Burn a Qu'ran Day...

[OneLight]

But change is what we should strive for.

2 Corinthians 3:18

But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.

[Guest man]

It's not MY Burn a Qu'ran Day and it IS all about being afraid. I don't fear them; they could only kill my body.

So it doesn't bother you that innocent people could lose their lives over this?

If you're not afraid, why not hold your own Qu'ran burning party? Capture it all on video and upload it to some of their websites. Put it on youtube for the world to see.

[OneLight]

Romans 12:1-2

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

So often we want to fight fire with fire, as the world does. If Christ is our example, show me one place where Jesus did unto others as they did unto Him.

[OneLight]

Romans 12:1-2

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

So often we want to fight fire with fire, as the world does. If Christ is our example, show me one place where Jesus did unto others as they did unto Him.

I can't give an example where Jesus did, but God certainly did retaliate in the Old Testament. Look at how God dealt with the Egyptians for what they did to Israel when they were guests in their nation. He completely destroyed them. Look what he did to Sodham and Gommorah, when their evil deeds were known to God in heaven. Look how quickly he destroyed them after they tried to force the angels. We are living under a differen't covenant today, but you cannot say God never promotes retaliating against his enemies. In addition to that, you cannot discount what Jesus is going to do to his enemies according to Revelation, first through plagues, and finally through Armageddon. Then there comes a final judgement at the end of the millenial reign.

Are we living according to the rule of the OT or did Jesus come to bring us a new covenant?

Edited to comment on your last point. We are not God to decide when enough is enough. That choice is His and His alone. We are commanded to love people as Christ loved us, not to live as the world lives.

If you look hard enough, you can certainly find scripture that tells us to do many things to another if they do wrong to us, but again, are we under the law? Did not Christ tell us to give to a thief out shirt if he asks for our jacket, or should we turn to the OT and make the thief pay all that the law required?

Where is your heart? Is it in revenge or in forgiveness?

[kuhugaboots]

well I think there is a time and a place and a person.

it probably not the right time, yet. but only God knows if told others to do it! that part we are not to judge our brothers over . he may want a bunch of radicals and tuffies who were willing to go down for what they believe in .... a free american dedicated to God...in the prison system to take it down. we don't know that.

there is a place if he told someone to do it and a place they are to do that also ..

but mostly there is a person..

someday Elijahs or Moses of our day 144000 plus 2 ... will come and be screaming " what is your god on the can" at them too.. but they will be able to call fire from heaven on anyone they wish .. so until we can do that I think we better just share His love with them because that is all we got to work with, because that is all he has given in our tool boxes..... but we have to keep working on that fire thing..

Edited August 1, 2010 by kuhugaboots

[OneLight]

Revelation is of Christ, not us, and it is He will bring it to pass, Are you Christ to do the Fathers bidding? Tell me, is the Holy Spirit telling you do burn a Qu'ran or is the flesh enticing you do take such a stand?

It is said in Exodus 22:18 ... You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

Are we to go out and put to death all who practice such?

[MorningGlory]

It's not MY Burn a Qu'ran Day and it IS all about being afraid. I don't fear them; they could only kill my body.

So it doesn't bother you that innocent people could lose their lives over this?

If you're not afraid, why not hold your own Qu'ran burning party? Capture it all on video and upload it to some of their websites. Put it on youtube for the world to see.

I suggest you go back and read post # 60, man. And, if you think I WOULDN'T do exactly what you describe, you are seriously mistaken. I don't fear any muslim.

[OneLight]

Revelation is of Christ, not us, and it is He will bring it to pass, Are you Christ to do the Fathers bidding? Tell me, is the Holy Spirit telling you do burn a Qu'ran or is the flesh enticing you do take such a stand?

It is said in Exodus 22:18 ... You shall not permit a sorceress to live.

Are we to go out and put to death all who practice such?

Let me deal with the sorceress first. Israel's laws were based on the law of Moses, which means some kind of penalty had to be imposed to enforce the laws of the land. If the United States wants to make witchcraft illegal, and decides the death penalty is appropriate for such an offense, I am fine with it.

You can see through your own words that you are referring to the world, where Christ tells us that we are not of the world. You are using examples that derive from pre-Christ ideals. That was my point and you brought it out nicely. We are not to live by the law as Moses did, but through the example of Christ, where you had already mentioned that Jesus never did, nor promoted such an act. May I ask, are you fine with other ungodly laws?

It didn't occur to me to burn a Qu'ran a day, until I read the original post by MorningGlory, so I suppose you could say she is enticing me to take such a stand? Let's examine what she is really suggesting? She said the Qu'ran is a book promoting a false religion, and she is right. She suggested we destroy one of these evil books a day. I don't remember her suggesting we go to the news media with the idea? She just suggested that each one we burn is one small amount of evil removed from the world. That is no differen't than the people taking Jehovah's Witness literature and trashing it or burning it so it won't fall into the hands of someone who might be deceived. The going public seemed to be as a result of the comments in the thread. Even I don't see any reason to do this as a public display unless it is in retaliation for an assault on the Christian Bible, so at least for now, nobody is enticing me to do this in public, not even MorningGlory.

The question then arises as to where are we to obtain these books? Do we purchase them where through our purchasing put money back into their hands to do more evil? The evil is not the written book, but in the heart of those who take from the book and live it out. How do we rid ourselves of this evil? This example is like spitting on a forest fire trying to extinguish the massive flame. A waste of time that could be better spent showing these people the love of Christ compared to their hate for the infidels.

I am adding this to my original post. Apparently the article does indicate this should be done in public, so that is what MG is suggesting? If the people in this church feel that is the way to go, I support their right to protest, but dont' feel compelled to do this, at least for now. I might at a later time.

I personally question the leadership of such a body of believers. God does not go against His own word. When I can find in scripture that Christ did so, then His example would lead me to follow. Yet, as you stated, there is no such example to be found, bringing us back to my original question ...

[other one]

All Muslims deserve salvation as much as anyone on this board. Burning their holy book is no way to approach them with the gospel. All you'll accomplish is to make them hate you with a passion.

If you want to do what is right, take the gospel to them and show them who Jesus really is and what he has to offer, and they will put their books away.

If they do not accept the gospel, even then, burning their books will only make them hate you more and be all the more driven to kill and destroy

BTW Butero, the Talmud and Kabbalah does teach that those who call Jesus the Son of God, and teach that Jesus is God/a God should be beheaded. It's been 20+ years since I had access to a good copy of an unabridged Talmud, so I really can't tell you exactly where it's located. It is very interesting reading if you can find a good one somewhere. Everyone should read it, though it took me two years to do so. You will learn much about what the religion of modern Babylonian Talmud Judaism is, and more so how much it is not the religion of Moses.

Since this site is geared toward Jewish Evangelism, I don't think it very prudent for us to get into great details of it, any more than burning a Quaran. All it will do is instill hate and discontent.

[cornergas]

Should the Jewish Talmud also be burned? It also denies that Christ is the Messiah. Doesn't that mean that the Talmud is also promoting a false religion? By reasoning on this thread by a couple of people, burning literature used by a false religion is perfectly acceptable because they are worshiping a false God. How far do you want to carry this scenario?

If someone wants to burn the Talmud, I suppose they will do so with or without our permission? There is a difference in the Talmud and the Qu'ran. The Talmud is based on worship of Jehovah, but based on the Old Testament. The Qu'ran is based on the worship of a false god named Alah. The Talmud isn't teaching people to kill those of other religions they don't agree with. We are not being attacked by Jewish extremists going about performing suicide bombings. I would not burn the Talmud because there is some value in it, with regard to understanding Jewish customs, and giving insight into the law of Moses. I would destroy the Qu'ran because it is a book that insights our enemies to attack us, and has no redeeming value.

Hi....Allah is the Muslim translation for God, just as Yahweh is the Jewish term for God,...they both profess to be following the God of Abraham..only difference is the branch off of Ishmael for Muslims and Isaac for Hebrew/Israeli/Jewish...now to profess burning the Muslim holy book, is what I consider to be an act of total depravation, and cast total negativity on Chrisitanity (as if there are not enough negatives already)..and such a terrible reaction is no way to win converts..the Muslims are still living through the crusades centuries ago, and now the aggression of the US military invading and killing them. I think on that basis they are being really restrained in their actions.. This church in Florida is totally out of line, and not acting in a Christian manner with this talk..besides..who really committed the 9/11 attacks...sure was not organized and planned by Muslims...look at the facts, and quit blaiming the wrong people! God bless us all