How many realize immodesty is everyone's fault to some degree?

[Sevenseas]

 

We are immodest,

we indulge immodesty,

we tolerate immodesty,

we reward immodesty,

 

No.  WE do not all fit your description.

 

I find it offensive that you would even think so.

 

If I have a sin problem, I don't go looking for others to identify with me in that sin.  I go to God and ask/beg Him to deliver me from it and shine HIS light into my heart and on my path.

 

No one has to wallow in it.

 

It's just not true.

 

I have struggled ... but I'm not giving details...I say rather that God has delivered me from my destructions and is faithful and will continue and does continue.

 

His grace is sufficient for me and for whosever will may come.

 

Christians should not be defeated...if you are, you need to get real with God.  The heart is desperately wicked and only God can plumb those depths for you.

 

So no, I am not going to agree with this op.  Are you more than a conqueror or have you lost the way because you have your eyes on yourself?

[The_Patriot21]

Im with seven. we dont all have that problem. There is a HUGE difference between "accepting" immodesty, and not being able to do anything about it. Yes, immodesty is everywhere in our culture, but if we stood up and screamed SINNER! to every woman with cleavage in wal-mart we would just get labeled haters and legalist, and get kicked out. Christian men who have learned discipline change the channel when racy commercials come on, dont watch movies with lewdness and sex, there are a good many christian woman who do dress modestly. Theres a good deal of christians who are fighting against this problem in society to. So instead of sitting here and grouping everyone in this "evil" conspiracy group, we should instead step up and do our part to correct the problem-pointing fingers doesn't solve anything.

[MorningGlory]

I'm going with sevenseas on this one.  I am not immodest myself, I don't watch the half-dressed idiots on t.v. nor do I encourage or condone others to be immodest and I am NOT responsible for the actions of others. 

[missmuffet]

Im with seven. we dont all have that problem. There is a HUGE difference between "accepting" immodesty, and not being able to do anything about it. Yes, immodesty is everywhere in our culture, but if we stood up and screamed SINNER! to every woman with cleavage in wal-mart we would just get labeled haters and legalist, and get kicked out. Christian men who have learned discipline change the channel when racy commercials come on, dont watch movies with lewdness and sex, there are a good many christian woman who do dress modestly. Theres a good deal of christians who are fighting against this problem in society to. So instead of sitting here and grouping everyone in this "evil" conspiracy group, we should instead step up and do our part to correct the problem-pointing fingers doesn't solve anything.

No,you can not do anything about it.That is what is so frustrating to me.I have to look at this garbage everywhere I go.You can not go up to someone and say "Have you thought of putting some more appropriate clothing on?".

[missmuffet]

 

We are immodest,

we indulge immodesty,

we tolerate immodesty,

we reward immodesty,

 

I would say that you are correct with the above statement.

I am just trying to figure out who "we" are?  Does that mean the nation as a whole, or every single person?  I doubt you are immodest Bopeep, and I know I 'm not.  I don't even wear shorts on the hottest days of summer.  Just wondering where he's coming from on that? 

 

You are right.I have corrected my response.I was way too tired lastnight after working many hours.I came back and looked at it and when I could focus correctly I thought "WHOA".

[LadyKay]

It would depend on what you define as "immodesty". Grandma thought it was "immodest" to wear shorts in the summer. I have even heard of some people who believe men should not wear short sleeve shirts. We all have our own personal believe about what is consider " immodest." And it is a personal thing.   And what do you mean by saying " You tolerate it in others?" Maybe I do but then what am I suppose to do? I can not force the rest of the world to believe as I do. (I wish they would but they don't) I can not go around town trying to cover people in layers of clothing because I think they are "immodest". I hope no one does that you may get arrested.

Edited August 15, 2013 by LadyKay

[missmuffet]

It would depend on what you define as "immodesty". Grandma thought it was "immodest" to wear shorts in the summer. I have even heard of some people who believe men should not wear short sleeve shirts. We all have our own personal believe about what is consider " immodest." And it is a personal thing.   And what do you mean by saying " You tolerate it in others?" Maybe I do but then what am I suppose to do? I can not force the rest of the world to believe as I do. (I wish they would but they don't) I can not go around town trying to cover people in layers of clothing because I think they are "immodest". I hope no one does that you may get arrested.

Their is nothing that you can do.I can't see myself going up to a lady and saying "Excuse me but would you please put on a more appropriate shirt so that your breasts do not show so much".Her boyfriend or husband would probably shoot me.

[LadyKay]

I still don't get how it is my fault. Care to explain that ?

 

 

Pee Wee Herman did a marriage ceremony on his playhouse show to a bowl of jello    Do we take these matters seriously or not?

 I have never taken Pee Wee's playhouse seriously, (actually I hated that stupid show when I was a kid) Nor do I take jello seriously.

 

Stay out of the "red light district." we all know what goes on there.

Edited August 15, 2013 by LadyKay

[coheir]

 

No,you can not do anything about it.That is what is so frustrating to me.I have to look at this garbage everywhere I go.You can not go up to someone and say "Have you thought of putting some more appropriate clothing on?".

 

The OP is based on the premise that people are so debased that they cannot look at someone dressed immodestly and not have a lustful thought.  Maybe he can't but I certainly can.  All I see is someone who probably doesn't have much common sense and obviously doesn't have enough self-esteem or wisdom to dress appropriately when in public.  Lust doesn't enter into it, so the premise is false.  And I am not responsible for what they wear nor can I change it, so am I even partially at fault for the immodesty they display?  No I am not.  They are the ones responsible, and no one else.

 

i agree

[missmuffet]

I still don't get how it is my fault. Care to explain that ?

 

 

Pee Wee Herman did a marriage ceremony on his playhouse show to a bowl of jello    Do we take these matters seriously or not?

 I have never taken Pee Wee's playhouse seriously, (actually I hated that stupid show when I was a kid) Nor do I take jello seriously.

 

Stay out of the "red light district." we all know what goes on there.

I don't know what you mean by the jello.I know Pee Wee did some bad things but I did not follow it.My kids loved his show.But when I look back on some of his humor in the show I think.......