WE (citizens) must show I.D. when........

[Yankee_Pride]

Yankee, Our issue is not the people coming over. Our issue is with ILLEGAL Aliens.My wife is a legal resident, from Norway, she has a green card. I do not mind any one here legally. The issue is with illegals that come over and do not follow the laws, pay taxes, or even pay for health care. Not to mention the Drug cartels and lord that are killing and raping innocents. Also biblical culture is not biblical law. Invaders of any sort are unwelcome. Many of these some with some sense of invasion. I have had illegals tell me that Mexico was better and the United States, and we should all speak Spanish. An invader mindset is unwelcome. A visitor, or even an immigrant is welcome with open arms, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think this would have been the same in bible times as well.

I understand that but who says they are Illegal Us or God ?

[MorningGlory]

Yankee, Our issue is not the people coming over. Our issue is with ILLEGAL Aliens.My wife is a legal resident, from Norway, she has a green card. I do not mind any one here legally. The issue is with illegals that come over and do not follow the laws, pay taxes, or even pay for health care. Not to mention the Drug cartels and lord that are killing and raping innocents. Also biblical culture is not biblical law. Invaders of any sort are unwelcome. Many of these some with some sense of invasion. I have had illegals tell me that Mexico was better and the United States, and we should all speak Spanish. An invader mindset is unwelcome. A visitor, or even an immigrant is welcome with open arms, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think this would have been the same in bible times as well.

I understand that but who says they are Illegal Us or God ?

We say they're illegal and God has commandments against stealing, coveting your neighbor's property, killing and lying. Think about the trespassers that sneak over the border and then think about those commandments. Does anything strike you?

[Believer1997]

Yankee, Our issue is not the people coming over. Our issue is with ILLEGAL Aliens.My wife is a legal resident, from Norway, she has a green card. I do not mind any one here legally. The issue is with illegals that come over and do not follow the laws, pay taxes, or even pay for health care. Not to mention the Drug cartels and lord that are killing and raping innocents. Also biblical culture is not biblical law. Invaders of any sort are unwelcome. Many of these some with some sense of invasion. I have had illegals tell me that Mexico was better and the United States, and we should all speak Spanish. An invader mindset is unwelcome. A visitor, or even an immigrant is welcome with open arms, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think this would have been the same in bible times as well.

I understand that but who says they are Illegal Us or God ?

Sorry Yankee - I think you are missing home plate here... They are God's children as we all are - but they are breaking the law if they are not in this country abiding by the laws of the country. If they participate in state and federal programs using illegal documents and receive money from the U.S. Taxpayers - they are not being honest, that is stealing (God doesn't look too kindly on that). More than anything - illegal entry into our nation creates a risk to the safety and stability of our country. All illegals are not here with a desire to work at Pizza Hut and clean hotel rooms or work in the fields... many of these illegal aliens have formed networks of means to get access to the nation to traffic drugs and human beings - that is breaking our law and further endangering not only Americans, but those who are being held in human bondage. So - they are breaking our laws. If they want to be law-abiding taxpayers - they need to take the legal steps to do that. If they don't - they need to return to their own countries.

By the way - Welcome to the Forum.

[oldzimm]

I got an ID, I GOT AN ID ............................I got an ID that all states should support Arizona, that way we all can tell the Federal Government to either do their job and start cracking down on illegals or we will.

[MorningGlory]

I got an ID, I GOT AN ID ............................I got an ID that all states should support Arizona, that way we all can tell the Federal Government to either do their job and start cracking down on illegals or we will.

[other one]

Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does

Because the folks that are pushing open borders are trying to set up the North American Union, by combining Canada, Mexico and the US into a three state mega nation of sorts. They want open economies, borders and if possible a single currency. At least that's what they wrote about in the early seventies when the push for this started in earnist..

If 'they' wrote about this 40 years ago......what became of it?

NAFTA

GAT

Let unsafe Mexican trucks drive on our roads

and all along not inforcing our borders.

They are still trying to find a way to do their fancy highways across the USA from Mexico to Canada. This is to bypass the ports in California where unionized labor run the costs of importing up.

Just something that they have slowly done in the background.

[other one]

Yankee, Our issue is not the people coming over. Our issue is with ILLEGAL Aliens.My wife is a legal resident, from Norway, she has a green card. I do not mind any one here legally. The issue is with illegals that come over and do not follow the laws, pay taxes, or even pay for health care. Not to mention the Drug cartels and lord that are killing and raping innocents. Also biblical culture is not biblical law. Invaders of any sort are unwelcome. Many of these some with some sense of invasion. I have had illegals tell me that Mexico was better and the United States, and we should all speak Spanish. An invader mindset is unwelcome. A visitor, or even an immigrant is welcome with open arms, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think this would have been the same in bible times as well.

I understand that but who says they are Illegal Us or God ?

It is the Constitution that says so.......

[Isaiah 6:8]

Yankee, Our issue is not the people coming over. Our issue is with ILLEGAL Aliens.My wife is a legal resident, from Norway, she has a green card. I do not mind any one here legally. The issue is with illegals that come over and do not follow the laws, pay taxes, or even pay for health care. Not to mention the Drug cartels and lord that are killing and raping innocents. Also biblical culture is not biblical law. Invaders of any sort are unwelcome. Many of these some with some sense of invasion. I have had illegals tell me that Mexico was better and the United States, and we should all speak Spanish. An invader mindset is unwelcome. A visitor, or even an immigrant is welcome with open arms, as long as they follow the laws of the land. I think this would have been the same in bible times as well.

I understand that but who says they are Illegal Us or God ?

We do, We also say speeding is illegal, we say that certain drugs, are illegal, we also say that passing over a double yellow is illegal, we say a lot of things are illegal that are not biblical, is this wrong?

How about not paying your taxes? How about not paying your medical bills, is this okay by the Lord? These things are common among the "Innocent" illegals who are not committing other crime.

Also many do not pay taxes yet take advantage of tax paid programs. One friend's of mines daughter said this " I wish I was Mexican so I could get free lunch too" so taking something, that they did not pay for, is this not stealing!

Lets not forget that the innocent people who want to work over here that put themselves in grave danger when the are illegal, They are either paid lower wages, or even taxed using a false social, and not getting any of that back, they are often treated as slave labor. Employers do not have to pay for their workmen's comp, nor do they have to pay extra for safety products. Also undocumented people are higher targets of rape and abduction, as many fear going to the police.

So yes we make the laws. They are not necessarily wrong.

To see my full thoughts on the subject, read..

[Shiloh62]

1. Pulled over by the police.

2. Making purchases on a department store credit card.

3. When showing up for a doctor's appointment.

4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.

5. When applying for or renewing a driver's license or passport.

6. When applying for any kind of insurance.

7. When filling out college applications.

8. When donating blood.

9. When obtaining certain prescription drugs.

10. When making some debit purchases, especially

if out of state.

11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.

I'm sure there are more instances, but the point is that we citizens of the USA are required to prove who we are nearly every day!

Why should people in this country illegally, be exempt!!!!! (Hint: they're against showing I.D. because THEY have something to hide!)

Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does (Especially Mexico!)?

Go ARIZONA !!!

amen TX sister

[Bold Believer]

Why shouldn't we guard our borders as closely as every other country in the world does

Because the folks that are pushing open borders are trying to set up the North American Union, by combining Canada, Mexico and the US into a three state mega nation of sorts. They want open economies, borders and if possible a single currency. At least that's what they wrote about in the early seventies when the push for this started in earnest..

The push to which you refer began about 1973 or later...right after the publishing of the Humanist Manifesto 2. I don't believe in coincidence. If you read the HM2, you will see that it is in fact the source of many of the laws and treaties which have been popping up in the world since that time period. Interestingly enough, Roe v Wade was also decided in 1973. There IS a connection.

The Constitution's Fourth Amendment tells us:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

2. Making purchases on a department store credit card.

3. When showing up for a doctor's appointment.

4. When filling out a credit card or loan application.

6. When applying for any kind of insurance.

7. When filling out college applications.

10. When making some debit purchases, especially out of state.

11. When collecting a boarding pass for airline or train travel.

Are all violations of the Fourth Amendment. The agencies and entities requesting the information have no right to it. It smacks of 'papieren bitte'* circa 1933.

*papieren bitte: the Nazi bureauocracy's demand for identification to German citizens during the 12 years of the Nazi regime 1933-1945; the phrase means 'papers please.'