MorningGlory Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2011 This is not a proof text indicating we cannot know whether the rapture is pre or post trib. It just means what it says, that no one knows the day or hour. Not that we can't know the timeline. Infact, the disciples asked Jesus, and He told them . And what do you think 1 Thess 4 is about, if not the rapture? Okay, I read those passages word by word....I narrowed it down to these, which I'm assuming you were referring to: 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. I love to read this but.....it tells us we will be with Him forever; there's not a pre-trib, mid-trib or post trib message here, there's not even a confirmation of the Rapture. We can't let our own wishes color our interpretation of Scripture, sister. I want the pre-trib view to be true as well but we simply can't know until the Lord is ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlidingWings Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 1 Topic Count: 169 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 345 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 107 Days Won: 4 Joined: 11/24/2012 Status: Offline Author Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think Nyoka does make a great point this is how Christians should feel. But for a lot it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 People need to know the trib and the antichrist really do happen first to be ready to be prepared. Jesus Loves us and told us the truth as Christians we also try to tell others when we care. State your case. Why do your believe the way you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 This is not a proof text indicating we cannot know whether the rapture is pre or post trib. It just means what it says, that no one knows the day or hour. Not that we can't know the timeline. Infact, the disciples asked Jesus, and He told them . And what do you think 1 Thess 4 is about, if not the rapture? Okay, I read those passages word by word....I narrowed it down to these, which I'm assuming you were referring to: 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. I love to read this but.....it tells us we will be with Him forever; there's not a pre-trib, mid-trib or post trib message here, there's not even a confirmation of the Rapture. We can't let our own wishes color our interpretation of Scripture, sister. I want the pre-trib view to be true as well but we simply can't know until the Lord is ready. I think the question that needs to be asked is, Does the Lord return at the beginning, the middle, or the end of the Tribulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollinTHUNDER Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 83 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,985 Content Per Day: 0.37 Reputation: 433 Days Won: 2 Joined: 04/23/2002 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2011 People need to know the trib and the antichrist really do happen first to be ready to be prepared. Jesus Loves us and told us the truth as Christians we also try to tell others when we care. State your case. Why do your believe the way you do? Okay, here we go! Possibly another can of worms, so be very careful how you answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think Nyoka does make a great point this is how Christians should feel. But for a lot it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 596 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,088 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,829 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2011 This is not a proof text indicating we cannot know whether the rapture is pre or post trib. It just means what it says, that no one knows the day or hour. Not that we can't know the timeline. Infact, the disciples asked Jesus, and He told them . And what do you think 1 Thess 4 is about, if not the rapture? Okay, I read those passages word by word....I narrowed it down to these, which I'm assuming you were referring to: 13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. I love to read this but.....it tells us we will be with Him forever; there's not a pre-trib, mid-trib or post trib message here, there's not even a confirmation of the Rapture. We can't let our own wishes color our interpretation of Scripture, sister. I want the pre-trib view to be true as well but we simply can't know until the Lord is ready. I think the question that needs to be asked is, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think the question that needs to be asked is, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest man Posted April 18, 2011 Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think the question that needs to be asked is, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorningGlory Posted April 18, 2011 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1,022 Topics Per Day: 0.16 Content Count: 39,193 Content Per Day: 6.11 Reputation: 9,977 Days Won: 78 Joined: 10/01/2006 Status: Offline Share Posted April 18, 2011 I think the question that needs to be asked is, "Does the Lord return at the beginning, the middle, or the end of the Tribulation?" I know we'd all love to know the answer to that question but it's not for us to know....yet. Whatever we say is pure speculation. The two witness' mentioned in Revelation, does that event occur during the tribulation? I'm actually not sure; I'll have to reread that but I THINK that event occurs before the tribulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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