Sabbath

[nebula]

Well, if I can ever have a job or change in the job(s) I have so that I don't have to work on Saturday. . . .

[Fez]

Act 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away

Long journeys were prohibited by the law on the Sabbath, Exodus 16:29.

Exo 16:29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

This was 2,000 paces or cubits, or seven furlongs and a half - not quite one mile.

So if you observe the Sabbath, do you not take more than 2,000 paces as well?

[mizzdy]

Act 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away

Long journeys were prohibited by the law on the Sabbath, Exodus 16:29.

Exo 16:29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

This was 2,000 paces or cubits, or seven furlongs and a half - not quite one mile.

So if you observe the Sabbath, do you not take more than 2,000 paces as well?

Fez, where do you get a length of space or 2,000 paces from this? The reference to the two days of bread comes right out of the exodus when God gave them two days worth of mana on Friday. The whole 'you cannot walk this far' and such come from rabbinical Judaism. The Sabbath is a day of rest that God gave to His children for all generations. I am also one who keeps the Sabbath and no I don't normally take a walk, but you know I can when I want, I can get in the car and go to the store if I really need to, I don't pay bills, do business unless its an emercency, I can use the phone and the internet, all those things, to make it a legalistic kinda day is not what God intended but a day of rest from work, a day to be with family etc. but thats me and this is what God has lead me to do.

[Fez]

Act 1:12 Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day's journey away

Long journeys were prohibited by the law on the Sabbath, Exodus 16:29.

Exo 16:29 See! The LORD has given you the Sabbath; therefore on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Remain each of you in his place; let no one go out of his place on the seventh day."

This was 2,000 paces or cubits, or seven furlongs and a half - not quite one mile.

So if you observe the Sabbath, do you not take more than 2,000 paces as well?

Fez, where do you get a length of space or 2,000 paces from this? The reference to the two days of bread comes right out of the exodus when God gave them two days worth of mana on Friday. The whole 'you cannot walk this far' and such come from rabbinical Judaism. The Sabbath is a day of rest that God gave to His children for all generations. I am also one who keeps the Sabbath and no I don't normally take a walk, but you know I can when I want, I can get in the car and go to the store if I really need to, I don't pay bills, do business unless its an emercency, I can use the phone and the internet, all those things, to make it a legalistic kinda day is not what God intended but a day of rest from work, a day to be with family etc. but thats me and this is what God has lead me to do.

Can you tell me what the scripture then alludes to as a Sabbath day's journey?

To walk as far as you can on the day? But then it would be like any other day? The scripture serves to separate a normal day from the Sabbath.

So what is a Sabbath days journey mentioned in Acts 1:12?

[other one]

It's my understanding that the 2,000 cubits (about a thousand yards or so) came from the distance that they were to walk behind the Ark as they moved into new areas on the march to the promice land. The Rabbi's played with ways around this to extend it further, but I really don't remember the details of that to speak of them.

By the time Jesus came along they had picked and stretched things to pretty much do whatever they wanted.

Also the Mount of Olives is about that distance from the temple as I remember, but don't hold me to that.

[Guest LadyC]

simply put, NO. the sabbath was part of jewish law... and if we are to follow the law, then we have to follow ALL parts of the law, not just the sabbath. but our freedom and our salvation is in our faith in Christ Jesus, not in obedience to the law.

in its entire context, this passage from colossians 2 pretty well sums it up.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11I n him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

[Fez]

simply put, NO. the sabbath was part of jewish law... and if we are to follow the law, then we have to follow ALL parts of the law, not just the sabbath. but our freedom and our salvation is in our faith in Christ Jesus, not in obedience to the law.

in its entire context, this passage from colossians 2 pretty well sums it up.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11I n him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

I agree, and that was my point. If you follow the Sabbath of the Ot, then you should follow all of the rules of the Sabbath and not pick and choose.

[JCISGD]

I can understand those who struggle with the idea of the a sabbath day change, i too was concerned and ready to observe saturday if it was the truth. A lover of truth must consider every arguement and proof and not just settle on preference or tradition.

Im posting this link as it proved to me that God did change the day and why. But also i want to say that scripture supports any day as a sabbath and none should judge another in what day they observe. Remember our Pastors and Priests work on the day we rest, and they out of necessity rest on a different day.

May God bless this to the edification of all.

http://www.charlesfinney.com/finney/finney.php?op=125

[Joshua-777]

simply put, NO. the sabbath was part of jewish law... and if we are to follow the law, then we have to follow ALL parts of the law, not just the sabbath. but our freedom and our salvation is in our faith in Christ Jesus, not in obedience to the law.

in its entire context, this passage from colossians 2 pretty well sums it up.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

9 For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. 11I n him you were also circumcised, in the putting off of the sinful nature,[a] not with a circumcision done by the hands of men but with the circumcision done by Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.[d]

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.

20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Hi. one thing to keep in mind is verse 21- 23 in Colossians 2.

Colossians 2:21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings.

So the 10 commandments where human commands or teachings? The Sabbath is part of the 10 commandments, not just rabbinical laws, and the Sabbath is also a law not given to the Jews, But a command from God.

According to Romans 7:7 the Law shows us what sin is, so because we are not under the law, is it ok to steal, to lie? no, because the Law reveals sin.

Romans 7:7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary,I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead.

Now God Himself carved the 10 commandments into stone, that God gave.

simply put, NO. the sabbath was part of jewish law... and if we are to follow the law, then we have to follow ALL parts of the law

Who gave the Sabbath? Is it a day set for Jewish law, or a day sanctified by the hand of God? Which came first the law or the sabbath? Also To say that if we follow the sabbath we have to follow all parts of the law, so if we don't lie, we have to follow all parts of the law too, or if we don't steal we have to follow all parts of the law.

Lets look at the 10 commandments

Exodus 20:3-17

3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

12 “ Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

So we all can agree, that we are not to have any other gods, we are not to make carved images of our God to worship, We are not to take His name in vain. But the sabbath?

Now we agree, we should honor our father and mother, we shall not murder, we shall not commit adultery, shall not steal or bear false witness against our neighbor, and we shall not covet.

So if we agree to 9 commandments, but the 4th commandment, God Himself says He hallowed and to keep Holy, we don't acknowledge? Also keep in mind this is what God said, not the law of Moses but the 10 commandments from God. IT gives reason why, It says for God created the world in 6 days and the 7th day he rested, This encircles ALL creation, not just jewish law.

Now Paul in no way disclosed the Sabbath or the law, He says the law reveals sin and he mentions the 10 commandment in romans 7, saying he wouldn't know coveting was a sin except through the law, shouldn't we do the same with the sabbath?

[Guest agua]

Keeping the spirit of the ten commandments.

Knowing God has finished His redemptive work through Jesus is resting in the sabbath today or am I spiritualising the sabbath to suit me?