Is Jesus God?

[Byron A]

Science convinced me of the Trinity concept.

If you apply science to something as basic as the trinity, then you have to apply science to every word you read in the bible. Can't have it both ways..

Faith convinced me.

What you are saying is that one has to read the bible, apply science and then believe.

The true facts are one believes through faith, is saved through faith, and reads the bible true faith.

Nothing else but faith is required. As soon as we start looking for more, we are going down a path we should not...

I agree that nothing but faith is required. However, when two alternatives have Scriptures to back them up (such as Trinitarian vs Unitarian), how do you pick which position to accept?

As an Anglican/Episcopalian, I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason. The Scientific Method is simply an extension of Reason.

God bless you!

[Fez]

Science convinced me of the Trinity concept.

If you apply science to something as basic as the trinity, then you have to apply science to every word you read in the bible. Can't have it both ways..

Faith convinced me.

What you are saying is that one has to read the bible, apply science and then believe.

The true facts are one believes through faith, is saved through faith, and reads the bible true faith.

Nothing else but faith is required. As soon as we start looking for more, we are going down a path we should not...

I agree that nothing but faith is required. However, when two alternatives have Scriptures to back them up (such as Trinitarian vs Unitarian), how do you pick which position to accept?

As an Anglican/Episcopalian, I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason. The Scientific Method is simply an extension of Reason.

God bless you!

I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason.

I have to disagree. I believe we only need Scripture to give us the truth. The problem we find is that people read scripture differently.

Problem with tradition is that it is a human construct. Hence it is flawed from the outset.

Same goes for reason. Reason is mostly based on latter experience, and that experience is usually based on a singular past (our own). Who is to say that past was righteous, or that we learned anything from it, because those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

So scripture is the only truth, and what all believers should have is a good grasp of hermeneutics. I think it is the first thing we should learn before mining the bible for truth, otherwise our tools are blunt and our lamps dim, if you get my drift.

[Byron A]

Science convinced me of the Trinity concept.

If you apply science to something as basic as the trinity, then you have to apply science to every word you read in the bible. Can't have it both ways..

Faith convinced me.

What you are saying is that one has to read the bible, apply science and then believe.

The true facts are one believes through faith, is saved through faith, and reads the bible true faith.

Nothing else but faith is required. As soon as we start looking for more, we are going down a path we should not...

I agree that nothing but faith is required. However, when two alternatives have Scriptures to back them up (such as Trinitarian vs Unitarian), how do you pick which position to accept?

As an Anglican/Episcopalian, I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason. The Scientific Method is simply an extension of Reason.

God bless you!

I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason.

I have to disagree. I believe we only need Scripture to give us the truth. The problem we find is that people read scripture differently.

Problem with tradition is that it is a human construct. Hence it is flawed from the outset.

Same goes for reason. Reason is mostly based on latter experience, and that experience is usually based on a singular past (our own). Who is to say that past was righteous, or that we learned anything from it, because those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

So scripture is the only truth, and what all believers should have is a good grasp of hermeneutics. I think it is the first thing we should learn before mining the bible for truth, otherwise our tools are blunt and our lamps dim, if you get my drift.

The New Testament clearly teaches us that the apostles gave us traditions. 2 Thes 2:15, 2 Tim 2:2.

By tradition I don't mean rituals or customs. I am referring to the teachings the apostles gave to their successors, and they passed on to their successors, and so on. Also note that I do not accept all teachings that have been handed down as apostolic. I do however, accept the Nicene and Apostles' creeds as genuine summaries of Apostolic tradition, and also accept the theological decisions of the ecumenical councils of the undivided church (that is, the first seven councils) to be the same. These do not contradict Scripture. At least, not a correct interpretation of Scripture.

In regenerate man, Reason is trustworthy, as the mind has been transformed by the Holy Spirit.

[Fez]

Science convinced me of the Trinity concept.

If you apply science to something as basic as the trinity, then you have to apply science to every word you read in the bible. Can't have it both ways..

Faith convinced me.

What you are saying is that one has to read the bible, apply science and then believe.

The true facts are one believes through faith, is saved through faith, and reads the bible true faith.

Nothing else but faith is required. As soon as we start looking for more, we are going down a path we should not...

I agree that nothing but faith is required. However, when two alternatives have Scriptures to back them up (such as Trinitarian vs Unitarian), how do you pick which position to accept?

As an Anglican/Episcopalian, I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason. The Scientific Method is simply an extension of Reason.

God bless you!

I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason.

I have to disagree. I believe we only need Scripture to give us the truth. The problem we find is that people read scripture differently.

Problem with tradition is that it is a human construct. Hence it is flawed from the outset.

Same goes for reason. Reason is mostly based on latter experience, and that experience is usually based on a singular past (our own). Who is to say that past was righteous, or that we learned anything from it, because those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

So scripture is the only truth, and what all believers should have is a good grasp of hermeneutics. I think it is the first thing we should learn before mining the bible for truth, otherwise our tools are blunt and our lamps dim, if you get my drift.

The New Testament clearly teaches us that the apostles gave us traditions. 2 Thes 2:15, 2 Tim 2:2.

By tradition I don't mean rituals or customs. I am referring to the teachings the apostles gave to their successors, and they passed on to their successors, and so on. Also note that I do not accept all teachings that have been handed down as apostolic. I do however, accept the Nicene and Apostles' creeds as genuine summaries of Apostolic tradition, and also accept the theological decisions of the ecumenical councils of the undivided church (that is, the first seven councils) to be the same. These do not contradict Scripture. At least, not a correct interpretation of Scripture.

In regenerate man, Reason is trustworthy, as the mind has been transformed by the Holy Spirit.

In regenerate man, Reason is trustworthy, as the mind has been transformed by the Holy Spirit.

Well that depends I guess, what doctrine one follows. Reason has to have a baseline, and it is the baseline that directs eventual reasoning. A Catholic, or an Episcopalian, or born again Charismatic, would all reason from a different platform.

Scripture is the only truth.

And again, looking at 2 Thes 2:15

The Thessalonians were told to hold onto in their Christian beliefs, to hold fast the traditions which they had been taught, or the doctrine of the gospel, which had been delivered by Paul, either by word or letter.

But....

People still have differing versions of doctrine.

Scripture is the only truth, not reason, nor the doctrine many practice along with the dogma.

[Byron A]

Science convinced me of the Trinity concept.

If you apply science to something as basic as the trinity, then you have to apply science to every word you read in the bible. Can't have it both ways..

Faith convinced me.

What you are saying is that one has to read the bible, apply science and then believe.

The true facts are one believes through faith, is saved through faith, and reads the bible true faith.

Nothing else but faith is required. As soon as we start looking for more, we are going down a path we should not...

I agree that nothing but faith is required. However, when two alternatives have Scriptures to back them up (such as Trinitarian vs Unitarian), how do you pick which position to accept?

As an Anglican/Episcopalian, I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason. The Scientific Method is simply an extension of Reason.

God bless you!

I believe that we have three sources of truth that work together to help us find the truth. Scripture, Tradition, and Reason.

I have to disagree. I believe we only need Scripture to give us the truth. The problem we find is that people read scripture differently.

Problem with tradition is that it is a human construct. Hence it is flawed from the outset.

Same goes for reason. Reason is mostly based on latter experience, and that experience is usually based on a singular past (our own). Who is to say that past was righteous, or that we learned anything from it, because those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.

So scripture is the only truth, and what all believers should have is a good grasp of hermeneutics. I think it is the first thing we should learn before mining the bible for truth, otherwise our tools are blunt and our lamps dim, if you get my drift.

The New Testament clearly teaches us that the apostles gave us traditions. 2 Thes 2:15, 2 Tim 2:2.

By tradition I don't mean rituals or customs. I am referring to the teachings the apostles gave to their successors, and they passed on to their successors, and so on. Also note that I do not accept all teachings that have been handed down as apostolic. I do however, accept the Nicene and Apostles' creeds as genuine summaries of Apostolic tradition, and also accept the theological decisions of the ecumenical councils of the undivided church (that is, the first seven councils) to be the same. These do not contradict Scripture. At least, not a correct interpretation of Scripture.

In regenerate man, Reason is trustworthy, as the mind has been transformed by the Holy Spirit.

In regenerate man, Reason is trustworthy, as the mind has been transformed by the Holy Spirit.

Well that depends I guess, what doctrine one follows. Reason has to have a baseline, and it is the baseline that directs eventual reasoning. A Catholic, or an Episcopalian, or born again Charismatic, would all reason from a different platform.

Scripture is the only truth.

And again, looking at 2 Thes 2:15

The Thessalonians were told to hold onto in their Christian beliefs, to hold fast the traditions which they had been taught, or the doctrine of the gospel, which had been delivered by Paul, either by word or letter.

But....

People still have differing versions of doctrine.

Scripture is the only truth, not reason, nor the doctrine many practice along with the dogma.

This is getting us nowhere. Lets just agree that we both agree on the Trinity, shall we?

[nChrist]

I firmly believe in the Holy Trinity as a Bible Fact beyond question and testified to throughout the Holy Bible.

I also view the Holy Bible to be the ultimate TRUTH - used to measure other truths or falsehoods. I would measure the traditions of men with the Holy Bible to see if they are true or false. When in doubt, go back to God's Word - the unquestioned TRUTH.

[nChrist]

The Godhead - Also Known As The Holy Trinity

God The Father - 1st Person Of The Holy Trinity

God The Son (Jesus Christ, The Word) - 2nd Person Of The Holy Trinity

God The Holy Spirit (Holy Ghost) - 3rd Person Of The Holy Trinity

Three Unique Personages Of God - Yet One

John 1:1-3 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:1-3 AMP IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. [isa. 9:6.] 2 He was present originally with God. 3 All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being.

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John 1:14 KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:14 AMP And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth. [isa. 40:5.]

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John 14:6-7 KJV Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:6-7 AMP Jesus said to him, I am the Way and the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by (through) Me. 7 If you had known Me [had learned to recognize Me], you would also have known My Father. From now on, you know Him and have seen Him.

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Philippians 2:5-11 KJV Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Philippians 2:5-11 AMP Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:] 6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained, 7 But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being. 8 And after He had appeared in human form, He abased and humbled Himself [still further] and carried His obedience to the extreme of death, even the death of the cross! 9 Therefore [because He stooped so low] God has highly exalted Him and has freely bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, 10 That in (at) the name of Jesus every knee should (must) bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 And every tongue [frankly and openly] confess and acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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1 John 5:7 KJV For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

1 John 5:7 AMP So there are three witnesses in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One;

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Jesus Christ was and is God - One with God The Father and God The Holy Spirit. The Godhead (Holy Trinity) is Eternal with no beginning and no ending. The Godhead (Holy Trinity) is the Creator - not the created. This is an unquestioned fact stated many ways in the Holy Bible - God's Word. The only way to dispute this basic Bible Fact is to use a book other than the Holy Bible. Those who do reject God and are unbelievers. Further, God rejects them.

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Matthew 10:32-33 KJV Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 10:32-33 AMP Therefore, everyone who acknowledges Me before men and confesses Me [out of a state of oneness with Me], I will also acknowledge him before My Father Who is in heaven and confess [that I am abiding in] him. 33 But whoever denies and disowns Me before men, I also will deny and disown him before My Father Who is in heaven.

[Shiloh62]

On another site I recently realized not every Christian believes Jesus to be God. Some claim He is the perfect representation of God, but not actually God. They say that even a child knows the father can not also be the son. They think the trinity concept is unreasonable. I proceeded to give many scriptures supporting my belief that Jesus is, in fact, God. I also gave OT and NT verses showing the concept of the trinity. I thought I'd bring up the question here to see what Scriptures can be used to prove (or disprove) Jesus as God, just in case I missed any.

So, I ask: Is Jesus God?

yes and no

[Fez]

Science means knowledge

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

The Heavens Declare His Glory

You are quoting out of context. The beginning of knowledge applies to knowledge of Him and His will, not of science. A lot of science that is practiced today runs counter to scripture.

[Shiloh62]

Science means knowledge

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

The Heavens Declare His Glory

You are quoting out of context. The beginning of knowledge applies to knowledge of Him and His will, not of science. A lot of science that is practiced today runs counter to scripture.

amen,fez- I have always considerd science to actually be the opposite of God and the knowledge of Him. Those who always need an explanation have no faith.