Sabbath or Sunday ?

[New_Wineskin]

Wow! All this for which day to worship. I can not, for the life of me, ever understand why it matters. Are we not to worship Him every day and in all that we do?

Yeah, it makes you wonder why God wrote in stone if it doesn't matter . . .

It makes me wonder why He allowed it to be smashed to pieces before it was read if it did matter .

I am just saying ... I found it a bit ironic that people look at the fact that it was written in stone as if it were to be eternal and yet , it didn't survive it's first reading/listening .

[BlindSeeker]

This subject is a matter of conscience and no matter what each person decides, I'm not going to condemn anyone but as a matter of factual accuracy, this statement is just wrong.

I believe the Lord's day is everyday. There is nothing in the scriptures that prove which day of the week it is, specifically.

The reason why Yeshua appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week was because it had been ordained since the foundation of time that He would arise on the Feast of Firstfruits which had always been (and still is) on the first day of the week following the Passover. This is a very significant day where the High Priest (Yeshua) waves the first sheafs of the crops and that action guarantees the harvest.

Then the growing season begins.

The disciples continued meeting on the Sabbath (friday evening until saturday evening) and still do to this day. I doubt that gentiles would have felt welcomed in synagogues since the jewish disciples were eventually being kicked out themselves so the talmidim (disciples) were unable to observce shabbat with their newly converted gentile brothers.

The solution was a motza-shabbat (End of the Sabbath) meeting and that is what is described when Paul met with the believers on the "first day of the week" and preached until midnight. It was a Saturday evening.

I actually came to faith through studying this. I was an atheist who wanted to prove that christians weren't interested in the truth. I'm satisfied that I was mostly right about that but have also come to understand that christians are at least keeping the spirit of the law even if they've missed the letter of it.

But the most important thing is that we do not condemn each other and that we do not let this issue divide us as it divided jews from gentiles in the early centuries.

The early "church" became predominantly gentile rather quickly since jews make up less that 1% of the worlds population. Once that happened the prejudices and bias of men began to arise and it wasn't long before the "church" became extremely hostile towards jews. Anyone who really wants to know the truth can easily find this statement to be accurate.

There is a paper trail showing how these things were changed specifically because they wanted nothing to do with the jews. In other words, things like sabbath and easter were intentionally changed so the jewish heritage of the christian faith would be eliminated.

To continue in that error without recognizing its roots is tragic because it is only a continuation of anti-semitic persecution. The "church" still does far too many things simply because of european "church" tradition. Traditions of themselves aren't inherently wrong...but we shouldn't put tradition over truth.

Well said.

[BlindSeeker]

I am glad you see

[BlindSeeker]

Wow! All this for which day to worship. I can not, for the life of me, ever understand why it matters. Are we not to worship Him every day and in all that we do?

Yeah, it makes you wonder why God wrote in stone if it doesn't matter . . .

It makes me wonder why He allowed it to be smashed to pieces before it was read if it did matter .

I am just saying ... I found it a bit ironic that people look at the fact that it was written in stone as if it were to be eternal and yet , it didn't survive it's first reading/listening .

Maybe to prove its necessity.

God also made man a living soul to live forever. Why if Adam was just going to sin and thus die?

Why does God allow many things . . . . and what logic is that to discover truth with?

[Wrench]

This subject is a matter of conscience and no matter what each person decides, I'm not going to condemn anyone but as a matter of factual accuracy, this statement is just wrong.

I believe the Lord's day is everyday. There is nothing in the scriptures that prove which day of the week it is, specifically.

The reason why Yeshua appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week was because it had been ordained since the foundation of time that He would arise on the Feast of Firstfruits which had always been (and still is) on the first day of the week following the Passover. This is a very significant day where the High Priest (Yeshua) waves the first sheafs of the crops and that action guarantees the harvest.

Then the growing season begins.

The disciples continued meeting on the Sabbath (friday evening until saturday evening) and still do to this day. I doubt that gentiles would have felt welcomed in synagogues since the jewish disciples were eventually being kicked out themselves so the talmidim (disciples) were unable to observce shabbat with their newly converted gentile brothers.

The solution was a motza-shabbat (End of the Sabbath) meeting and that is what is described when Paul met with the believers on the "first day of the week" and preached until midnight. It was a Saturday evening.

I actually came to faith through studying this. I was an atheist who wanted to prove that christians weren't interested in the truth. I'm satisfied that I was mostly right about that but have also come to understand that christians are at least keeping the spirit of the law even if they've missed the letter of it.

But the most important thing is that we do not condemn each other and that we do not let this issue divide us as it divided jews from gentiles in the early centuries.

The early "church" became predominantly gentile rather quickly since jews make up less that 1% of the worlds population. Once that happened the prejudices and bias of men began to arise and it wasn't long before the "church" became extremely hostile towards jews. Anyone who really wants to know the truth can easily find this statement to be accurate.

There is a paper trail showing how these things were changed specifically because they wanted nothing to do with the jews. In other words, things like sabbath and easter were intentionally changed so the jewish heritage of the christian faith would be eliminated.

To continue in that error without recognizing its roots is tragic because it is only a continuation of anti-semitic persecution. The "church" still does far too many things simply because of european "church" tradition. Traditions of themselves aren't inherently wrong...but we shouldn't put tradition over truth.

Well said.

I agree!

[OneLight]

I am glad you see

[Arthur Durnan]

The Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath was given specifically to the literal nation of Israel according to Exodus 20 under the Mosaic Covenant. Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated again in the Pauline Epistles re the Church of Jesus Christ. Only the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath is omitted. There's an exceptionally outstanding reason why it's omitted: Israel is not the Church. Further, there is no such entity anywhere in the Holy Bible known as "Seventh-day Adventism." This is a 19th-century term initiated by the 19th-century founder of "Seventh-day Adventism," Ellen Gould Harmon White, who fallaciously thot that Emperor Constantine changed the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath to the New Testament Sunday. To the contrary, the disciples of Jesus were worshipping Him & meeting together for communion on Sunday, the first day & the Day of Resurrection, long before the parents of Constantine brought him into the world!

[BlindSeeker]

The Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath was given specifically to the literal nation of Israel according to Exodus 20 under the Mosaic Covenant. Nine of the Ten Commandments are repeated again in the Pauline Epistles re the Church of Jesus Christ. Only the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath is omitted. There's an exceptionally outstanding reason why it's omitted: Israel is not the Church. Further, there is no such entity anywhere in the Holy Bible known as "Seventh-day Adventism." This is a 19th-century term initiated by the 19th-century founder of "Seventh-day Adventism," Ellen Gould Harmon White, who fallaciously thot that Emperor Constantine changed the Jewish Seventh-day Sabbath to the New Testament Sunday. To the contrary, the disciples of Jesus were worshipping Him & meeting together for communion on Sunday, the first day & the Day of Resurrection, long before the parents of Constantine brought him into the world!

I cannot find but one point of agreement and that being Israel is not the Church. Israel had its civil leaders and its spiritual leaders.

The rest can be refuted . . . but as you see by the length of the thread, I sure it has already.

[James M]

Hey Suz! (here we are again)

I have an answer.

The Sabbath was a sign for the Israelites, a shadow of things to come. So much emphasis was put on it because it was their sign or seal of the covenant God made with them when he gave them the law. Please read Deut. 5:1-4 and then note that the 10 commandments follow. It says those that are here today, not our fathers but us that are alive today. I, for one, was not there.

We are sealed with the Holy Spirit, that is our sign, those of us that believe. The Sabbath mandated a day to cease from work and it was law.

The cross offers cessation from work and it is a gift. Jesus said "It is finished." No more laws for the righteous. The law was made for the unrighteous, Israel had rejected God over and over and were rebellious and their hearts were hardened. The stone of the law was for their stoney hearts, but we have been given hearts of flesh and renewed minds, we walk according to the Spirit, He is our guide and helper, He reveals all we need to do. If we are saved, we don't follow a list of rules, we listen to the indwelling Holy Spirit! We are changed! Glory!

Amen, Dad! Celebrate Jesus EVERYDAY! Praise Him 24/7 not 1/7th!

Then shall we throw out the whole of the Ten Commandments because we (talk like we) walk in tha Spirit? Does the First Commandment apply? does the Second? Should we as Man Choose what we like in God's word or even twist His Word to our own needs?

The Sabbath was made for Man and Man is the master of the Sabbath, but , it is also written that Jesus did not come to abolish the Law. If . we disregard one Commandment from God we disregard them all. Until, God tells me to stop obeying His laws I will follow what He says.

Shall Christians be agaist God, because we Believe in Jesus; I SAY NAY!

Are we turning away from God, Prayer will tell.

Edifacation= ed-u-ca-tion

In the hope that the Love of God shall shine in your life

James

[James M]

Greetings All,

Word Sower is "RIGHT ON!!!" Jesus IS our Sabbath's rest and I REST "In Him" every day of the week. MY "works" are over for it is Christ's WORKS that shall continue and are pleasant in the sight of God. So HE is the Lord of My Sabbath.

I can't stand these sabbatarians who try to shove this down anyone's throat. They just convince me they DO NOT know the Lord of MY Sabbath. If they want to worship on the physical Sabbath, that is fine and dandy, as long as they keep it to themselves. If you want to worship on any day of the week, go ahead pick one or several, I think that is just great and wonderful and scriptural.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

And what About Jesus? Shall Christian keep HIm to ourselves also? Shall we also break the other commandments? Shall we throw out everything God said and live without God also? Doesn't the Spirit convict people anymore when we speak or think things against the Word?

Concerned about Jesus , and God; not Man!