Were the wise men Christians

[OldShep]

it's my understanding that they were old Babylonian mystics which also are involved in astroligy... no way Christian. To them Jesus would have been an earthly king.

So They were pagan. They never saw Jesus as a savior. Then why visit him. Did they saw him as another king David or another king Herod. I wonder how they knew about the star. Did God say he was gonna put a star up in bible.

Why is it that there are so many people that see themselves as Christians so eager to toss others not known to them under the bus of being non-believers, then it is to Trust in Our God to take care of His Work. Are we so Holy to know the Heart of Men that came to give respect and gifts to the child King, found in Jesus? The Bible tells us that they knew this was the King of the Jews, spoken about in the Bible. {See Micah below} They came from their home, to Jerusalem and asked King Herod " "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews". As I read these words in the Bible I noted something. No where in the Bible does it tell us that the Magi bowed down before "King Herod" yet he was in the position of being a most powerful King on Earth. I think the Magi knew that the child King they were looking for, was indeed the one true King of Kings. I think that the Magi came to Worship this King of the Jews. May be I am in error, I have made some great errors in my Life, but for the life of me, I can not find the spirit within me to look on an unknown person as being anything but a possible child of God. Maybe it is because of the way I was raised, traveling here and there, always making new friends, always being the New Kid on the Block. Maybe it is because of the words that were often spoken to me by my mother and grandmother, "Dennis a Stranger is only a Friend that you have not met yet".

Mic 5:2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

Mic 5:3 Therefore Israel will be abandoned until the time when she who is in labor gives birth and the rest of his brothers return to join the Israelites.

Mic 5:4 He will stand and shepherd his flock in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God. And they will live securely, for then his greatness will reach to the ends of the earth.

Mat 2:1 After Jesus was born in Bethlehem in Judea, during the time of King Herod, Magi from the east came to Jerusalem

Mat 2:2 and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews?....... We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him."

Mat 2:3 When King Herod heard this he was disturbed, and all Jerusalem with him.

Mat 2:4 When he had called together all the people's chief priests and teachers of the law, he asked them where the Christ was to be born.

Mat 2:5 "In Bethlehem in Judea," they replied, "for this is what the prophet has written:

This "Star" they seen in the east, seems to have traveled south to north when it cam to Israel. Strange way of traveling for a star, as I recall the stars travel from East to West as the Earth Turns. Could this so call "Star" be something other then a "star"? Maybe it was the Glory of God, that pillar of fire that guided the Jews out of Egypt!

The Magi may have know or had knowledge of this:

Num 24:16 the oracle of one who hears the words of God, who has knowledge from the Most High, who sees a vision from the Almighty, who falls prostrate, and whose eyes are opened:

Num 24:17 "I see him, but not now; I behold him, but not near. A star will come out of Jacob; a scepter will rise out of Israel. He will crush the foreheads of Moab, the skulls of all the sons of Sheth.

Num 9:15 On the day the tabernacle, the Tent of the Testimony, was set up, the cloud covered it. From evening till morning the cloud above the tabernacle looked like fire.

Num 9:16 That is how it continued to be; the cloud covered it, and at night it looked like fire.

Any I wish all that read this a good Life and may the Grace of God be upon all.

ICL Dennis

[other one]

Herod was not powerful outside Judea..... The Maji were from the area of the Persans and from everything I've read of the a;rea ans time they would have been followers of Zoroastrianism. You can look into that religion if you wish, but years ago when I was involved I decided it was far from being believers

[nebula]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

[mizzdy]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

We know that Daniel was one of the many 'prophets', it does seem he was favored because he could correctly tell the dreams and such of men. Theres a lot of junk on the net about it and reading through them is like putting a puzzle together but for me and the reading I have done I can see Daniel teaching the scriptures to these men. These men may or may not have mixed it up with their own mysticism as well as there being a sect who did know and believe Daniel when he told them of a coming King and Savior. Scripture doesn't outline it for us yet I think we can see that the men must have come from the regions where Daniel and the rest of Judah were dispersed, Daniel being taken into the court and put with the rest of the magicians it seems logical that is where the magi learned of the coming Messiah. There would have been no other reason for them to have travelled that far just because of a star, that was the only sign of His birth, makes sense to me.

shalom,

Mizz

[other one]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

We know that Daniel was one of the many 'prophets', it does seem he was favored because he could correctly tell the dreams and such of men. Theres a lot of junk on the net about it and reading through them is like putting a puzzle together but for me and the reading I have done I can see Daniel teaching the scriptures to these men. These men may or may not have mixed it up with their own mysticism as well as there being a sect who did know and believe Daniel when he told them of a coming King and Savior. Scripture doesn't outline it for us yet I think we can see that the men must have come from the regions where Daniel and the rest of Judah were dispersed, Daniel being taken into the court and put with the rest of the magicians it seems logical that is where the magi learned of the coming Messiah. There would have been no other reason for them to have travelled that far just because of a star, that was the only sign of His birth, makes sense to me.

shalom,

Mizz

They are astrologist's, Mizz. The Stars are a very large part of their religion. I'd have to go back and check but I don't recall Daniels Messiah being king of the world, just Israel.

The stars control daily life of a Zoroastrian, and the star configuration that I'm told happened in 3 bce was something very special..... and to a star believer it was of the greatest importance.

[Guest]

Another Look, They Worship Jesus

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Matthew 7:20-21

Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. John 6:28-29

I Worship Jesus

Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Matthew 1:23

They Are My Brothers

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1 Corinthians 2:14

[nebula]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

We know that Daniel was one of the many 'prophets', it does seem he was favored because he could correctly tell the dreams and such of men. Theres a lot of junk on the net about it and reading through them is like putting a puzzle together but for me and the reading I have done I can see Daniel teaching the scriptures to these men. These men may or may not have mixed it up with their own mysticism as well as there being a sect who did know and believe Daniel when he told them of a coming King and Savior. Scripture doesn't outline it for us yet I think we can see that the men must have come from the regions where Daniel and the rest of Judah were dispersed, Daniel being taken into the court and put with the rest of the magicians it seems logical that is where the magi learned of the coming Messiah. There would have been no other reason for them to have travelled that far just because of a star, that was the only sign of His birth, makes sense to me.

shalom,

Mizz

They are astrologist's, Mizz. The Stars are a very large part of their religion. I'd have to go back and check but I don't recall Daniels Messiah being king of the world, just Israel.

The stars control daily life of a Zoroastrian, and the star configuration that I'm told happened in 3 bce was something very special..... and to a star believer it was of the greatest importance.

The Wise Men weren't looking for the king of the world, were they? I don't recall them asking to find "the king of the world".

What Mizzdy explained is along the lines of what I suspect.

[Littlelambseativy]

They would not have been Christians since that term came into being after the birth of Christ as in follower of Christ. Until then He would have been referred to as the Messiah.

The land to the East would have been Persia and they would have studied the stars and known the constellations and their meaning. That is why when the star moved into Virgo, having learned from Daniel they would have known that an important personage would be born. Hence the reason for going to Herod looking for the baby king.

[Littlelambseativy]

They would not have been Christians since that term came into being after the birth of Christ. Until then He would have been referred to as the Messiah.

The land to the East would have been Persia and they would have studied the stars and known the constellations and their meaning. That is why when the star moved into Virgo, having learned from Daniel they would have known that an important personage would be born. Hence the reason for going to Herod looking for the baby king.

[other one]

It is possible, though, they had knowledge of the Hebrew prophecies from Judah's captivity period and beyond.

Consider, why would Persian wise men have any reason to pay homage to a new born king of Israel?

We know that Daniel was one of the many 'prophets', it does seem he was favored because he could correctly tell the dreams and such of men. Theres a lot of junk on the net about it and reading through them is like putting a puzzle together but for me and the reading I have done I can see Daniel teaching the scriptures to these men. These men may or may not have mixed it up with their own mysticism as well as there being a sect who did know and believe Daniel when he told them of a coming King and Savior. Scripture doesn't outline it for us yet I think we can see that the men must have come from the regions where Daniel and the rest of Judah were dispersed, Daniel being taken into the court and put with the rest of the magicians it seems logical that is where the magi learned of the coming Messiah. There would have been no other reason for them to have travelled that far just because of a star, that was the only sign of His birth, makes sense to me.

shalom,

Mizz

They are astrologist's, Mizz. The Stars are a very large part of their religion. I'd have to go back and check but I don't recall Daniels Messiah being king of the world, just Israel.

The stars control daily life of a Zoroastrian, and the star configuration that I'm told happened in 3 bce was something very special..... and to a star believer it was of the greatest importance.

The Wise Men weren't looking for the king of the world, were they? I don't recall them asking to find "the king of the world".

What Mizzdy explained is along the lines of what I suspect.

That is what I said Neb. but the point I am making is that the unusualness of the stars would have made them take the trip. The alignments were very rare.