What Gospel did Paul preach?

[Montana Marv]

 

Paul taught; Jesus Christ crucified and He is the savior of the world. As did the other Apostles. This is the only gospel.  Believe in Him. This is NT gospel, not OT gospel.  All Scripture includes NT and OT.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

Right, that part of teaching of Paul conforms to the Gospel. That is not the entire Gospel, nor it represents all the three and half years of Jesus' ministry on the earth. Some letters were chosen as a part of the canon from fourth century onwards at the instigation of pagan emperor Constantine.

 

 

Knowning

 

John 21:25 - Jesus did many other things as well.  If everyone of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would have been written.

 

Not all that Jesus did is written down, but what we have now is Scripture.

 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[OneLight]

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Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

Paul was to the gentiles  as Moses was to the Israelites.  Moses delivered the Israelites out  of physical labor.  Paul delivered the Gentiles out of the spiritual labor of law.    Paul's gospel brought in the salvation of grace.  The Bible says, the law was nailed to Christ's cross.  The cross abolish the law, though many still want to hang on to it.  Also says by the deeds of the law no flesh can be saved.   The law never had power to completely save an individual.   Paradise was as close as they could get to heaven.   Christ died and went to paradise and took them to heaven.  Even today no man can be saved unless it by simple faith, just as Abraham had, when God accredited righteousness to him when he believed God.  Grace by faith is a free gift of Christ.  There was and is some different  between what Jesus and the disciples taught.  It was from law to grace.  Remember, Peter at Cornelius's  house.  He told him, it was unlawful for me to be in his house (a gentile).  When he got to the Jerusalem council they contended with him over the matter, but he explain it to them how God had sent him there.  Ro  m. 15:8 states that Christ was the minister to the Jews, 15:16 says paul was the minister to the gentiles.   Paul was definitely the main character(after Christ) in the new testament.  Peter verified that in 2cd Peter 3:15-16.  he is given credit for over half of the new testament.

You, can't  take nothing from Paul's gospel.  He was bringing in the mystery of grace vs. law.  This was a mystery given  to Paul only.  Eph. chapter 3.  The Bible says we will be judges by  Paul's gospel.   Why didn't Paul just go to the Jerusalem Council and learn from them.  Gal. chp. 1 states Christ spent three years with Paul in Arabia.   Paul said, follow me as I follow Christ.

Mystery was not given to Paul only! When it comes to the Gospel, nothing is held in secret!(Matthew 5:14-15) In Ephesians 3:5, Paul admitted it was made known to apostles and prophets. He was nothing with his ministry immediately after his conversion till he learnt from Peter! We have mediator Jesus before God. Paul cannot interfere there! We should follow Christ not Paul, Peter, Apollos et al!(1 Corinthians 3:4)

You must be reading another bible than what the rest of us have. Paul, who was named Saul, was chosen by Christ on the road to Damascus, as stated in Acts 9:1-9.

Then Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest and asked letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, so that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.

As he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?”

And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”

Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”

So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

Then the Lord said to him, “Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

And the men who journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice but seeing no one. Then Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened he saw no one. But they led him by the hand and brought him into Damascus. And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank.

As for being taught by Peter, you forget that Saul, or Paul, studied the scriptures all his life and was a Pharisee. Jesus opened his eyes and the Holy Spirit taught him.

Galatians 1:11-24

But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.

For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.

But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.

Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days. But I saw none of the other apostles except James, the Lord’s brother. (Now concerning the things which I write to you, indeed, before God, I do not lie.)

Afterward I went into the regions of Syria and Cilicia. And I was unknown by face to the churches of Judea which were in Christ. But they were hearing only, “He who formerly persecuted us now preaches the faith which he once tried to destroy.” And they glorified God in me.

Your accusations against Paul are unfounded.

[OneLight]

I do not think it is right to assume that Paul taught identically the same Gospel written by Matthew, Mark, John and Luke. We see different versions and statements within the four gospels. What statements did Paul's gospel contain? We do not know because Paul has never quoted anything from the four books!

 

Show us the differences, scripturally.  If you are claiming that Paul's Gospel was different from the other Apostle's Gospel, then this should be very simple for you to do, because you would have the scriptural evidence prepared before making the statement.  Your personal opinion carries no weight and sways no one.

OK, let me show a few things:

 

Jesus said there is only one Father, that is God, One Teacher, One Leader, and these positions should be not used  for men.(Matthew 23:8 to 10) But Paul defines them ignorant of the preaching of Jesus(Ephesians 4:11; 1 Corinthians 4:15)

Now, that is surely taking text out of context. In Matthew 23, you do not show the full picture in order to spread falsehood. Jesus was talking to to the scribes and the Pharisees and how they misused their authority. He was also talking directly to His disciples, informing them that He, Jesus, is their teacher.

In Ephesians 4:11, the He is God, not Paul, so you are actually saying that God was wrong. 1 Corinthians 4:15 does not go against scripture either.

May I ask where you learned these teachings?

[kwikphilly]

Dear Knowing,

      May I ask,WHO are these experts in knowledge as you refer to in post #38?You have stated several times that Pauls words do not conform to the Gospel...will you please quote in which SCRIPTURE VERSE this is found,as I am bewildered and would really like to see your point of view if you could substantiate it in some way...

    Am I understanding you correctly when you say that Pauls receiving the full Gospel from Jesus is his self-claim?So then it does not matter to you that the other apostles approved ,which means you do not believe that the Holy Bible is the God inspired Word and is His Holy Word?Correct me if I misunderstood but the way I see it is you either believe ALL of the Word of God or NONE of it...

     I sincerely am trying figure out how you came to these conclusions,so please humor me and just tell me Who the experts are and show me the scriptures that are in question and I promise to consider all things with an open mind.

                                                                                                          With love,in Christ-Kwik

[Mcgyver]

 

Hmmm...a different gospel?

 

I think not...even Peter testifies that Paul is preaching the same gospel:

 

 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Peter 3:14-16 emphasis added)

 

We've got to remember that none of these churches lived in a vacuum...they shared with each other, they talked with each other...and word of what was being preached by the Apostle Paul would certainly reach the ears of the "pillars" of the church in Jerusalem. Had there been a problem with Paul's message, I don't think that there is any doubt that:

 

1. His preaching would not have been effective.

 

2. Corrections would have been issued by Peter, John, and the others (who's credibility as Apostles was beyond reproach in the early church).

 

3. The churches would have been warned that Paul was a false apostle.

 

4. The Holy Spirit would not have allowed Paul's epistles to be accepted as "holy writ" among the churches.

 

5. The challeges to his (Paul's) Apostleship would have been substantiated, and he would not have received support from the other Apostles.

 

So...IMO the whole "Paul preached a different gospel" line of reasoning is without basis in fact.

The major point, amongst many, I am considering is his claim of apostleship. No other apostle of the chosen addressed him that way. In fact, John in the book of Revelation warns the Ephesian church that Paul built that he was not an apostle! He was chosen to convert Gentiles with their complex philosophies. Paul countered that with his complex theology for the situation he was involved. Context is important here. He gave concessions to them at the beginning. They are not valid for spritually grown believers now!

 

 

But yet...you have not made a single counter-point to the points that I listed above, which in and of themselves establish the veracity of Paul's ministry.

 

You are correct in that context is important, yet I see that the scriptures that you quote are taken completely out of context!

 

In Revelation, the letter to the church at Ephesus merely states that they have examined certain men who claimed to be apostolos (literally: "one who is sent") and found them false. To try and say that John is telling the Ephesian church that Paul is a false apostle is ludicrous; in that for the decades prior to the writing of Revelation the church at large (to include the original apostles) supported Paul in his ministry! By the time that Revelation was written (circa AD 95), Paul had been with the Lord for 28 years, having been martyred in AD 67.

 

Any accusation by the original Apostles against Paul would have surfaced while Paul was alive...not 28 years later! The church in Ephesus never rejected Paul's teachings...so the "found them false" does not apply to him.

[Sevenseas]

I'm not addressing this to the op because it will just be a runaround, but, the pertinent question of this thread, IMO, should actually be:

 

What gospel does knowingtruth preach?  That one, is most assuredly NOT in the Bible.  

[OneLight]

 

 

Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

 

Paul's Gospel was the same exact Gospel that every Apostle taught.  No difference.  He preached Jesus, as God Himself in human form crucified and resurrected for the substitutional sacrifice for our sins.  That is Paul's Gospel.  Same as Matthew's.  Same as Mark's.  Same as Luke's.  Same as John's.  Same as Peter's.  No difference in any of their Gospels.  They all preached and taught the same thing.  Only the audiences they preached that Gospel to were different in some cases

 

The Gospel "we all know now" was the result of Paul being directed by Christ to spread that Gospel predominantly to the Gentiles  instead of the Jews so that that Gospel would eventually reach the world.

 

What would the motivation be for discrediting Paul?

 

1 Corinthians 3:1-9 Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly--mere infants in Christ.  2 I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.  3 You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men?  4 For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men?  5 What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe--as the Lord has assigned to each his task.  6 I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow.  7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.  8 The man who plants and the man who waters have one purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.  9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building.

 

Paul would not have considered "his" Gospel as any different than that of any other Apostle or fellow worker who was preaching Christ crucified.  Nor would he have considered it "his" in a possessive or different sense.

 

I do not think it is right to assume that Paul taught identically the same Gospel written by Matthew, Mark, John and Luke. We see different versions and statements within the four gospels. What statements did Paul's gospel contain? We do not know because Paul has never quoted anything from the four books!

 

 

First, the Gospels were not in print when Paul was called by Christ, so how cold Paul "quoted anything from the four books!"??? 

 

Second, the Gospels are about the life and teachings of Jesus, which Paul was not a part of.  If you did not look at Paul's writings in such a negative way that you do, you would see he does, in fact, speak the same Gospel.  Your bias is blinding you to the truth.  Do you really think the Holy Spirit would allow his writings to remain if it was false?  Your bias is very clear, as seen below.

 

Claiming as an apostle, speaking in unknown tongues, establishing communion in tone with OT Passover, claiming as a father, calling someone as a teacher, bringing division in Jerusalem Church, ridiculing Peter openly, claiming as a pharisee even after conversion, etc.

 

If you reject what Paul writing as being true, you are throwing out most of the NT.  IN your posts you continue to claim "we", when in fact, it is you who rejects his teaching.  Perhaps you need to seek God with your issue because since you came here, your goal is to disprove Paul. 

 

I am not sure if you realize this or not, but this site is part of the ministry based out of Israel called Worthy Network.  In our Statement of Faith, we claim the following:

 

We believe that the 66 books of the Canon, from Genesis to Revelation are the exhaustive, inerrant and inspired word of God.

 

Though you do not have to agree with our Statement of Faith to be a member of this site, our Terms of Service has to be followed, which states:

 

You may not post any material that is disrespectful of God, Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, or the Bible.

 

By your claims that Paul is not an Apostle as scripture claims, that Paul is teaching falsely, is disrespecting not only the Bible, but Jesus who called and taught Paul and the Holy Spirit who worked through Paul.  If you choose to discuss a particular issue, which we have discussed tongues before, then please do so and while abiding by our ToS.  Failure to do so will only escalate this warning.

[jetson]

Paul taught something the disciples did not know yet .  They taught the gospel under law and only could reach paradise after death.  Jesus Christ gave Paul the gospel of grace.  Through grace they by-passed paradise and went directly to heaven.  Even Peter at Cornelius house was still under law.  He told Cornelius it was unlawful for him to be there.  Even fourteen years later when Paul made his second trip to Jerusalem, they were still  preaching law.  They simply had to be, because they were trying to bring Paul back under it.   But, after much discussion, Peter said he remember what had happened at Cornelius house and he told them the Lord has brought salvation to the gentiles.  Another proof of this is: when Stephen was stoned the Jews in Jerusalem scattered and preached the gospel, but to Jews only.  At some point they did start preaching the grace gospel , but it seems like  I believe none of the disciples newer went to only the gentiles.  Odd that Mark and Luke travel with Paul.  None of the other disciples did.  Was it because, they were keeping Christ's  commandment, not to go the gentiles.  In chapter 2 of Gal.  The disciples shook hands with Paul and agreed that they would go to the Jews and Paul and his followers would go to the gentiles.  Even Peters letters were address to the same countries that were there at the day of Pentecost.  James letter was address to the 12 scattered tribes.  John's letters were to a man Gaius and the elect lady.  Peter even said in 2 Peter Chp 2 verses 15 and 16, that some that don't understand wrestle with Paul's gospel, to there own destruction.  You had better believe that Paul's gospel is the words of God.  Many Christians don't believe it should be in the Bible.  They seem to want to work for their salvation, when Paul said, it was a free gift through grace.  They believe they have to be saved by water baptizing, Eucahrist  and other things that involve work.  Paul said, the law has been abolish and by work you cannot be saved.  Work for rewards comes after salvation not before.  There is no work before salvation that will save an individual.  Water baptism is the one work most of the Churches, just seem to harp on.  If you look at every water baptizing in the Bible it states, they believed(saved) first and then baptized next.  Nothing wrong with that.  But, it is a testimony to others you have accepted Christ.  Even Peter said, Water only washes away the filthy flesh.  Paul only baptize only on three occasions, Cris-pus, Gauis and the house of Stephanas house.  !st John, 1:7 says, The blood does the cleansing (baptizing) not water.  Eph. 4:5 states there is only 1 baptizing.  The Bible says, the Spirit does this and surely would not be using water when the Bible says, that the blood does the cleaning.  You pick the one.  Is it water or Blood/

[jetson]

Paul spoke of his gospel! (Romans 2:16, 16:25, and 2 Timothy 2:8)

 

Paul was not a part of Jesus' earthly ministry. He appears to have missed out some important fundemental concepts of Christianity preached by Jesus! As a pharisee, it looks like he brought in some OT concepts that do not conform to the Gospel we all know now.

This is a ridiculous statement.  Paul's Gospel was inspired by God, just like the rest of the scripture.....That what people say when they want to stay under law.  But Christ fulfill the law.  We are under grace, not law.  The unbeliever will be judge by the rules of law, but when we accept Christ, the Christian is no longer under the law.  He is under grace, through faith

[MarkNigro]

Paul has the gospel of salvation, the only gospel that can save.

 

 

From the following verses, it is God’s will, that Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles and that it is through his writings, which he got by direct revelation from the Lord Jesus Christ, that the gospel of salvation is to be preached to the Gentiles.

 

Romans 11:13

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

 

Romans 15:16

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

 

2 Timothy 4:17

Notwithstanding the Lord stood with me, and strengthened me; that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear: and I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.

 

Paul preaches, defends, and declares the gospel of salvation through his writings.

 

Romans 1:15

So, as much as in me is, I am ready to preach the gospel to you that are at Rome also.

 

Philippians 1:17

But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.

 

1 Corinthians 15:1-4

¹Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

²By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

³For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

⁴And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

 

It is the gospel of salvation that Paul preaches through his writings that are the very basis of God’s judgment.

 

Romans 2:16

In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

 

From the next verse it is obvious that all who believe the gospel of Christ are saved. No other requirement in mentioned.

 

Romans 1:16

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.