Judge: Natl Day Of Prayer Unconstitutional

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Judge: Natl Day Of Prayer Unconstitutional

April 15, 2010 - 4:49 PM | by: Mike Levine

The National Day of Prayer, honored in the United States for more than a half-century, is unconstitutional, a federal judge in Wisconsin has ruled.

In a 66-page opinion issued Thursday, U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb said the holiday violates the "establishment clause" of the First Amendment, which creates a separation of church and state.

"I understand that many may disagree with that conclusion and some may even view it as a criticism of prayer or those who pray," Crabb said in her opinion. "That is unfortunate. A determination that the government may not endorse a religious message is not a determination that the message itself is harmful, unimportant or undeserving of dissemination."

The opinion comes in a case filed by the Freedom From Religion Foundation, a Wisconsin-based group of self-described "atheists" and "agnostics."

Crabb said her ruling is based on "relevant case law," and it does not prevent religious groups from organizing prayer services or prevent the President from discussing his views on prayer.

"The only issue decided in this case is that the federal government may not endorse prayer in a statute," Crabb said.

The Justice Department would not say whether it expects to appeal Crabb's ruling.

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[Matthitjah]

I really don't think these folks have ever actually read the Constitution or any of our founding documents for that matter.

What's going to follow, if we don't turn this tide, is Christian persecution. One can see it coming.

The Good news is that the Church is never stronger than when she's under persecution. Revival is coming.

[Steve_S]

I really don't think these folks have ever actually read the Constitution or any of our founding documents for that matter.

What's going to follow, if we don't turn this tide, is Christian persecution. One can see it coming.

The Good news is that the Church is never stronger than when she's under persecution. Revival is coming.

I agree. The establishment cause is to protect the church FROM the state. It's being used to attempt to separate people from God.

[rising from the ashes]

I really don't think these folks have ever actually read the Constitution or any of our founding documents for that matter.

What's going to follow, if we don't turn this tide, is Christian persecution. One can see it coming.

The Good news is that the Church is never stronger than when she's under persecution. Revival is coming.

I agree. The establishment cause is to protect the church FROM the state. It's being used to attempt to separate people from God.

I agree... ... and that is something that will be disputed nobody likes to hear that our nations forefathers were devoted christian men. They may have been Pentecostals, or Catholic, or I draw a blank for the name of the church of England... the point is they were devoted men.

Your brother in Christ

Logan Durrett

[MorningGlory]

I agree. The establishment cause is to protect the church FROM the state. It's being used to attempt to separate people from God.

Right. The National Day of Prayer doesn't advocate just Christian prayer. It's for ALL religions, even pagan ones. I believe it's constitutional as long as the government doesn't promote or advocate a specific religion or faith. This judge is constitutionally challenged.

[OneLight]

It appears to me that the meaning of the constitution has not changed, but how one reads it. When a Godly person reads it, they see the forefathers meaning. When the ungodly reads it, they see it in a different light. In today's world, the ungodly outnumber the Godly largely. It is not the constitution that has changed, but how one interprets it, through the eyes of the ungodly.

[Matthitjah]

Alan.

Exactly, and as the Nation becomes more and more ungodly and immoral we will turn more and more from the path of Righteousness, sadly.

Here's a quote from my Patriots Bible;

................Beware lest you be consumed by one another

Galatians 5:15

A Constitution for Moral People

John Adams (1735-1826) is one of Americas Founding Fathers and served as the second President of the United States. In an October 1798 letter to the Militia of Massachusetts, he stated:

We have no Government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whole goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the Government of any other.

Peace,

Dave

[Guest]

Hello,

I belive this is one thread I definately would want to reply to. Although I have had some very radical beliefs of the government of our country...I've mellowed quite a bit lately. As far as this national day of prayer...I don't really have anything to say about that, whether this country has a day designated for prayer(for all people of many different beliefs), I do want to post something that came to mind as I was reading this thread.

Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5: 16 - 22

I was remembering a friend who shared with me specifically about.."pray continually," in that I should have an attitude of prayer with me, at a moment's notice, so to speak...taken literally would be a very difficult task...just my thoughts on this.

God bless,

Randal

[Guest]

Hello,

I belive this is one thread I definately would want to reply to. Although I have had some very radical beliefs of the government of our country...I've mellowed quite a bit lately. As far as this national day of prayer...I don't really have anything to say about that, whether this country has a day designated for prayer(for all people of many different beliefs), I do want to post something that came to mind as I was reading this thread.

Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

Do not put out the Spirit's fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good. Avoid every kind of evil. 1 Thessalonians 5: 16 - 22

I was remembering a friend who shared with me specifically about.."pray continually," in that I should have an attitude of prayer with me, at a moment's notice, so to speak...taken literally would be a very difficult task...just my thoughts on this.

God bless,

Randal

Amen!

[jesussaves]

It appears to me that the meaning of the constitution has not changed, but how one reads it. When a Godly person reads it, they see the forefathers meaning. When the ungodly reads it, they see it in a different light. In today's world, the ungodly outnumber the Godly largely. It is not the constitution that has changed, but how one interprets it, through the eyes of the ungodly.

Amen