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Because there are so many alternative bible aside from the KJV. I think its good to use the KJV as the best reference bible you can find in terms of accuracy. As it is one of the oldest versions existing. Its view of the Godhead : Father Son, Holy Spirit is clear and not muddled or omitted by some newer versions of the bible And even with that said, people will find argument . And that can be mostly attributed to a persons very own spiritual walk with God. As it is God who gives us His understanding and His commandments become grafted into our hearts when we seek and ask Him to come into our hearts so to heal, teach and renew our spirits into His likeliness. In the book of Timothy, he instructs us how to learn through the bible. 2 Timothy 3:15-17King James Version (KJV) 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Ultimately as christian on our our journey in becoming more and more Gods new creation through Christ Jesus, we come to better understanding of Gods word the more we draw closer to Him on a daily basis by having a daily personal relationship with Him. It is the Holy Spirit of God that teaches us through His Word what we need to know become more and more His new creations. So Everybody is at a different learning curve that is dependent on their personal walk with and in Christ Jesus. It is the holy spirit of God that teaches us and open our understanding to the TRUTH of HIS WOED 2 Timothy 1:13-14King James Version (KJV) 13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 14 That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us. The danger of some newer versions of the Holy Bible is that they have omitted the God head of the FATHER, SON ,HOLY SPIRIT, misleading who Christ Jesus really is. The Jehovah witnesses now have their own bible, why? because its supports their beliefs, that is far away from trinity Godhead of the Father, Son, Holy Spirit being ONE 1 Timothy 4King James Version (KJV) 10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe. 11 These things command and teach. 12 Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity. 13 Till I come, give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine. 14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery. 15 Meditate upon these things; give thyself wholly to them; that thy profiting may appear to all. 16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

The problem with sharing openly your thoughts or in writing , is that satan can also use his little devils and people to do his dirty work and so the more one shares anywhere openly verbally or by writing, they open themselves up also to being attacked. God is stronger than satan, but satan likes to wait until when your are vulnerable to throw his nasty blows at you and uses whatever info he can to try to get on you, so to try and blow you down. satan's only purpose is to: steal, kill, destroy, and he will try to do so any way he can. satan is the counterfeit but will come in all forms to try and deceive as many as he can fool. but satan does not have access to you unless you give him access or permission. Satan comes in us through sin. That is why it is important to confess our sins and ask God for forgiveness of our sins and ask Him to come make His home in our hearts., continue to develop daily a close relationship with Him. That is how God guards our hearts and protects us from the enemy. The strength we as Christians have is our strength and faith in knowing that Gods is on our side and that no weapon formed against us will ever prosper and that if God is on our side , who can be against us? God Works In All Things Romans 8:31 …30And those He predestined He also called, those He called He also justified, those He justified He also glorified. 31What then shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32He who did not spare His own Son but gave Him up for us all, how will He not also, along with Him, freely give us all things?… And even if satan tries... we have our Lord and Savior, our advocate who comes to defend us, cleanse us and transform us more and more into His new creation. All things end up working for Gods Glory. Our faith is what solidifies our strength and renews our hope, despite the arrows and blows from the enemy. When the enemy satan comes (in whatever form ), go directly to God in prayer, and through reading and speaking His Word out loud. Romans 8:28 7And He who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. 28And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers.…

I think as Christians, its important what we openly express out loud, to choose our words carefully. The bible does mention that we are accountable for what we say and it also mentions that the Word of God is our weapon of defense over satan. The way of entry that satan can have is by placing thoughts into our minds. Like a virus, if we entertain them, they can penetrate and begin festering in us. But we do have the Blood of Christ Jesus as a covering of protection as long as we have placed His armor on us. Ephesians ch.6. I try to be careful what I share in the open because of this and certain important things I just keep in silent prayer as God know our hearts even before we utter words out. Satan on the other hand, cannot know our hearts, he only tries to entice us by planting thoughts our way. But we don't have to budge to his thoughts and we can rebuke them in the name of Christ Jesus. Of course satan knows us, knows our week points and uses them to try and make us fall, but He cannot read our private thoughts. So yes I would be careful to share openly certain thoughts that can make you vulnerable to satan's attack.

Hello Randal; I've read through all posts and my opinion is on the side of those choosing to not get further involved, Go repent of your own sins/fornication etc and to take care of your own self, restore back your own heart and soul with God and make sure you have no STD's and go on your knees and thank the good Lord nothing worse happened to your life. It may take a year or so to find out that you are clear of any kind of STD as HIV can lie dormant for a while, so can herpes. and it may even take longer to rebuild your relationship with God. But that is what takes good courage to do and God will restore you back in His favor. About the man who cheated, do you really know this man? He could be a predator type. having social pathological traits living dishonestly in his ways . -Unstable- That makes him unstable and you never know what an unstable man can do. If he finds out you told his wife, he could possible come back after you to harm you. Also the wife may not take to kindly hearing from you and even though you may feel you are innocent of all of this, the wife may not take to kindly to you. Again you do not know what kind of woman she is, or what kind of reaction she may have. She could even come back and try to find you and make your life miserable. There are many different scenarios that could possibly play out if you decide to go ahead and spill the beans to his wife, and they won't be good. There in nothing cowardly of not getting more further involved. Getting further involved in my opinion is really no longer your business and could possibly bring further harm. Unless of course, this man has transmitted STD's to you, then yes you need to inform the wife, again you do NOT have to contact or get involved directly with the wife personally, you can have your doctor call and give her the message that she should get tested to make sure she is o.k. so she can take care of her own health, other than that, in Gods wisdom, I would not go further involved any deeper than you already are in. And if you have no STD's, it may be wiser for you to just silently pray for your own salvation( as your were not correct in fornicating with this man out of marriage) and let go and let God handle in His own way, the lives of this couple you inadvertently got mixed up with. And stay as far away from that married man as possible. Just yesterday there was an American documentary of a woman who found out her husband was cheating on her and found out that the girl who the husband was cheating with was on the highway, so she decided to confront the "other woman" on the highway, by driving up close to her car and asking her to stop her car. the other woman did not stop her car and so the wife decided to ram into the car several times, the husband somehow was on a motorcycle following the vehicles and when he tried to pass his wife's car, he ended up being hit by the wife's car and it through him off the curb and he ended up dying. The wife was accused of murder but finally got only two years in prison under the crime of passion clause. The wife who is now serving a two year prison sentence says she still loves her husband, I doubt she thinks much of the "other woman". Its all pretty crazy, but we live in a very crazy world, with a lot of people who don't follow a christian lifestyle or have a daily living relationship with Christ Jesus in their hearts. Randal, child of God, we live in a CRAZY world satan filled. As Christian we should always be :Living to Please God The bible tells us to lead quiet and peaceful lives. 1 Thessalonians 4:11 …10And indeed, you are showing this love to all the brothers throughout Macedonia. But we urge you, brothers, to excel more and more 11and to aspire to live quietly, to attend to your own matters, and to work with your own hands, as we instructed you. 12Then you will behave properly toward outsiders, without being dependent on anyone.… Also there in the Twelve 12 program, that was once upon a time based on biblical standings that a christian group called the "oxford group" took from the bible to make the 12 Steps to help people find recovery of body soul and mind and that are used in Anonymous recovery groups. Step 9: Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. I believe in your case getting further involved would be going into unknown territory that could possibly back fire. Take care of yourself. There is POWER in prayer. There is POWER in prayer to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus, who told the lady sinner who was about to get stoned until Christ Jesus said: Who among you is without sin cast the first stone, and to the lady caught in sin Christ Jesus said :Go and sin no more lest a worse sin fall upon you. John 8:7 So I am on the side of those telling you NOT to get further involved. In Christ Jesus, Our Lord, Savior, Redeemer; 1to3

I think it supports being both, a model of how we should pray as well a prayer in of it itself .

I believe Christ Jesus the only begotten Son of god, gave us the "our Father "as a blue print to how to pray, (how to communicate to God and how to live our lives as Christians, what we should request when we pray, for salvation to take place in our hearts and soul

About the Lords prayer, It is good advise that Christ Jesus is giving us the blue print to how we should pray to God, covering all aspects of what we should be asking for and praying giving thanks to God. The part where it says: "Lead us not into temptation" I am not sure but maybe something got mixed up in the translations,because God wouod never lead us into temptation. it should rather read: lead us AWAY from temptation as God never ever leads us into temptation, only the devil can- try -to lead us into temptation. satan is the one who -tries- leads us into temptations, God is the ONE who leads us away from temptation and gives us the strength, the spiritual, physical /mental strength to overcome sin/ temptations. God is the One who DELIVERS us from temptation, but never ever leads us into temptation , rather He leads us away from it. And praying to Him, that is what we should be asking Him.: to lead us away from temptation, for He is the ONE who gives us the spiritual, physical/ mental strength to do so First thing when we pray to Him, we are to give honor and praise with reverence towards Him, Agreeing that His will is greater than our own, and are ready to accept His will ovder our own will. Then asking Him if He can help us to do that by providing us the ways :daily bread" to survive, physically. mentally and spiritually stronger and to protect us against evil and to help us to learn to apply forgiveness always in all of life's circumstances, as keeping grudges and resentments are not His will for us, but rather that we also get delivered from that as well. Because if we cannot learn to forgive, than Gods will is NOT working in us and if Gods will is not working in us, neither can He unite with us in heaven, because God is Light and no darkness can come into the light. see: 1 John chapter 1. It is essential for our physical and spiritual health to always practice forgiveness. Resentments are what make us physical/mentally /spiritually sick, and gives satan a way to crawl in. As christian we are called to love one another, that is what Christ Jesus said should stand out in us to everyone even non Christians , by doing so we are truly living by His will and not our own, we are truly living a christian lifestyle that mark us as true Christians. John 13:35 …34A new commandment I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so also you must love one another. 35By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you love one another.

are we not called to also show love to what does not seem lovable? Matthew 5:44 Love Your Enemies …43You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.… Luke 6:27-36King James Version (KJV) 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also. 30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. 31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. 32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them. 33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same. 34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again. 35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. 36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

This can somewhat go with the other parts of the oldtestament that regard the earth as flat and the sun and moon equal in size

Yes I think I can agree with that also. A swim suit would be out of place at a fancy dinner. Well yes or a man walking about without a shirt on, in a conservative upper scale neighborhood. People may not say much, but they are assessing what type of bloke that is.

Do you not understand that many or most women get just as aroused by a good looking guy bare chest with a six pack and muscled up as would guys with a gal. Guys should not go bare chested any more or less than a woman. Just a note here and not trying to add or take away from the discussion. As a woman i would have to agree with Oo. I also think to a degree their is a bit of culture that comes into play. And most definitely, there is a time and a place for different attire. I would not view things to be to weird or even overtly sexual when you go to the beach and see people (men bare chested ,in trunks or speedos or women in bathing suits /bikinis.) It becomes suggestive, sleazy and (low-class gauche) -pardon me-to see people scantily dressed , when the dress attire or lack of it it is out of context/ out of place.

You are NOT mentally ill, you are a child of God whom God loves and wants you well. On the other hand, your family have made you the scapegoat of the family and unfortunately your mother is probably the one who got you dependent on her for her own selfish needs. The whole family set up you are in is completely toxic. You can't change your family but with Gods help you can WAKE -UP back to Christ consciousness. The work that that involves is more to do about allowing the Holy Spirit of God to work within you, by becoming totally honest with yourself and become willing to let God help you to drop all your resentments with your family and learn to not get so affected by them. When you learn this by Gods help working in you, you will become able to distance yourself from those toxic people in your surroundings and family . Right now you are co-dependant. Remaining co-dependant ( with family, friends, co-workers, church members, other) will keep you sick and unhappy Until you understand what that means and break free form it, you will keep setting yourself up for people to walk all over you. This will keep you in a trap. But you can become free and get well. First and most importantly, you need to find back your TRUE self that God always intended for you to be. Until that happens you will be in for a very rough ride that will never get better. I would like to share a site for you to consider: FHU.com This man Roy Master who operates FHU.com (Foundation of human understanding), knows very well your type family problem, and could very much help you. You can also call in his radio advice line at: 1-800 866-8883 or call his office at 1 800 877-3227.

Even solid matter is composed of atoms and in between them energy in movement. So even if an item seems solid it has a vibration. Making certain objects , they still have a vibration and the design the object has is made for the purpose to bring out thought to the viewer. so because of these facts, their can be a potential for demonic vibrations to attach or work withing and surrounding the object Yes certain well established tribes have learnt that their is power within drum beats and that certain drum beats and timbers can bring up certain vibrations and connotations. Some of these are negative, lustful and evil. Even some classical music has evil notes to its composition. Even to one who is unaware of the sounds they can be hypnotized by the sounds and rendered slightly unconscious to the reality of what these notes and sounds are truly trying to evoke in that person. Today with so much media from all over that we are exposed to willingly or unconsciously, we can be influenced and put into a certain hypnotic state. Seeking and clinging to God and looking for Life through Him alone and His Word is our protection to find deliverance, awaking us back to God consciousness and protection. Better to be aware of the dangers ahead. Could perhaps save a soul some life detour.

Hi JTC; I think those who have responded to your topic are people who, even though they may not know exactly how to help you or say the right thing, even so, felt enough from within them, to want to reach out to you and hopefully say something that could possibly bring you some kind of inspiration and hope . This is why I am writing, I don't know if whatever I will say will be of help to you, but i certainly do feel for your concerns and you have expressed them quite well. Because certain things in life can and do go wrong, I too have experienced this to some degree at different times of my life, to be able to relate a little to your concerns.. What I would like to firstly say is please know, you are not alone in ever having felt that nothing was working out and that it would be best just to turn it in. I have been in this place as well as a few people here who also have responded. Some have assessed you perhaps even unfairly, as ,no one truly knows exactly the circumstances that can bring about difficult circumstances. So nobody really is able to give fair judgement as to the (who, what, why s ) of your circumstances. I really appreciated reading Kans health advice to you. It was good advice. Also I believe God is healer not only of our souls but also of our health. I have had to apply both what Kan has said and I still need to keep on in that regard, as well as I have seeked God help through drawing nearer to Him in prayer for my life and health concerns. The best mental health cure for me was to NOT solely rely only on the feedback of "friends". They can be misleading at times. Like in the story of Job. Today I rely mostly on the resources that are available for whatever my concerns may be at any particular time of my life, and if where I go first is not of help, I go elsewhere, if you keep looking, searching, you will find help, the right help for you. But I don't rely to deeply anymore on people on a personal level anymore, just because in my life, when I did that, I was setting myself up to get hurt, to get disappointed. No today, I rely solely on God and when I need help, I go look for resources that can help me. I avoid to get to personally involved with people, because sometimes people especially predator types or desperate types can try to cling to you for their own need and draw all the life out of you if you allow them to. Not everyone is made for marriage, I have come to accept that ( and you also can have a good life on your own) I have come to know this and its wonderful. But I am a bit of a loner, recluse by nature. It is not easy for me to be ultra social, to much of it actually tires me out. I have had my own problems to find ways to cope with, that many people would not understand. And today, it does not bother me anymore weather I am understood to make me feel "worthy" by another. I am understood by God and that is the most important person I want to be aligned with. Also is is very unwise to compare our lives with another s. No one life is the same. We all have a purpose. And not all life purposes are the same. so comparing is not a good -godly- thing to do. Comparing is a form of judgement on something we do not know all about. Only God knows the full story on everyone's life. And about finding someone who can understand? I don't think there is a person alive who can understand another 100% complete. It great when you can find sometimes someone who can relate, but to find someone who can relate to you 1o0% of time is impossible. The position for complete understanding is Gods alone. He can relate to us 100%. And if you hope to find that in a human being, you will always get to be disappointed and you will always be setting yourself up for disappointment. The ONLY ONE who can understand you complete, all the time, is God. The only ONE who knows everything about us is God. And only on Him should we completely turn our complete trust to. People disappoint, and once you get to understand that, you won't be so disappointed anymore in people because you will have come to understand that that's the human nature, it is not perfect ever and is prone to mistake. You got to take care of yourself, because the sad thing is, if you don't you are truly left to the mercy of this world, and then you are setting yourself up for more unfavorable circumstances to come. I have been in hard times, and when I was and tried to find help from people, you will get a lot of advice, but i did not get a lot of hands on help for the things I really needed help with the most. And the funny thing is, when I have felt I needed people the most, they where no where around for me to find. That is when I went strait to God and asked Him for help. God does provide, His Holy spirit can guide you to find the resources you need and He will also place people in your life, perhaps only for a certain time, to help you grow and learn from. God did that for me. About being alone? Join the club. lol. There are so many people who are alone, with no families. Sometimes that may even be a blessing. lol. Of course it would be great if everyone had a loving family and caring family members to rely on in good and bad times, but for some, it just may not be the case. And of course since its not the best surviving case to be in ( to be alone with no family), you have to be especially extra careful to take care of yourself and not allow blood suckers into your life to try and steal away you very last breath. Because there exist predator people like that are allover the place. I understand wanting to give up, I have been there and who knows, I may still in the future be in that place again. Its a dark place to be in. I pray God that if ever I am again in that dark place, that He place in my heart and mind, the memory to remember of His Love Mercy and Grace and the remembrance of all that He has already granted me in the past and that , He wants to keep granting to me his Mercy and Grace as long as I follow the course (His course) of believing in Him to the end ( that means, without taking ones life). He has already provided for me when I least expected it. Praise God! He has also physically healed me. Praise God! ( if He can do this for me , He can certainly do this for you.) God loves you just as He loves me. Praise God! To have experienced these two things, when I get dark thoughts, now, I right away remember all the good things He has done in my life that were truly miraculous. God IS TRUE. the devil is a liar and always trying to deceive, always trying to make you find doubt. Don't listen to the devil . Say instead: "No weapon formed against me shall prosper." God will provide a way, we must believe this, because that is His promise and He does not brake His WORD. God keeps His promises. We just have to keep the faith, keep faithful to Him and His promises will come to be, because the are. What has helped me learn about human nature, about people, about myself? I found this man Roy Masters, who has explained human nature in his radio talk shows that has greatly helped me understand people and has helped me to become less of a doormat and more in control of my thoughts and emotions in a Godly way. Now I am not advocating that everything this man has to say is 1o0% correct, I take from him his knowledge of human nature and how to get about life without allowing people to get to you . You can listen to him from his site FHU.com. From him , I take his comprehension and explanation concerning human behavior. The spiritual side of it I go to the bible and my daily relationship with God. But from this man I learned how to not get so effected by other people, and I have learned to help myself . For healing, I have found the Earnest Angley site to be very helpful in there bible beleiving teachings. They are located in Ohio. If I was American and in troubled circumstances, this is the place I would move to and try to become a full time member in that ministry. They have members working in their cafeterias, they have members being part of their choir, they have member musicians, they also have very strong prayer warriors. Through their 24hrs prayer line, I have received numerous times healing. I would have to say that this ministry helped me to grow the most in the Lord. I definitely would recommend this Jesus ministry. Their Prayer line :450 294-2524 I try to take the best of what I can from different resources. Charles Stanley has had many very valuable sermons on depression, loosing Hope. You can also listen online to his sermons for free. also with the Earnest Angley ministry you can listen to his audio sermon for free online. As well as FHU.com, you can listen to his free radio shows and also he has a Sunday conversation where you can listen to his talks. I have learned a lot by these ministries, they have helped me to understand many, many things. Its all about living daily in the Lord, and to focus on Him to deliver us and guide us instead of focusing on people for the things only God can truly understand and help us with. I will be keeping you in prayer, prayinh for you for a complete overall healing in ALL your concerns, in the blood name of Christ Jesus I pray complete healing for you JTC. Amen! Amen! Amen!

Welcome Starlight77 to Worthy I appreciate your question as it it giving some very good answers. The answer that confirmed to me that taking ones life is truly not in our best interest is the response from Hazard. When a person is thinking about taking ones life, many times that person is not in their right frame of mind. God knows the condition of every one of our hearts. God is the final judge. All we as Christians truly need know and seek to know is how to keep our own heart geared towards Gods and His plan of Salvation always. That passage from Corinthians, certainly made my opinion stronger that suicide would not be a good idea. Last week I spoke to a secular christian, and he is right now taking care of his father who has dementia and he told me, that, if he himself had the first signs of having dementia, he would ask the doctors to euthanize him. I am glad that I read this thread as now I have a very clear bible passage to show to my secular friend, that it is not a good idea, and hopefully this will draw my friend closer to the Lord.

Hello Sight; Simply put, restoration in Christ Jesus, begins the moment you begin to seek Him, ask Him for forgiveness, and sincerely desire with all your heart to want to know Him more and more. Restoration began with the sinner also dying on the cross next to Christ Jesus at Calvary, who asked Jesus to forgive him and Christ Jesus assured him that he would be with Him in Heaven. Christ Jesus forgave him and said from this day onwards, that he would be with Him. Restoration began with the women who was about to be stoned and Christ Jesus stood up and asked who among any is without sin, cast then the first stone, and because all knew they had sin in their hearts, they left and then the women thanked Christ Jesus asked Christ Jesus for forgiveness and Christ Jesus said :your sins are forgiven, now go and sin no more. Restoration begins when we desire from the heart to turn away from sin , our sinful life and begin living a daily relationship with God our Holy Father, through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God living in our hearts once we ask for forgiveness and invite Him to come make His home in our hearts . That is when restoration begins It was by repentance and by faith in trusting that Christ IS who He said that He is, that began the restoration process within that man, that woman and any other coming to Him just as they are and asking to forgive and restored them back into the wholesome child of God that they where always intended to be. Our restorations begins with our very own personal relationship and walk with God through His Holy Plan of Mercy and Grace, through His only begotten Son Christ Jesus, through His Holy Spirit working in our hearts, once we repented and asked God to come make His home in our hearts, and through the reading of His WORD written in the Holy Bible. Through these we become, new creations, restored into His Grace. I have been restored step by step ( and its still a work in progress) by God working in my heart,body,soul by cleansing my heart at each step of the way that I seek to know Him and desire to get closer to Him. forgiving my soul and convicting my soul, my consciousness with His Christ consciousness now living inside of me as I keep in relationship to Him on a daily basis and continue to seek His will in my life everyday instead of choosing the ways of the world. Firstly I had to recognize that I am a sinner and in need of a help much greater than myself to be able to forgive me, change me, heal me. It is by coming to Him and beginning a conversation with Him , with sincerity of heart, that the process of restoration begins. through listening more and more to the Word of God, I began to understand more and more, many things about life and about what healthy wholesome living is all about. In order to get any help or restoration, I had to first open my heart, and look to God and ask Him for His Truth and ask Him about the Holy Bible and begin to believe that the God of the Holy Bible, IS the ONE TRUE GOD of ALL and that HE truly could help me be restored. This required from me a little bit of faith in believing that Christ Jesus IS who He said He IS and that the Holy Bible is the truth, the way, and the life that God intended for all of us to have. In Christ Jesus; 1 to3

I John1:8,9,10 -8 If we say we have no sin, we decieve ourselves and the truth is not in us. -9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. -10 If we say that we have not sinned,we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. John ch1 :1,2 -1 In the beginning was the WORD and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -2 He (Christ Jesus) was in the beginning with God. John 14 :6 -6 Christ Jesus said the them: I AM the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. No one comes to the FATHER except through Me. John 16 :7,8 Christ Jesus said: -7 "Nevertheless I tell you the TRUTH, It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the HELPER will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send HIM to you. -8 "And when He does come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness and of judgment. Only God the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit are COMPLETELY SINLESS. 1John ch1 :5 -5 This is the message which we have heard from HIM and declare to you that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all

God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, so that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. -whoever believes in Him- to believe in someone is to have FAITH and TRUST in someone John 3:16 Christ Jesus said: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Parable of the Sower found in Mark ch4 and in Matthew 13 1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore. 3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow; 4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up: 5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth: 6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them: 8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? 11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. 12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. 13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. 14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: 15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them. 16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. 17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them. 18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower. 19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side. 20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it; 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended. 22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful. 23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. The Parable of the Weeds 24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? 28 He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? 29 But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn. The Parables of the Mustard Seed and the Yeast 31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field: 32 Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. 33 Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened. 34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: 35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world. The Parable of the Weeds Explained 36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field. 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. 44 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl 45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: 46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it. The Parable of the Net 47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: 48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. 49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, 50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord. 52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. A Prophet Without Honor 53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed thence. 54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works? 55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? 56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? 57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. 58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief. King James Version (KJV) ----------------------- Matthew 7:13-14 Christ Jesus said: 13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Proverbs 14:12 …11The house of the wicked will be destroyed, But the tent of the upright will flourish. ***12There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.*** 13Even in laughter the heart may be in pain, And the end of joy may be grief.… Matthew 7:22 Christ Jesus said: …21Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.’…

For sure Lucifer/satan and 1/3 of the angels that rebelled with him are NOW fallen angels They HAVE BEEN cast down, Lucifer can NO LONGER be on the HOLY MOUNTAIN OF GOD Ezekiel 28 16 - By the abundance of your trading You became filled with violence within, And you SINNED; THEREFORE I cast you as a PROFANE thing OUT of the Mountain of God And I destroyed you, O covering Cherub From the midst of the fiery stones. Before his rebellion and sin, Lucifer's position as a powerful covering cherub (a special class of angels), on the Holy Mountain of God, is confirmed in Ezekiel 28:14 - 15. While still obedient, God put him on the earth with certain responsibilities. He then, with one third of all the angels that existed, decided to rebel against God (Revelation 12:3 - 4). The Eternal tossed Satan from his heavenly abode when he and his angels arrived to attack it, as Jesus witnessed. The devil clearly was removed from heaven. Christ Jesus himself saw him fall Luke 10:18 17The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.” 18So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19See, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will harm you.… One foundational Bible verse that gives us a time frame for when Satan was cast out of heaven is in the verse in Luke 10:18 Christ Jesus stated he personally witnessed this momentous event which occurred with all the quickness and power of lightning. He was literally ejected from God's throne long before what happened in Genesis in the garden of Eden when Eve and then Adam were tempted. Satan's revolt took place when he was on the earth. Our Maker states, in Isaiah 14, that he planned to ASCEND to the third heaven where his throne resided (meaning he was not already there!). And what would our Father's adversary DO once he arrived at the very center of all power and authority? He would mount on all-out assault, with his army of demonic followers, to FORCIBLY take control of God's throne so that he could rule everything (Isaiah 14:13 - 14)! Isaiah 15 - yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, to the lowest depths of the pit. It does appear, however, that the devil will once again try to rise up from the earth to attack God's headquarters, only to get thrown down yet again (Revelation 12:7 - 9). ,with his twisted helpers known as demons, to try to take control of the entire universe. The second of three attempts Satan will try to rule creation will happen prior to Jesus' return to earth ( just before the Great Tribulation begins and just before his Second Coming) (the third being after the millennium when he is loosed for a season - see Revelation 20:7- 9) About fallen angels...and this earth They are roaming about looking to see who they can steal kill and destroy. John 10:10 They are spoken of in ephesian chap 6 Ephesians 6King James Version (KJV) 6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. 2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise; 3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. 4 And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord. 5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; 6 Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; 7 With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: 8 Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. 9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.*** ***11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.*** 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. 21 But that ye also may know my affairs, and how I do, Tychicus, a beloved brother and faithful minister in the Lord, shall make known to you all things: 22 Whom I have sent unto you for the same purpose, that ye might know our affairs, and that he might comfort your hearts. 23 Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen.

Why is divination like rebellion? Because it goes against waiting patiently upon the Lord, trusting in Gods WORD ALONE, trusting that God and His WORD is sufficient. Looking to divination is looking for FAST RESULTS to our SELFISH questions. It has nothing to do with God nor of how GOD wants to have a relationship with us and us with Him. Divination is tying to tap into the spiritual realm to get questions answered fast It is a sign of impatience Impatience is a lack of Godly LOVE God is patient and He gives HIS children the gift of patience that brings along with it the virtue of wisdom. There is no virtue , no wisdom in being impatient. There is no virtue in straying form Gods WORD TRUE faith in GOD is willing to submit to Him , place all our TRUST in HIM and HIS WORD and NOT rebel against it. Divination IS rebelling against GODS WORD, it is going to demons to seek for answers... nothing good comes out of that

Yes i have been reading up on Nimrod: Nimrod was one of the sons of Kush. Kush was the son of Ham, the lowest and least important of Noah's three sons. Nimrod came from a line which was cursed by Noah: "Cursed be Canaan, a slave of slaves shall he be unto his brothers." By birth, Nimrod had no right to be a king or ruler. But he was a mighty strong man, and sly and tricky, and a great hunter and trapper of men and animals. His followers grew in number, and soon Nimrod became the mighty king of Babylon, and his empire extended over other great cities. more can be found:http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/112333/jewish/Nimrod-and-Abraham.htm ------------------------------------ Two key figures in the origin of Christmas are Nimrod, a great grandson of Noah, and his mother and wife, Semiramis, also known as Ishtar and Isis. Nimrod, known in Egypt as Osiris, was the founder of the first world empire at Babel, later known as Babylon (Genesis 10:8-12; 11:1-9). From ancient sources such as the "Epic of Gilgamesh" and records unearthed by archeologists from long-ruined Mesopotamian and Egyptian cities, we can reconstruct subsequent events. After Nimrod's death (c. 2167 BC), Semiramis promoted the belief that he was a god. She claimed that she saw a full-grown evergreen tree spring out of the roots of a dead tree stump, symbolizing the springing forth of new life for Nimrod. On the anniversary of his birth, she said, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts under it. His birthday fell on the winter solstice at the end of December. A few years later, Semiramis bore a son, Horus or Gilgamesh. She declared that she had been visited by the spirit of Nimrod, who left her pregnant with the boy. Horus, she maintained, was Nimrod reincarnated. With a father, mother, and son deified, a deceptive, perverted trinity was formed. Semiramis and Horus were worshipped as "Madonna and child." As the generations passed, they were worshipped under other names in different countries and languages. Many of these are recognizable: Fortuna and Jupiter in Rome; Aphrodite and Adonis in Greece; and Ashtoreth/Astarte and Molech/Baal in Canaan. During the time between Babel and Christ, pagans developed the belief that the days grew shorter in early winter because their sun-god was leaving them. When they saw the length of the day increasing, they celebrated by riotous, unrestrained feasting and orgies. This celebration, known as Saturnalia, was named after Saturn, another name for Nimrod. i took this from:http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/388/Nimrod.htm

Oh thank you, that allows me to understand better. : ) ok so some are cast into the earth, and some are still bound in chains to be released at a later date. Thank you for this explanation

Yes, thanks to AbbJoy I got to liscen to a you tube video with Anthony Patch. But he is talking about that CERN may try to bring up Nimrod? a nephilim?

The fallen angels : Genesis ch6: 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. 7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- So, i am also learning as I go... So the demons we see today in the world are the offspring of angels and women= nephilim what about the fallen angels were are they? Are they not also roaming around the earth and air? I always thought that the fallen angels were now called demons, but now with the teachings about nephilim, I an understanding that demons are only nephilim? so what are the fallen angels called? are they not also demons? like Lucifer now called satan, fallen angels are now called demons? or is it that fallen angels remain fallen angels because they do have a spiritual body and therefore cannot possess someone, only spirit demons =nephilem with no bodies can possess someone? Am i understanding this correctly?

HAPPY Birthday KPAUL! With Gods Blessings ,may He keep protecting you, guiding you,and keeping you safe under His wings. Have a wonderful day in Him!