The final assualt on the Bible/God...?

[Guest HIS girl]

The question is, are you hearing what is being said to you?

If every Christian took care of their own little area of influence, there own little Jerusalem, (first in Jerusalem, then Samaria, then the outer parts of the world, Jerusalem first) then this entire nation would be covered stem to stern with Christians doing the right thing. GOD would honor that by intervening with the only power that can make a difference.

Where in the Bible are Christians given direction or commandments to try to control the actions of non-believers?

GOD is still in control of all of it. It is going the way HE intends and the way HE has told us HE intends it to go. How do you expect to stop that?

If I am in Tibet or I walk the Kokoda Trail, then I am a beacon of Light on behalf of the Bible and for what the contents say. If I am sitting on a jumbo jet heading for the Netherlands or alone with my reading students at school in Hicksville, then that is my mission field...wherever I am , that's where my mission field is.

I think the teaching of the Bible in it's correct position needs to start in Church...many, many types of people and lifestyles are represented at Church..if the Body of Christ was united in it's teaching and recognised the urgency of correct teaching as opposed to compromising the Word for the sake of tolerance, then maybe morality would be taken more seriously amongs the community..it has to start within the Church and the way the Bible is taught. I don't think I'm too out of line with this thinking.

That is an absolute truth.

So which church's interpretation of the truth shall we all rally under? They all think they have it right.

That's the cliche isn't it kross.

A good step in the right direction would be for the folks sitting on the seats in Church to recognise what the Word says (by regular reading, praying, studying) and to be able to discern false teaching when they hear it.

[kross]

The question is, are you hearing what is being said to you?

If every Christian took care of their own little area of influence, there own little Jerusalem, (first in Jerusalem, then Samaria, then the outer parts of the world, Jerusalem first) then this entire nation would be covered stem to stern with Christians doing the right thing. GOD would honor that by intervening with the only power that can make a difference.

Where in the Bible are Christians given direction or commandments to try to control the actions of non-believers?

GOD is still in control of all of it. It is going the way HE intends and the way HE has told us HE intends it to go. How do you expect to stop that?

If I am in Tibet or I walk the Kokoda Trail, then I am a beacon of Light on behalf of the Bible and for what the contents say. If I am sitting on a jumbo jet heading for the Netherlands or alone with my reading students at school in Hicksville, then that is my mission field...wherever I am , that's where my mission field is.

I think the teaching of the Bible in it's correct position needs to start in Church...many, many types of people and lifestyles are represented at Church..if the Body of Christ was united in it's teaching and recognised the urgency of correct teaching as opposed to compromising the Word for the sake of tolerance, then maybe morality would be taken more seriously amongs the community..it has to start within the Church and the way the Bible is taught. I don't think I'm too out of line with this thinking.

That is an absolute truth.

So which church's interpretation of the truth shall we all rally under? They all think they have it right.

That's the cliche isn't it kross.

A good step in the right direction would be for the folks sitting on the seats in Church to recognise what the Word says (by regular reading, praying, studying) and to be able to discern false teaching when they hear it.

I am a firm believer that if Christians would sit down together, read and study together, they would come to the same understanding together. The problem is, it would cause people who make their living off the divisions to find another line of work. Many of our "Christian leaders" need to have different denomination to make the money they make.

Then again, I have heard some really bad doctrins put forth on this forum by people who will ignor the truth to continue to believe what they want, and others feel I do the same thing.

The best we can do is to continue to go forth and do what we can where we are. Even the issues in the church are beyond our power, and GOD has built the church the way HE has built the church.

Just try to stand on the truth in your church and do what you can where you have influence. Do not take on the big war, just carve out a battle you can win. It is in winning battles that any war is ultimately won.

Love your passion. Do not change.

[Guest man]

One answer could be loyalty to His Word - from within the Church.

What do you think?

Obedience to the Word, yes.........from within the church, probably not.

[NickyLouse]

But is it not said in Genesis 19:24 "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven" This was a direct retaliation to the people of Sodom and their wicked practices. For their blatant disregard for the word of the Lord they paid with their lives. For us to allow it now is in direct contrast of the Word and as such are we not ignoring the Word, which would damn ourselves along with the homosexuals?

The words of the Lord also tell us to be forgiving to those who sin, even such an evil sin as sodomy. We should not interfere with their sins of the flesh, as it is already to late to save them from themselves; God will do as he sees fit when they pass on to judgment, and they will atone for eternity. Instead, we should enlighten those who have not been tainted by the evils of the lustful ways of the homosexuals, and ensure that the union between man and woman is upheld in the house of the Lord, through law if we have to. For if we do the Lords work, and remove them from this plane, are we no better than them? By killing another man, do we not warrant eternal damnation as much as they do?

Welcome Isaiah!

I think I get what you are saying about not interfering with their sins. The heart of the unsaved sinner must be turned before any behavioral modifications have any bearing on their eternal souls. We would not want the unsaved person to believe that if they change their ways, they'll be guaranteed entry into Heaven. It is only by faith that we are saved.

However, I agree with OneLight about it never being too late as long as the person still is alive. There is no depth of which God cannot pull us out. I thank God He was patient with me and there would not be just a few that would have written me off... for sure.

[OneLight]

Our relationship to the Messiah is a personal one, one on one to be exact. It does not rely on a group of believers, but between the individual and Christ. This is for a reason. When we allow Him into our lives and the Holy Spirit is in us, He works in us in order to work through us. A person needs to know that this is the direction He is leading them down and not one of our personal desires. Even though it may be biblical in root, it may not be His leading. We are to be sure of our calling before we step out. Fast and pray, get prayer from the elders of the church and allow Him to minister to you through them.

1 Peter 5:5-11

Likewise you younger people, submit yourselves to your elders. Yes, all of you be submissive to one another, and be clothed with humility, for

[Fraught]

Is the separation of man and woman as a natural pairing the final swipe at God?

Society has been trying to tear down the morality of the Bible for eons - is the seperation of male and female union to same gender marriages etc the final assault on the Bible and the morality within?

If we muddle up the next generation of childrens' thinking - won't they then see the Bible as old and out of touch...simply because they have been brainwashed in a sense toward self gratification and selfish ideals?

So shouldn't we as Christians be taking a more involved step toward keeping the sanctity of marriage and female/male union alive and thriving?

How do we do this...?

i don't know the answer to your question but i saw the daily show one night last week where jon stewart hosted mike huckabee. mr. huckabee rephrased his stance many times but jon stewart still couldn't understand why interracial marriage between races was any different than a homosexual marriage. this generation sees no difference between homosexuals and any other minority group.

[Guest HIS girl]

i don't know the answer to your question but i saw the daily show one night last week where jon stewart hosted mike huckabee. mr. huckabee rephrased his stance many times but jon stewart still couldn't understand why interracial marriage between races was any different than a homosexual marriage. this generation sees no difference between homosexuals and any other minority group.

You know I have heard this kind of thing before.

Does it say anywhere in the Bible of racial seperation?(in marriage)

Didn't Moses have a black woman as wife?

[LIVN4JC]

The words of the Lord also tell us to be forgiving to those who sin, even such an evil sin as sodomy. We should not interfere with their sins of the flesh, as it is already to late to save them from themselves; God will do as he sees fit when they pass on to judgment, and they will atone for eternity. Instead, we should enlighten those who have not been tainted by the evils of the lustful ways of the homosexuals, and ensure that the union between man and woman is upheld in the house of the Lord, through law if we have to. For if we do the Lords work, and remove them from this plane, are we no better than them? By killing another man, do we not warrant eternal damnation as much as they do?

Jesus did not ignore their sin and we should not either. HE was in the mist of the sinners, showing them the way. The only time it is too late for sinners is after death. To just give up on them is wrong. To judge the world is Gods place. To judge sin in the church is ours.

Blessings OneLight. I do agree with you completely on the first five. But could you please tell me what you mean by to judge sin in the church is ours. I don't quite understand that one.

In His Hands,

MeMa

[Guest HIS girl]

The question is, are you hearing what is being said to you?

If every Christian took care of their own little area of influence, there own little Jerusalem, (first in Jerusalem, then Samaria, then the outer parts of the world, Jerusalem first) then this entire nation would be covered stem to stern with Christians doing the right thing. GOD would honor that by intervening with the only power that can make a difference.

Where in the Bible are Christians given direction or commandments to try to control the actions of non-believers?

GOD is still in control of all of it. It is going the way HE intends and the way HE has told us HE intends it to go. How do you expect to stop that?

If I am in Tibet or I walk the Kokoda Trail, then I am a beacon of Light on behalf of the Bible and for what the contents say. If I am sitting on a jumbo jet heading for the Netherlands or alone with my reading students at school in Hicksville, then that is my mission field...wherever I am , that's where my mission field is.

I think the teaching of the Bible in it's correct position needs to start in Church...many, many types of people and lifestyles are represented at Church..if the Body of Christ was united in it's teaching and recognised the urgency of correct teaching as opposed to compromising the Word for the sake of tolerance, then maybe morality would be taken more seriously amongs the community..it has to start within the Church and the way the Bible is taught. I don't think I'm too out of line with this thinking.

That is an absolute truth.

So which church's interpretation of the truth shall we all rally under? They all think they have it right.

That's the cliche isn't it kross.

A good step in the right direction would be for the folks sitting on the seats in Church to recognise what the Word says (by regular reading, praying, studying) and to be able to discern false teaching when they hear it.

I am a firm believer that if Christians would sit down together, read and study together, they would come to the same understanding together. The problem is, it would cause people who make their living off the divisions to find another line of work. Many of our "Christian leaders" need to have different denomination to make the money they make.

Then again, I have heard some really bad doctrins put forth on this forum by people who will ignor the truth to continue to believe what they want, and others feel I do the same thing.

The best we can do is to continue to go forth and do what we can where we are. Even the issues in the church are beyond our power, and GOD has built the church the way HE has built the church.

Just try to stand on the truth in your church and do what you can where you have influence. Do not take on the big war, just carve out a battle you can win. It is in winning battles that any war is ultimately won.

Love your passion. Do not change.

Thankyou, I appreciate that.

[dcampsart]

i don't know the answer to your question but i saw the daily show one night last week where jon stewart hosted mike huckabee. mr. huckabee rephrased his stance many times but jon stewart still couldn't understand why interracial marriage between races was any different than a homosexual marriage. this generation sees no difference between homosexuals and any other minority group.

You know I have heard this kind of thing before.

Does it say anywhere in the Bible of racial seperation?(in marriage)

Didn't Moses have a black woman as wife?

Yes... he did... an Ethiopian woman. You might find it interesting to read about God's dealing with Aaron and Miriam's speaking against Moses's decision to marry her.