Judging Others

[~Shalhevet~]

1 Corinthians 6:3

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Paul does not tell us what we will be judging them about though ...

This is all it says? Sorry, I don't have a Bible nearby.

[OneLight]

1 Corinthians 6:3

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Paul does not tell us what we will be judging them about though ...

This is all it says? Sorry, I don't have a Bible nearby.

When I am online, I use http://www.biblegateway.com/. It is fast and very useful. You can change the bible version to see what others say.

[Sir Gareth]

Something I wnted to expand on.

We need to point out people's sin in a loving way and do it out of love.

If I'm pointing out your sins simply because i feel important doing so, or because it makes me feel better about myself that is wrong. Our goal needs to be leading people from sin to salvation, not sin to guilt.

[humbleseeker]

I judge, what I see, but I use discrection on how to deal with things I may be judging depending on the situation. One thing I never judge is a persons salvation as in when someone dies if they are going to heaven or hell. I also dont like to judge non Christians, because that not my place.

[Fez]

1 Corinthians 6:3

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Paul does not tell us what we will be judging them about though ...

This is all it says? Sorry, I don't have a Bible nearby.

1Co 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?

1Co 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?

1Co 6:3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!

1Co 6:4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?

1Co 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,

1Co 6:6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?

1Co 6:7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? (ESV)

There you go

Blessings

[Shiloh62]

By Nikki1

Christians are to judge behaviour or sinful activity. How else are we to determine who these people are if we do not look at sinful activity and make some sort of judgment on it and the person(s) involved in it? Far to often, I see Matthew 7:1 misinterpreted and taken out of context.

When Jesus told us not to judge in Matthew 7:1, he was talking about not judging hypocritically. He clarifies this when further in the passage, Jesus says

Matthew 7:2-5

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus is warning against judging someone else when you yourself are sinning just as bad or even worse, and this is the kind of judgment Jesus is talking about in Matthew 7. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his duty as a Christian to confront the person on it. Jesus said in

Matthew 18:15-17

15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

By JCISGD Judging is only when a sentence is passed such as saying "you will never change you lazy slob". The judging is in the curse that says the person will never change, but if they are lazy and a slob then that is only telling the truth. If that was said without love or the words "worthless" added that too would be judging.

Another form of judging is to assign motives to the other person. We are not God and do not know others heart or motive. We can ask outright "are you being nasty" or say "I think you are being nasty"

Christians must defend true doctrine and must rebuke sin, this clear throughout OT and NT.

If someone calls me an adulterer or sinner etc, i will want to find out if there is any truth to their claim but why should I take offense. If they are right they have spared my soul, and if they are wrong Gods peace will descend on me.

Taking offense is in clear opposition to the sermon on the mount by our Lord.

By Mr. & Mrs. Mikejudging? that is what we are to do, starting with ones own self.... the Bible does not tell us not to judge, but to judge righteously..... and how would one do that?

for if we can not judge the small things on this earth, how are we going to judge the angels?

What measure is a person using to judge? me? I try to stick with the Word of God, for that is the strictest measure there is, thus, it will also be what is use to judge me.... even if I do not use it to judge, it will still be used to judge me.......

before I start hounding my neighbor to pick up the trash in his back yard, I need to ensure the trash in my back yard is picked up and that the trash that is in his back yard is not something that blew over from my back yard..... (plank and speck issue...)

what constitutes sexual imorality? a woman with holding from her husband for years? or a woman that is phyically cheating? Adultry can even be taken as turning away from ones spouse, as God refered to Israel, that Israel is commiting adultry against God by turning her back on God, turning away from her first love....... as with one of the 7 churches turning away from their first love......

abuse? any kind of abuse is abuse all the same.... if a spouse abuses their parther, a man abusing his wife or wife her husband, no matter what kind, is showing there is not love in that relation shipe from the abuser..... a person can not and will not harm something or some one that they love.....

if you love your car, you will not be out taking a sledge hammer to it every day, no , more likely you will be washing and waxing it to preserve it.....

the same is true with a spouse, if a person loves their spouse, they will be taking care of the spouse, 100% give.... ensuring the spouse iswell tended.....

I can go on, but have done so before....

I do not condone divorce, but I do not condemn it either.... I have been there, I also know that divorce is not one of the unforgivable sins..... even though it is treated as such by many many many people and denominations, even though the rate is 50:50 in and out of the church....

HOWEVER......

it is proven that if a man prays out loud for his wife, daily, so that she hears him, and if the wife prays out loud for her husband every day, the rate goes from 50:50 to 1:1000.... that is right, if they do this, the rate becomes 1 out of 1000 that will end in divorce...... heck of a difference

mike

I am bringing these over from another thread to start this topic.

Are Christians allowed to judge other people? I was always told never to judge. Thoughts??

I have this manager at work that is always talking about Jesus, but does absolutely nothing in her life to be an effective witness. Maybe that's why she talks all the time. She will spend 3 hours in the morning talking about her personal life to anyone that will listen while everyone else is trying to do their work, but if anyone else wants to speak, she'll rudely cut off the person we are speaking to and say "hechele gas!"(hurry up) Go to work. I hate to call anyone a hypocrite, but this lady is rude to the customers, mean to her employess, and always has the "mightier than thou" attitude.She constantly condemns those she doesn't like, and critisizes those she doesn't understand.If you try to engage her in an intelligent conversation, or ask a pertinent question, she gets offended and sulks. She spends most of the day sitting in her ofice resting, not willing to help the others,and when she finally emerges from her slumber, she'll say, Hurry Up! you are behind schedule,after you have been slaving all morning trying to get your work done and she never lifts a finger to help

A few weeks ago, she had to take off a couple of weeks because she was having medical problems. No one wanted to go visit her to see how she was doing, so finally I got a card, and asked everyone to sign it, then I took it to her.When I knocked on the door, her husband answered,and when he told her I was there, she said "what does he want? Tell him to get out of here. I don't want to talk to him." I never spoke to her after that.

[Rick-Parker]

1 Corinthians 6:3

Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?

Paul does not tell us what we will be judging them about though ...

This is all it says? Sorry, I don't have a Bible nearby.

1Co 6:1 When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints?

1Co 6:2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases?

1Co 6:3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life!

1Co 6:4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church?

1Co 6:5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers,

1Co 6:6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers?

1Co 6:7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? (ESV)

There you go

Blessings

The only Angels we will judge will be those who fell in with Satan. Gods Angels are sinless and need not be judged.

[nikki1]

By Nikki1

Christians are to judge behaviour or sinful activity. How else are we to determine who these people are if we do not look at sinful activity and make some sort of judgment on it and the person(s) involved in it? Far to often, I see Matthew 7:1 misinterpreted and taken out of context.

When Jesus told us not to judge in Matthew 7:1, he was talking about not judging hypocritically. He clarifies this when further in the passage, Jesus says

Matthew 7:2-5

2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

Jesus is warning against judging someone else when you yourself are sinning just as bad or even worse, and this is the kind of judgment Jesus is talking about in Matthew 7. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his duty as a Christian to confront the person on it. Jesus said in

Matthew 18:15-17

15Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

By JCISGD Judging is only when a sentence is passed such as saying "you will never change you lazy slob". The judging is in the curse that says the person will never change, but if they are lazy and a slob then that is only telling the truth. If that was said without love or the words "worthless" added that too would be judging.

Another form of judging is to assign motives to the other person. We are not God and do not know others heart or motive. We can ask outright "are you being nasty" or say "I think you are being nasty"

Christians must defend true doctrine and must rebuke sin, this clear throughout OT and NT.

If someone calls me an adulterer or sinner etc, i will want to find out if there is any truth to their claim but why should I take offense. If they are right they have spared my soul, and if they are wrong Gods peace will descend on me.

Taking offense is in clear opposition to the sermon on the mount by our Lord.

By Mr. & Mrs. Mikejudging? that is what we are to do, starting with ones own self.... the Bible does not tell us not to judge, but to judge righteously..... and how would one do that?

for if we can not judge the small things on this earth, how are we going to judge the angels?

What measure is a person using to judge? me? I try to stick with the Word of God, for that is the strictest measure there is, thus, it will also be what is use to judge me.... even if I do not use it to judge, it will still be used to judge me.......

before I start hounding my neighbor to pick up the trash in his back yard, I need to ensure the trash in my back yard is picked up and that the trash that is in his back yard is not something that blew over from my back yard..... (plank and speck issue...)

what constitutes sexual imorality? a woman with holding from her husband for years? or a woman that is phyically cheating? Adultry can even be taken as turning away from ones spouse, as God refered to Israel, that Israel is commiting adultry against God by turning her back on God, turning away from her first love....... as with one of the 7 churches turning away from their first love......

abuse? any kind of abuse is abuse all the same.... if a spouse abuses their parther, a man abusing his wife or wife her husband, no matter what kind, is showing there is not love in that relation shipe from the abuser..... a person can not and will not harm something or some one that they love.....

if you love your car, you will not be out taking a sledge hammer to it every day, no , more likely you will be washing and waxing it to preserve it.....

the same is true with a spouse, if a person loves their spouse, they will be taking care of the spouse, 100% give.... ensuring the spouse iswell tended.....

I can go on, but have done so before....

I do not condone divorce, but I do not condemn it either.... I have been there, I also know that divorce is not one of the unforgivable sins..... even though it is treated as such by many many many people and denominations, even though the rate is 50:50 in and out of the church....

HOWEVER......

it is proven that if a man prays out loud for his wife, daily, so that she hears him, and if the wife prays out loud for her husband every day, the rate goes from 50:50 to 1:1000.... that is right, if they do this, the rate becomes 1 out of 1000 that will end in divorce...... heck of a difference

mike

I am bringing these over from another thread to start this topic.

Are Christians allowed to judge other people? I was always told never to judge. Thoughts??

I have this manager at work that is always talking about Jesus, but does absolutely nothing in her life to be an effective witness. Maybe that's why she talks all the time. She will spend 3 hours in the morning talking about her personal life to anyone that will listen while everyone else is trying to do their work, but if anyone else wants to speak, she'll rudely cut off the person we are speaking to and say "hechele gas!"(hurry up) Go to work. I hate to call anyone a hypocrite, but this lady is rude to the customers, mean to her employess, and always has the "mightier than thou" attitude.She constantly condemns those she doesn't like, and critisizes those she doesn't understand.If you try to engage her in an intelligent conversation, or ask a pertinent question, she gets offended and sulks. She spends most of the day sitting in her ofice resting, not willing to help the others,and when she finally emerges from her slumber, she'll say, Hurry Up! you are behind schedule,after you have been slaving all morning trying to get your work done and she never lifts a finger to help

A few weeks ago, she had to take off a couple of weeks because she was having medical problems. No one wanted to go visit her to see how she was doing, so finally I got a card, and asked everyone to sign it, then I took it to her.When I knocked on the door, her husband answered,and when he told her I was there, she said "what does he want? Tell him to get out of here. I don't want to talk to him." I never spoke to her after that.

Blessings Shiloh62

Talking about Jesus is not proof that a person has saving faith, as Jesus said in Matthew 7:22

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And Jesus said, regarding these people:

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:23

Even these people Jesus is using as an example, who claimed to do miracles in his name did not have saving faith and Jesus will turn away.

These are some of the hypocrits Jesus is speaking about, IMO. Then there are those who are afraid of tribulation and persecution and won't defend their faith in Jesus, but will put everything else before him for fear of losing their job, their comfortable lifestyle, social rejection by their peers and friends, or whatever.

For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Matthew 16:26

Nikki

[MorningGlory]

I have this manager at work that is always talking about Jesus, but does absolutely nothing in her life to be an effective witness. Maybe that's why she talks all the time. She will spend 3 hours in the morning talking about her personal life to anyone that will listen while everyone else is trying to do their work, but if anyone else wants to speak, she'll rudely cut off the person we are speaking to and say "hechele gas!"(hurry up) Go to work. I hate to call anyone a hypocrite, but this lady is rude to the customers, mean to her employess, and always has the "mightier than thou" attitude.She constantly condemns those she doesn't like, and critisizes those she doesn't understand.If you try to engage her in an intelligent conversation, or ask a pertinent question, she gets offended and sulks. She spends most of the day sitting in her ofice resting, not willing to help the others,and when she finally emerges from her slumber, she'll say, Hurry Up! you are behind schedule,after you have been slaving all morning trying to get your work done and she never lifts a finger to help

A few weeks ago, she had to take off a couple of weeks because she was having medical problems. No one wanted to go visit her to see how she was doing, so finally I got a card, and asked everyone to sign it, then I took it to her.When I knocked on the door, her husband answered,and when he told her I was there, she said "what does he want? Tell him to get out of here. I don't want to talk to him." I never spoke to her after that.

Some people are just so wound up in themselves they are unreachable. I would never speak to her again either but.....I would pray for her to see that she has no friends and desperately needs Jesus.

[OneLight]

I have this manager at work that is always talking about Jesus, but does absolutely nothing in her life to be an effective witness. Maybe that's why she talks all the time. She will spend 3 hours in the morning talking about her personal life to anyone that will listen while everyone else is trying to do their work, but if anyone else wants to speak, she'll rudely cut off the person we are speaking to and say "hechele gas!"(hurry up) Go to work. I hate to call anyone a hypocrite, but this lady is rude to the customers, mean to her employess, and always has the "mightier than thou" attitude.She constantly condemns those she doesn't like, and critisizes those she doesn't understand.If you try to engage her in an intelligent conversation, or ask a pertinent question, she gets offended and sulks. She spends most of the day sitting in her ofice resting, not willing to help the others,and when she finally emerges from her slumber, she'll say, Hurry Up! you are behind schedule,after you have been slaving all morning trying to get your work done and she never lifts a finger to help

A few weeks ago, she had to take off a couple of weeks because she was having medical problems. No one wanted to go visit her to see how she was doing, so finally I got a card, and asked everyone to sign it, then I took it to her.When I knocked on the door, her husband answered,and when he told her I was there, she said "what does he want? Tell him to get out of here. I don't want to talk to him." I never spoke to her after that.

Usually, those that are like this have a lot of hurt in their lives, empty and feeling unwanted. Show her the love of Christ instead of feeling rejected. Onlu love can break a heart of stone.