it by the grace of God.

The indwelling Holy Spirit is not waiting for believers to call on Him to fall on them when He is in them. This is hypocrisey at its best, and a departure from the faith. By doing so, they open themselves up to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils that would love to take the place of worship instead of Christ. Antichrist means "instead of Christ" in Greek. The practise can result from having nothing supernatural but generally, it can lead to moderate supernatural signs and wonders not listed as a manifestation of the Spirit... and then it can lead to extreme signs that are not listed as a manifestation of the Spirit where the assembly can strengthen themselves in their wickedness by saying..."We no longer need the Word of God! All we need is the Spirit!" and thus no one would be able to discern that which is obviously not of God by the Word of God. A little leaven leavens a whole lump.

There is a rest for the people of God, but those that chase after the Holy Spirit in its repeated visitations and falling on them are on a rollercoaster ride. I see no rest in Jesus in that.

May the Lord cause the increase for I know I cannot.

[Redefine_Me]

WOW!! I don't know how fast you can answer post, but I'm trying! A guy has to eat sometime!

Always best in Worthy to bring your sandwich with you when you log in

[poorinspirit]

Is there a "scratches head" icon?

I'm sort of understanding where you are coming from, maybe. I just don't agree. The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are one - a Holy trinity. I don't know if it helps or changes your perspective at all, but most of the verses you are quoting are from prior to penticost, before God sent the Holy Spirit to us.

Anyway, I do praise all three parts of the trinity, so I do not find anything wrong with the songs/verses you referred to.

p.s. my church still has hymnals

Hi Redefine_Me!!!

Pray for discernment. That would be the point of those hymnals being pre Penticost. They do not reflect our faith currently, now does it? And if you read those verses, they talk about what He does as a continual process working in our lives thus hinting at a repetetiveness of asking the Holy Spirit to fall on or descend on them again so it isn't really "just" about prior to Pentecost. And yes... that persepective and actual asking for that again is being done in the worship place today. Shocker, huh? Amazing what a song can do in leading many astray.

By praising all three... it broadens the Way. The Holy Spirit does not seek praise. He is pointing you still to Jesus Christ. The Bible declares how to honor God and that is through the Son. If the Holy Spirit seeks to glorify Jesus... then that is what we should do also since He is in us pointing us to Jesus.

Let's put it to you this way. Jesus warned not to go to a place that says Lo.. here is Christ or.. there in the upper room... and yet in spite of the fact that Holy Spirit is in us to fulfill the role of the Comforter, people are fooled into LYING about the Holy Ghost falling on them (again) when it is something else. You see nothing wrong with the hymnals , but some little lamb comes along and sees no correction, that lamb is liable to be invited to Toronto for a "Blessing" or to Pensacola for the "Outpouring" of the Holy Ghost and by then, no one will be able to correct the error as christianity becomes consumed by spirituanity and they just hide behind the excuse,"But the Holy Spirit is God too!!"

But believe me, Jesus will correct them... for judgment must fall on the House of God first... and being left behind of our loved ones means the loss of the first inheritance... all because no one discerned the hymnals that broadens the Way by pointing to the Holy Ghost in glorifying the action of Pentecost over and over again or make the Holy Ghost the addressee in its hymnals of praise.

[Redefine_Me]

Is there a "scratches head" icon?

I'm sort of understanding where you are coming from, maybe. I just don't agree. The Holy Spirit, Jesus and God are one - a Holy trinity. I don't know if it helps or changes your perspective at all, but most of the verses you are quoting are from prior to penticost, before God sent the Holy Spirit to us.

Anyway, I do praise all three parts of the trinity, so I do not find anything wrong with the songs/verses you referred to.

p.s. my church still has hymnals

Hi Redefine_Me!!!

Pray for discernment. That would be the point of those hymnals being pre Penticost. They do not reflect our faith currently, now does it? And if you read those verses, they talk about what He does as a continual process working in our lives thus hinting at a repetetiveness of asking the Holy Spirit to fall on or descend on them again so it isn't really "just" about prior to Pentecost. And yes... that persepective and actual asking for that again is being done in the worship place today. Shocker, huh? Amazing what a song can do in leading many astray.

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My bad, here. I was not clear in my post. By "verses", I meant the verses you quoted from Matthew, John, and Luke. Not the verses in the hymns.

[angels4u]

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Always best in Worthy to bring your sandwich with you when you log in

Do you know that you are downgrading the Holy Spirit? He's just as important as God and Jesus, the Holy Spirit is God.

Do you know who the Holy Spirit is and what He does in our lives?

I'm still interested to know which church you go, not to judge you but so I understand where you learned what you preach.

[Vickilynn]

Then what about John 5:22,23 then? That is our job too. If the Holy Spirit is the Divine Witness pointing us to Christ Jesus, don't you think we should look to Whom He is pointing to?

Shalom Poor,

What does John 5:22 have to do with anything? I'm sorry Poor, but you're not making sense.

Why don't you tell me what you see in John 5 that you are referring to?

There is no scriptures to say we are to worship or glorify the Holy Spirit, but there are scriptures that specifically state how to glorify the Father and honor Him too

This is the crux of your argument. You don't believe the Holy Spirit is G-d.

Let me tell you the Scriptures show plainly that the Holy Spirit is G-d, as is the Son and the Father. They are Three in One and when you call the Holy Spirit "the anti-christ", you are blaspheming G-d. Just so you know.

I will post some Scriptures for you to see the truth that the Holy Spirit is G-d.

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html

Question: "Who is the Holy Spirit?"

Answer: There are many misconceptions on the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put - the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a Person, a Being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures including Acts 5:3-4. In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he had lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had

[poorinspirit]

Hi hopper!!

We ought to always guard our Scriptural beliefs and practices, and to safeguard, scrutinize, and continually review what we do as Christians and how it lines up with what is acceptable in God's sight by Biblical standards. We will no doubt continue to have a great number of differences in how each of us believe we ought to properly worship God in Spirit and in truth. However, any willful departure from that belief, no matter how entertaining to other senses or sensibilities, ought rightly and strongly to be guarded against.

-hopper

Thanks. I know that a warning like this, only the Lord can cause the increase. And since it is the last days before the rapture when it is prophesied as many going astray and only a few find it, I can rest in Him that those that heed shall listen to His sayings and not lean on their own understanding so as to follow the majority.. or the crowd... or continue on with a routine, but pray about what is shared here toafy by His Words.

[Vickilynn]

Shalom Poor,

Please open your heart to the truth from the Scriptures that the Holy Spirit is G-d and you are blaspheming G-d.

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/holyspirit.htm

The Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is the third person in the Trinity. He is fully God. He is eternal, omniscient, omnipresent, has a will, and can speak. He is alive. He is a person. He is not particularly visible in the Bible because His ministry is to bear witness of Jesus (John 15:26).

Some cults like the Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Holy Spirit is nothing more than a force (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407). This is false. If the Holy Spirit were merely a force, then He could not speak (Acts 13:2); He could not be grieved (Eph. 4:30); and He would not have a will (1 Cor. 12:11).

The truth is that the Holy Spirit is a person the same as the Father and the Son are within the Trinity.

His Names His Attributes Symbols of Sins Against Power in

Christ's Life

God

Acts 5:3-4 Eternal

Heb. 9:14 Dove

Matt. 3:15 Blasphemy

Matt. 12:31 Conceived of

Matt. 1:18,20

Lord

2 Cor. 3:18 Omnipotent

Luke 1:35 Wind

John 3:5 Resist (Unbelief)

Acts 7:51 Baptism

Matt. 3:15

Spirit

1 Cor. 2:10 Omnipresent

Psalm 139:7-10 Fire

Acts 2:3 Insult

Heb. 10:29 Led by

Luke 4:1

Spirit of God

1 Cor. 3:16 Will

1 Cor. 12:11 ***** Lied to

Acts 5:3 Filled with Power

Luke 4:14,18

Spirit of Truth

John 15:26 Loves

Rom. 15:30 ***** Grieved

Eph. 4:30 Witness of Jesus

John 15:26

Eternal Spirit

Heb. 9:14 Speaks

Acts 8:29; 13:2 ***** Quench

1 Thess. 5:19 Raised Jesus

Rom. 8:11

The Works of the Holy Spirit

Access to God - Eph. 2:18 Inspires prayer - Eph. 6:18; Jude 20

Anoints for Service - Luke 4:18 Intercedes -Rom. 8:26

Assures - Rom. 8:15-16; Gal. 4:6 Interprets Scripture - 1 Cor. 2:1,14;

Eph. 1:17

Authors Scripture - 2 Pet. 1:20-21 Leads - Rom. 8:14

Baptizes - John 1:23-34; 1 Cor. 12:13-14 Liberates - Rom. 8:2

Believers Born of - John 3:3-6 Molds Character - Gal. 5:22-23

Calls and Commissions - Acts 13:24; 20:28 Produces fruit - Gal. 5:22-23

Cleanses - 2 Thess. 3:13; 1 Pet. 1:2 Empowers Believers - Luke 24:49

Convicts of sin - John 16:9,14 Raises from the dead - Rom. 8:11

Creates - Gen. 1:2; Job 33:4 Regenerates - Titus 3:5

Empowers - 1 Thess. 1:5 Sanctifies - Rom. 15:16

Fills - Acts 2:4; 4:29-31; 5:18-20 Seals - Eph. 1:1314; 4:30

Gives gifts - 1 Cor. 12:8-11 Strengthens - Eph. 3:16; Acts 1:8; 2:4;

1 Cor. 2:4

Glorifies Christ - John 16:14 Teaches - John 14:26

Guides in truth - John 16:13 Testifies of Jesus - John 15:26

Helps our weakness - Rom. 8:26 Victory over flesh - Rom. 8:2-4; Gal. 4:6

Indwells believers - Rom. 8:9-14; Gal. 4:6 Worship helper - Phil. 3:3

[poorinspirit]

yes.. the Holy Spirit is God and part of the Godhead, but each has its role defined in scriptures... so that all invitations continues to point to Jesus and not to seducing spirits that would steal the show in the worship place.

OK, of all the things I have heard on this Board...

I never thought I'd hear the Holy Spirit accused of being an idol.

Hi nebula!!

That is not what I had posted. People that call for the Holy Spirit to come when He is in them are departing from the faith and opening themselves up to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils. Just because the errant believers call the seducing spirits the Holy Spirit, does not make it so. It is the errant believers that would make the Holy Spirit the center of worship, and the indwelling Holy Spirit does not seek it... but that which is in the world will.

Pray for discernment.