Some advice please...

[Fez]

I don't usually do this on Worthy because of the mixed response one always gets, and the "discussions" it usually starts

But here is the story.

We attended a church leaders meeting tonight. I was exhausted from a 400 mile one day drive on 4x4 tracks through the park I work in, and on top of it a fire I had to sort out just as I got home. But I went to the leaders meeting because I love them, and i told south if I start snoring kick me.....

My pastor approached me just before the meeting, which was great as usual. Tonight, a good soup ( I don't really like soup, but I was hungry), and good worship with a single guitar and all of us worshiping and praying.

What my pastor said to me before the meeting was, "lets have coffee in the next few days, there is a position we would like to offer you in the church (not permanent, and non paying, which does not make a difference to my decision, I have a good job that I love). You and South need to pray about it, we will tell the church if you say yes (we always give the church the opportunity to voice their opinion, and say if they have a problem with any new position), and we will pray you into the position at our church camp in July."

I thanked him and went into worship and prayer with my brothers and sisters in the leadership team.

Then the Holy spirit, while I was worshiping said this...

"No steeples, just raised hands"

"No bells, just raised voices"

"No floors, just my foundation"

I have some thinking to do, South thinks it means, no frills, just worship.

And I am left to wonder if this is a yes or no answer to the offer. Or encouragement on how to act in the position.

Any ideas?

I can serve without title. Title will not enhance my serving.

[TimGertsch]

Agreed, you don't need a title to serve. However, with the way the delegation of responsibility sometimes happens, a different title can afford you different areas of contact, or MORE areas of contact, and greater ability to serve. If the title is something that will interfere with you being able to serve, then I would turn it down, but if it's something that will help facilitate your ability to serve, and therefore increase the ways, or areas in which you can serve, then by all means, jump on it.

[firestormx]

A steeple is made by man and raised up by man, your hands are created by God, rasieing them is a sign of submission= stay submited to god through pray and worship.

A bell is something that makes noise, where as lifting your voice, is a purposeful act done from the heart = Don't bother with a lot of vain words, instead speak the truth in love, without condoning sin, from a heart a christ

A floor is something that we stand on that man made, where as your foundation is the rock Jesus Christ = stay rooted and grounded in christ, not the doctrine of man.

I think it is very clear that what the Holy Spirit spoke to you was stay submited, speak from the heart while standing on your foundation which is Jesus Christ. I truley believe he was telling you how to proceed if you take the position. what to do to stay in his will. How to do whatever it is in faith so that it pleases GOD.

[Fez]

A steeple is made by man and raised up by man, your hands are created by God, rasieing them is a sign of submission= stay submited to god through pray and worship.

A bell is something that makes noise, where as lifting your voice, is a purposeful act done from the heart = Don't bother with a lot of vain words, instead speak the truth in love, without condoning sin, from a heart a christ

A floor is something that we stand on that man made, where as your foundation is the rock Jesus Christ = stay rooted and grounded in christ, not the doctrine of man.

I think it is very clear that what the Holy Spirit spoke to you was stay submited, speak from the heart while standing on your foundation which is Jesus Christ. I truley believe he was telling you how to proceed if you take the position. what to do to stay in his will. How to do whatever it is in faith so that it pleases GOD.

Yep I see that same answer in the words, but I need to decide (with lots of prayer), what the Holy spirit is telling me to do.

[firestormx]

Try the spirits to see if they be Holy. Praying and fasting over this decison is Godly way to proceed. I will be praying that you will follow his perfect will.

[nebula]

Do you know what the position is and what the duties involve?

When I read the words spoken to you, it could either be instructions on how to operate, or it could mean God doesn't need structure (i.e. church functions) in order to operate or His plan for you is outside of the building.

I don't know if knowing what the position is would bring clarification to the puzzle, but there is a chance it might make more sense?

[xero]

Im not of much help with the question but I will say thanks for sharing the words of the Holy Spirit.

[Littlelambseativy]

I find working without a glorified and 'honoured' title just humbling doing the work that I have been assigned is best. One needs no glory from man only the love and support of the Father and His guidance the most fulfilling. Titles make one proud and 'puffed up' where the support of God gets the work done.

So no accolades from man only God's support and guidance in this new task is what you are being asked to do. Find out what is being asked and take it to God in prayer and you actually know the answer already. He will be there to support you. God bless in this decision.

[He giveth more grace]

A position can change a man, it can possibly change from the Lord's work to doing 'busy church work' which the Lord has not called you to. That piece you received may be warning you to remain a "loose cannon" for the Lord.

[other one]

Fez, if it's just a temporary position, it may well be that the Holy Spirit is passing on instructions that you need to know in doing this job.

It's not the building, it's the people that makes up the church.

It not the teaching of man or the church, but Jesus himself that is the foundation for us.

It's not the music that matters, just the raised voices of the people...... that's what God hears.

It sounds like a message that any church needs to hear these days.

I would think about it interfering with all the things you are presently doing, and discuss with the pastor ways to make sure it doesn't squelch your present walk.