Split... "Womanhood" - Pants

[wingnut-]

Bring out the fiddles folks. This is one post that definately deserves mood music.

Well I do love the sound of a well played fiddle, almost as much as good sarcasm

I do have a few questions though butero, exactly how did you arrive at the conclusion jeans are exclusively for males? Where in scripture does it say women should only wear dresses? My history may be a bit fuzzy on the issue of blue jeans, but I am guessing if such a time existed that they were exclusive to men, it was men who determined it. How exactly would that violate Gods law? If you wanted to compare the whole pantsuit thing, I wouldn't take issue with the comparison to a man in a dress.

The other thing that has me scratching my head is your assessment of career women. Do you think God mandates that all women marry? Would that make Paul's recommendation to remain single male exclusive? If not, how else would a woman survive if she didn't pursue a career?

[Guest Butero]

Bring out the fiddles folks. This is one post that definately deserves mood music.

Well I do love the sound of a well played fiddle, almost as much as good sarcasm

I do have a few questions though butero, exactly how did you arrive at the conclusion jeans are exclusively for males? Where in scripture does it say women should only wear dresses? My history may be a bit fuzzy on the issue of blue jeans, but I am guessing if such a time existed that they were exclusive to men, it was men who determined it. How exactly would that violate Gods law? If you wanted to compare the whole pantsuit thing, I wouldn't take issue with the comparison to a man in a dress.

The other thing that has me scratching my head is your assessment of career women. Do you think God mandates that all women marry? Would that make Paul's recommendation to remain single male exclusive? If not, how else would a woman survive if she didn't pursue a career?

I don't have any actual violine music, so when I read certain posts, I imagine Jack Benny playing "Love In Bloom."

How did anyone arrive at the conclusion dresses are exclusive to women? This is symbolic. Pants represent the authority in the home. They also give the person that wears them a masculine appearance. Now before anyone makes an Elly Mae Clampett type joke, I am coming from the standpoint of the article of clothing is not feminine. I am not saying that some people aren't built in a way where you could tell it was a woman regardless of what she is wearing.

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

I used to joke about the bathrooms, and how if you go by the universal symbols, you should have the bathroom with the person in pants completely full, and any woman who actually has a dress on would have the other bathroom all to herself. The symbol itself shows which bathroom applies to which sex.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, it mentions how a man is not to be effeminate, and if you look up the definition, it says this refers not only to his actions, but his clothing. A woman looks feminine in a dress, but a man looks effeminate in a dress. On the flip side, when you have a woman in pants, she loses her femininity, and there are a lot of times I don't know if I am looking at a man or a woman when they are walking down the street until I can see their face. In some cases, that is not enough to tell for sure.

The thing I have take the most issue with here is the hypocrisy. Why is it that women can wear anything, including clothing marketed to men, and if anyone dares say it is wrong, they are a legalist, but let a man be seen in a dress or skirt (other than a kilt), and you have women attacking him. You literally cannot have a woman guilty of violating Deuteronomy 22:5 today in the eyes of the majority, but not so for a man. Then the very same people that jump on me for pointing this out will stand against men wearing women's garments.

[GoldenEagle]

This can be discussed on a separate thread. Please be respectful of one another.

[nebula]

On the flip side, when you have a woman in pants, she loses her femininity

Note: This is a personal opinion.

and there are a lot of times I don't know if I am looking at a man or a woman when they are walking down the street until I can see their face.

I can only think of two, maybe three times, I saw someone whom I could not tell was a male or female. Very odd that this is a common occurrence for you.

[wingnut-]

Bring out the fiddles folks. This is one post that definately deserves mood music.

Well I do love the sound of a well played fiddle, almost as much as good sarcasm

I do have a few questions though butero, exactly how did you arrive at the conclusion jeans are exclusively for males? Where in scripture does it say women should only wear dresses? My history may be a bit fuzzy on the issue of blue jeans, but I am guessing if such a time existed that they were exclusive to men, it was men who determined it. How exactly would that violate Gods law? If you wanted to compare the whole pantsuit thing, I wouldn't take issue with the comparison to a man in a dress.

The other thing that has me scratching my head is your assessment of career women. Do you think God mandates that all women marry? Would that make Paul's recommendation to remain single male exclusive? If not, how else would a woman survive if she didn't pursue a career?

I don't have any actual violine music, so when I read certain posts, I imagine Jack Benny playing "Love In Bloom."

How did anyone arrive at the conclusion dresses are exclusive to women? This is symbolic. Pants represent the authority in the home. They also give the person that wears them a masculine appearance. Now before anyone makes an Elly Mae Clampett type joke, I am coming from the standpoint of the article of clothing is not feminine. I am not saying that some people aren't built in a way where you could tell it was a woman regardless of what she is wearing.

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment; for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God. Deuteronomy 22:5

I used to joke about the bathrooms, and how if you go by the universal symbols, you should have the bathroom with the person in pants completely full, and any woman who actually has a dress on would have the other bathroom all to herself. The symbol itself shows which bathroom applies to which sex.

In 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, it mentions how a man is not to be effeminate, and if you look up the definition, it says this refers not only to his actions, but his clothing. A woman looks feminine in a dress, but a man looks effeminate in a dress. On the flip side, when you have a woman in pants, she loses her femininity, and there are a lot of times I don't know if I am looking at a man or a woman when they are walking down the street until I can see their face. In some cases, that is not enough to tell for sure.

The thing I have take the most issue with here is the hypocrisy. Why is it that women can wear anything, including clothing marketed to men, and if anyone dares say it is wrong, they are a legalist, but let a man be seen in a dress or skirt (other than a kilt), and you have women attacking him. You literally cannot have a woman guilty of violating Deuteronomy 22:5 today in the eyes of the majority, but not so for a man. Then the very same people that jump on me for pointing this out will stand against men wearing women's garments.

I would venture a guess that the answer would be men, and of course you don't see men clamoring to wear a dress, they are uncomfortable. I know this because I was once involved in a skit where several of us men had to wear a dress, all in good fun of course, it was a comedy

But seriously, you didn't answer my questions and I'm curious what you think. And for the record I did state that I don't think women should wear suits any more than a man should wear a dress.

[missmuffet]

Biblical facts.Should a woman wear pants.And wingnut I find sarcasm obnoxious.Their are certain parts of the body that make it very simple to tell if it is a woman wearing those pants

http://www.gotquesti...wear-pants.html

[MorningGlory]

This issue always confuses me. From everything I've read or heard, people in Biblical times, male and female, all wore long, flowing type garments. How would they assign gender to clothing?

[MorningGlory]

On the flip side, when you have a woman in pants, she loses her femininity

Note: This is a personal opinion.

and there are a lot of times I don't know if I am looking at a man or a woman when they are walking down the street until I can see their face.

I can only think of two, maybe three times, I saw someone whom I could not tell was a male or female. Very odd that this is a common occurrence for you.

I have to agree; I almost never see a person in pants whose gender is not obvious. In fact I really only remember a couple of times in my whole life.

[enoob57]

The Lord has always taught us to use righteous judgment.... The Wife's body should be the most precious possession of the

husband! Now reason has it with modern camera and digital capabilities over any walk way could become a look up your

dress scenario! Now pants or dress most protects that precious possession? Love, Steven

[just_abc]

This is entirely culturally determined.

I think that it depends on the culture.. as well as the point of time in history of the culture too sometimes [since cultures might sometimes change over time]

One thing which I don't fully understand about topics such as this.... is why.. at least to me.. it often seems like possibly one particular culture [or group of cultures?] is possibly being emphasized.. or held.. above other cultures?

Christians come from different cultures / countries / parts of the world.

Unless there was some non-Christian religious symbols or connotations... why is it wrong for Christian women in South Asia to wear a ladies Shalwar Kameez? Or for Christian women from Vietnam to wear a ladies Ao Dai [with trousers]?

Unless there was some non-Christian religious symbols or connotations... why is it wrong for Christian men in Burma to wear a men's sarong... or Christian men in Fiji to wear a men's sulu?

There are many different cultures and types of clothing in the world. What is or isn't considered men's clothing or women's clothing.. depends on the particular culture [and time in history].

If Christians take just one culture and try to make its particular definitions as the 'gold standard' which all Christians are supposed to follow.... this is something I don't understand?

Please note that I am not refering to this thread in particular.. but simply to this topic in general. Because this is sometimes how this topic might seem like to an 'outsider' like me

Thanks

Edited April 8, 2013 by just_abc