The Day of The Lord

[kwikphilly]

Blessings Spock...

    Dear Brother,if everyone really knew you they would know what a humble man you truly are & a quite a gentleman beside! With your education you surely are familiar with the term "dispensationalism" and many words most of US could probably never pronounce.......I just want to take a moment to say"I love you Brother",you do give Glory to God!

    Anyway,back to the OP......& to my other Beloved Brother Gliding Wings,I sure do look forward to that Day but I do hope it does not come soon for there are SOOOOO many that yet need to come to the foot of the cross .....I pray the Lord gives them more time to seek Him while He can still be found,in Jesus Name!

                                                                                                          With love,in Christ-Kwik

[Joshua-777]

Wow, I was just reading that in 2 Peter 3 tonight. Good stuff.

[Spock]

Blessings Spock...

    Dear Brother,if everyone really knew you they would know what a humble man you truly are & a quite a gentleman beside! With your education you surely are familiar with the term "dispensationalism" and many words most of US could probably never pronounce.......I just want to take a moment to say"I love you Brother",you do give Glory to God!

    Anyway,back to the OP......& to my other Beloved Brother Gliding Wings,I sure do look forward to that Day but I do hope it does not come soon for there are SOOOOO many that yet need to come to the foot of the cross .....I pray the Lord gives them more time to seek Him while He can still be found,in Jesus Name!

                                                                                                          With love,in Christ-Kwik

Thanks sis, the feelings are mutual.

I did have a big smile on my face when I posted that post to old school. (I like to crack myself up like that.)

[Spock]

I believe we are in the Day of Man now and when this has run its course (again, much like Noah), we will enter the Day of The Lord ...

Dispensationalism?

Not sure what you mean. That is a pretty big word. I'm not sure I can even pronounce it. LolIt seems to make sense to me that if God rescued Noah before the flood, he will so something similar before the Day of The Lord.Does that make me a dispensationalist?

I don't know; that's why I put a question mark after "Dispensationalism".BTW, "dispensationalism sees God as structuring His relationship with mankind through several stages of revelation which mark off different dispensations, or stewardship arrangements. Each dispensation is a 'test' of mankind to be faithful to the particular revelation given at the time. Generally, seven dispensations are distinguished: innocence (before the fall), conscience (Adam to Noah), government (Noah to Babel), promise (Abraham to Moses), Law (Moses to Christ), grace (Pentecost to the rapture), and the millennium."http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-does-john-piper-believe-about-dispensationalism-covenant-theology-and-new-covenant-theology

Yeah, I'm actually familiar with that term, but I don't really know if it applies as stated. It sounds reasonable, just not sure.But what exactly concerns you about the Day of The Lord?

Aside from being caught up in it?Seriously, "dispensationalism" assumes God has a series of Plan B's, which in turn falsely assumes God's original plan for man's redemption has failed.

I think you are reading too much into the theory. I'm sure God, who is not bound by space or time, knew exactly how things were going to play out.

Try to not to fret over things that is God s domain, he can handle it. People do like to put formulas around what God is doing, but I wouldn't spend to much energy over that.

[OldSchool2]

I believe we are in the Day of Man now and when this has run its course (again, much like Noah), we will enter the Day of The Lord ...

Dispensationalism?

Not sure what you mean. That is a pretty big word. I'm not sure I can even pronounce it. LolIt seems to make sense to me that if God rescued Noah before the flood, he will so something similar before the Day of The Lord.Does that make me a dispensationalist?

I don't know; that's why I put a question mark after "Dispensationalism".BTW, "dispensationalism sees God as structuring His relationship with mankind through several stages of revelation which mark off different dispensations, or stewardship arrangements. Each dispensation is a 'test' of mankind to be faithful to the particular revelation given at the time. Generally, seven dispensations are distinguished: innocence (before the fall), conscience (Adam to Noah), government (Noah to Babel), promise (Abraham to Moses), Law (Moses to Christ), grace (Pentecost to the rapture), and the millennium."http://www.desiringgod.org/articles/what-does-john-piper-believe-about-dispensationalism-covenant-theology-and-new-covenant-theology

Yeah, I'm actually familiar with that term, but I don't really know if it applies as stated. It sounds reasonable, just not sure.But what exactly concerns you about the Day of The Lord?

Aside from being caught up in it?Seriously, "dispensationalism" assumes God has a series of Plan B's, which in turn falsely assumes God's original plan for man's redemption has failed.

I think you are reading too much into the theory. I'm sure God, who is not bound by space or time, knew exactly how things were going to play out ...

Which explains why dispensationalism eventually fell out of favor.

[Willa]

Only the Father knows what day the Lord will come for His church. That part has little or nothing to do with satan.

We are told in Luke to pray that we be counted worthy to escape all the things that are to come upon the earth.

The reason that you have fear is that you are spending your time focusing on the enemy and what he might do. Instead focus on God and what He does on our behalf. If Christ lives in you and you in Him, He will give you the courage you need when the time comes. Not now. You can only walk on the water as Peter did by keeping your eyes on Jesus. As soon as your look at the world and the dangers around you you will sink. So stop it!

So learn to live a godly life in Christ Jesus now. No matter how we die, should it be today while walking accross the street or in the future, pray that we may glorify God in our lives as well as in our deaths.

 Hi Williamina. Thanks for the words of encouragement. But there is a little misunderstanding. The initial idea of this post was to see how people felt about the day of the Lord each having their own Dispensational view point included if they wanted. People could also share whether they were looking forward to this or any kind of uncertainty or fear.  As for me I admit the feeling is over whelming at most because it will mark the most important day since the crucifixion or that the Birth of Jesus life on Earth. The second appearing is the only event that can match or equate such a great event to occur. .

 I do not any longer believe Tim La Hayes or Hal Lyndsay. I believe Christians will be here during the whole antichrist 3 and a half year great Trib. We are given in detail of this many and what to expect. Would God tell us tell us these things believing we would not be here? Who are the Saints? Who are the Elect?

 Please don’t say another group of unknown Christians suddenly becomes saints. . Please don’t assign the Elect as a different group of people outside of those living today.  For saints are the Elect are always God’s people through the entire Bible. . Revelation does not suddenly change the meaning. Matthew 24 or Revelation suddenly does not become a Jewish additional Old Testament Judaism teaching. Revelation is for Christians and Messianic Jews who believe in the Messiah Jesus Christ who came 2000 approximate years ago.   So Jews, Greek and Gentiles of the world receive the 27 books of the New Testament. . These are for all believers. . Don’t start saying this teaching is only for Jews Book or chapter. Don’t say this is an only Gentile book. Say these are Books for both Jews and Gentiles all who have placed Faith on Jesus dying for our Sins. .

 Anyone that teaches or believes a Pre trib Rapture or Mid trib Rapture is going to be placed in false security and very surprised what they expected never did occur..  The Bible teaches nowhere there will be a 7 year early Rapture or 3 and a half years early Rapture.

Did you know in 1830 a Scottish woman by the name of Margaret MacDonald was one of the first to depict the rapture and second coming by 2 separate events?  Then her 117 lines were recorded by John Darby in his Bible Commentary. Is this the way God wanted us to know a true Revelation by a woman living in Scotland in 1830 we should suddenly know the truth?

 I certainly will not believe in that. I believe as those in 1611 when the Kings James was introduced. Early Christians believe only in a second coming. A middle event did not exist. For if it didn’t exist then why should it then exist now?. . They tried to preserve the truth. This Generation denies that Truth.  I believe in the 1611 Generation Christians a second appearing of Christ period. Notice even 1Thess 4 tells us on the last Trumpet. What is the last trumpet? That is the seventh.  It also says the Dead will rise first. So why should the dead escape the great trib? It is for these reasons and Bible words of order of events Matthew 24 and 2Thess and Daniel 12 we are assured Christians will be here till the last day, to the last Trumpet, the number 7 which is completion and perfection in the eyes of God. . Shorten these prophecies and see what is going to happen. For all things must happen before the end shall come. ..   Jesus told us some of you will not taste Death that is those living in the 3 and a half years Great trib. Some of them will not see Death.

But in that Generation they will see the appearing of Christ. So if we are Alive or if we are dead we may be able to see that day appearing. Unless it is appointed to be resurrected 1000 years later in the case for many people.. . We must believe Jesus gave us all the signs for us to see. Why would he give us signs that Christians would not be here to see? And this is to be handed over to non believers to figure this out?  Not so. This called escapism. So if you depict an early departure from the Earth that to me is called fear. . . But I depict we will know those days if we are alive. . We will know that hour if we live in that hour.

For now we do not know that hour since that hour has not yet come upon us..   How do I feel? Yeah honestly to say kind of nervous as to how this all is going into play out. However my Faith has not ceased. We at home continue to Pray and Hope.  I know there is trouble in the Horizon. But I also must know a greater day happens after those things. . I Pray to God all True Christians will keep their Faith and rely totally on Gods help and discernment of His plan. . I’m not more special. I am not any better than any other believers. I am just one sheep among sheep ordinary simple among the flock body of the church of Christ.   I ask no person to follow after me or my ways. I ask others only to follow God and after the ways of God. I am as you as a Sheep and I do not lead. But as a sheep I will make noise about the Shepard and His plan to the best of my own understanding to try my best as other sheep to share the Gospel and encourage one another. Your friend GW

GW, I addressed the OP in post 13. You apparantly don't really want to hear what others have to say because you are repeating don't tell me this and don't tell me that.

I told you that Luke 21:36 says to Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things which will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. It also states in Revelation that the bowls contain the wrath judgements of God, and repeatedly we are told the we who are in Christ are not destined for wrath. See post 13 for references. I answer most often with supporting Scripture, because I gleen my beliefs from scripture. Moreover, I have outlined Revelations and spoken of end times events several times recently in other topics.

I stated that I find these times exciting as we watch prophecy being fullfilled.. It is with great anticipation that I look for the coming of my Lord Jesus Christ. For now we see in a glass dimly but then we shall see Him face to face. 1Cor 13, 1 John 3:2b We know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him face to face.

I have already endured threats and physical persecution for my faith. So I am sure that God will give me more grace to endure what I must. Romans 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. Phil 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ, to die is gain. All who seek to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. I told you how I have overcome fear because you and some others have expressed fear. But I have to admit a phobia of dentists during which I have repeated verses like The Lord is at hand! What can man do to me? and Behold, God is my Salvation, I will trust and will not be afraid. The Lord my God is my strength and my song; He also has become my salvation.

Like I stated, I have hidden God's Word in my heart and I depend on Him in daily situations. So I trust in Him and do not fear the future because He is always there for me. He is my ever present help in time of need. 1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us that whether we wake or sleep, WE SHALL EVER BE WITH HIM. So I do not believe I shall have to face the wrath of God. I am praying that I might be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming upon the whole earth as we are told to do in Luke 21:36. And I plan to continue to be with the Lord in any circumstances. This is obviously not what you wanted to hear, and I will not apologize for trusting in God's word. You may believe ancient traditions, The City of God by Augustine, or whatever source you want. I will not try to convince you any longer to trust God's word. However, it is only by trusting in His word and keeping my focus on Christ Jesus that I have faith to meet life's hardships.

Blessings,

Willa

[Spock]

Only the Father knows what day the Lord will come for His church. That part has little or nothing to do with satan.

We are told in Luke to pray that we be counted worthy to escape all the things that are to come upon the earth.

The reason that you have fear is that you are spending your time focusing on the enemy and what he might do. Instead focus on God and what He does on our behalf. If Christ lives in you and you in Him, He will give you the courage you need when the time comes. Not now. You can only walk on the water as Peter did by keeping your eyes on Jesus. As soon as your look at the world and the dangers around you you will sink. So stop it!

So learn to live a godly life in Christ Jesus now. No matter how we die, should it be today while walking accross the street or in the future, pray that we may glorify God in our lives as well as in our deaths.

 Hi Williamina. Thanks for the words of encouragement. But there is a little misunderstanding. The initial idea of this post was to see how people felt about the day of the Lord each having their own Dispensational view point included if they wanted. People could also share whether they were looking forward to this or any kind of uncertainty or fear.  As for me I admit the feeling is over whelming at most because it will mark the most important day since the crucifixion or that the Birth of Jesus life on Earth. The second appearing is the only event that can match or equate such a great event to occur. .

 I do not any longer believe Tim La Hayes or Hal Lyndsay. I believe Christians will be here during the whole antichrist 3 and a half year great Trib. We are given in detail of this many and what to expect. Would God tell us tell us these things believing we would not be here? Who are the Saints? Who are the Elect?

 Please don’t say another group of unknown Christians suddenly becomes saints. . Please don’t assign the Elect as a different group of people outside of those living today.  For saints are the Elect are always God’s people through the entire Bible. . Revelation does not suddenly change the meaning. Matthew 24 or Revelation suddenly does not become a Jewish additional Old Testament Judaism teaching. Revelation is for Christians and Messianic Jews who believe in the Messiah Jesus Christ who came 2000 approximate years ago.   So Jews, Greek and Gentiles of the world receive the 27 books of the New Testament. . These are for all believers. . Don’t start saying this teaching is only for Jews Book or chapter. Don’t say this is an only Gentile book. Say these are Books for both Jews and Gentiles all who have placed Faith on Jesus dying for our Sins. .

 Anyone that teaches or believes a Pre trib Rapture or Mid trib Rapture is going to be placed in false security and very surprised what they expected never did occur..  The Bible teaches nowhere there will be a 7 year early Rapture or 3 and a half years early Rapture.

Did you know in 1830 a Scottish woman by the name of Margaret MacDonald was one of the first to depict the rapture and second coming by 2 separate events?  Then her 117 lines were recorded by John Darby in his Bible Commentary. Is this the way God wanted us to know a true Revelation by a woman living in Scotland in 1830 we should suddenly know the truth?

 I certainly will not believe in that. I believe as those in 1611 when the Kings James was introduced. Early Christians believe only in a second coming. A middle event did not exist. For if it didn’t exist then why should it then exist now?. . They tried to preserve the truth. This Generation denies that Truth.  I believe in the 1611 Generation Christians a second appearing of Christ period. Notice even 1Thess 4 tells us on the last Trumpet. What is the last trumpet? That is the seventh.  It also says the Dead will rise first. So why should the dead escape the great trib? It is for these reasons and Bible words of order of events Matthew 24 and 2Thess and Daniel 12 we are assured Christians will be here till the last day, to the last Trumpet, the number 7 which is completion and perfection in the eyes of God. . Shorten these prophecies and see what is going to happen. For all things must happen before the end shall come. ..   Jesus told us some of you will not taste Death that is those living in the 3 and a half years Great trib. Some of them will not see Death.

But in that Generation they will see the appearing of Christ. So if we are Alive or if we are dead we may be able to see that day appearing. Unless it is appointed to be resurrected 1000 years later in the case for many people.. . We must believe Jesus gave us all the signs for us to see. Why would he give us signs that Christians would not be here to see? And this is to be handed over to non believers to figure this out?  Not so. This called escapism. So if you depict an early departure from the Earth that to me is called fear. . . But I depict we will know those days if we are alive. . We will know that hour if we live in that hour.

For now we do not know that hour since that hour has not yet come upon us..   How do I feel? Yeah honestly to say kind of nervous as to how this all is going into play out. However my Faith has not ceased. We at home continue to Pray and Hope.  I know there is trouble in the Horizon. But I also must know a greater day happens after those things. . I Pray to God all True Christians will keep their Faith and rely totally on Gods help and discernment of His plan. . I’m not more special. I am not any better than any other believers. I am just one sheep among sheep ordinary simple among the flock body of the church of Christ.   I ask no person to follow after me or my ways. I ask others only to follow God and after the ways of God. I am as you as a Sheep and I do not lead. But as a sheep I will make noise about the Shepard and His plan to the best of my own understanding to try my best as other sheep to share the Gospel and encourage one another. Your friend GW

GW, I addressed the OP in post 13. You apparantly don't really want to hear what others have to say because you are repeating don't tell me this and don't tell me that.

I told you that Luke 21:36 says to Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things which will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. It also states in Revelation that the bowls contain the wrath judgements of God, and repeatedly we are told the we who are in Christ are not destined for wrath. See post 13 for references. I answer most often with supporting Scripture, because I gleen my beliefs from scripture. Moreover, I have outlined Revelations and spoken of end times events several times recently in other topics.

I stated that I find these times exciting as we watch prophecy being fullfilled.. It is with great anticipation that I look for the coming of my Lord Jesus Christ. For now we see in a glass dimly but then we shall see Him face to face. 1Cor 13, 1 John 3:2b We know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him face to face.

I have already endured threats and physical persecution for my faith. So I am sure that God will give me more grace to endure what I must. Romans 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. Phil 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ, to die is gain. All who seek to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. I told you how I have overcome fear because you and some others have expressed fear. But I have to admit a phobia of dentists during which I have repeated verses like The Lord is at hand! What can man do to me? and Behold, God is my Salvation, I will trust and will not be afraid. The Lord my God is my strength and my song; He also has become my salvation.

Like I stated, I have hidden God's Word in my heart and I depend on Him in daily situations. So I trust in Him and do not fear the future because He is always there for me. He is my ever present help in time of need. 1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us that whether we wake or sleep, WE SHALL EVER BE WITH HIM. So I do not believe I shall have to face the wrath of God. I am praying that I might be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming upon the whole earth as we are told to do in Luke 21:36. And I plan to continue to be with the Lord in any circumstances. This is obviously not what you wanted to hear, and I will not apologize for trusting in God's word. You may believe ancient traditions, The City of God by Augustine, or whatever source you want. I will not try to convince you any longer to trust God's word. However, it is only by trusting in His word and keeping my focus on Christ Jesus that I have faith to meet life's hardships.

Blessings,

Willa

Willa,

Would it be forward of me to reach out and give you a great big hug? ((((((((((((((Hug))))))))))))))

Your words brought tears to my eyes just thinking about our Lord preparing to rescue his beloved bride and meet them in the air. I have chill bumps just reading your words.

Maranantha, come quickly Lord Jesus!

A still shaking Spock

[desi2007]

God's Word is our guideline for life and it is eternal. Through His word we can know God. The bottom line is this that the things  we spend so much emotional energy on will one day end, but Gods Word will continue forever. His presence is with us.

[Willa]

Only the Father knows what day the Lord will come for His church. That part has little or nothing to do with satan.

We are told in Luke to pray that we be counted worthy to escape all the things that are to come upon the earth.

The reason that you have fear is that you are spending your time focusing on the enemy and what he might do. Instead focus on God and what He does on our behalf. If Christ lives in you and you in Him, He will give you the courage you need when the time comes. Not now. You can only walk on the water as Peter did by keeping your eyes on Jesus. As soon as your look at the world and the dangers around you you will sink. So stop it!

So learn to live a godly life in Christ Jesus now. No matter how we die, should it be today while walking accross the street or in the future, pray that we may glorify God in our lives as well as in our deaths.

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GW, I addressed the OP in post 13. You apparantly don't really want to hear what others have to say because you are repeating don't tell me this and don't tell me that.

I told you that Luke 21:36 says to Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things which will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man. It also states in Revelation that the bowls contain the wrath judgements of God, and repeatedly we are told the we who are in Christ are not destined for wrath. See post 13 for references. I answer most often with supporting Scripture, because I gleen my beliefs from scripture. Moreover, I have outlined Revelations and spoken of end times events several times recently in other topics.

I stated that I find these times exciting as we watch prophecy being fullfilled.. It is with great anticipation that I look for the coming of my Lord Jesus Christ. For now we see in a glass dimly but then we shall see Him face to face. 1Cor 13, 1 John 3:2b We know that when He appears we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him face to face.

I have already endured threats and physical persecution for my faith. So I am sure that God will give me more grace to endure what I must. Romans 14:8 For if we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. Therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord's. Phil 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ, to die is gain. All who seek to live godly lives in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. I told you how I have overcome fear because you and some others have expressed fear. But I have to admit to a phobia of dentists during which I have repeated verses like The Lord is at hand! What can man do to me? and Behold, God is my Salvation, I will trust and will not be afraid. The Lord my God is my strength and my song; He also has become my salvation.

Like I stated, I have hidden God's Word in my heart and I depend on Him in daily situations. So I trust in Him and do not fear the future because He is always there for me. He is my ever present help in time of need. 1 Thess. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, who died for us that whether we wake or sleep, WE SHALL EVER BE WITH HIM. So I do not believe I shall have to face the wrath of God. I am praying that I might be counted worthy to escape the things that are coming upon the whole earth as we are told to do in Luke 21:36. And I plan to continue to be with the Lord in any circumstances. This is obviously not what you wanted to hear, and I will not apologize for trusting in God's word. You may believe ancient traditions, The City of God by Augustine, or whatever source you want. I will not try to convince you any longer to trust God's word. However, it is only by trusting in His word and keeping my focus on Christ Jesus that I have faith to meet life's hardships.

Blessings,

Willa

Willa,

Would it be forward of me to reach out and give you a great big hug? ((((((((((((((Hug))))))))))))))

Your words brought tears to my eyes just thinking about our Lord preparing to rescue his beloved bride and meet them in the air. I have chill bumps just reading your words.

Maranantha, come quickly Lord Jesus!

A still shaking Spock

Aw, Spock, you do have a way with the girls, don't you? Even great grandmothers. lol. Unfortunately, I can't take any credit for the words or work of the Holy Spirit. Those are God's hugs. He is the Comforter Who encourages us. So I will join with you in thanksgiving. He has given us exceedingly great and precious promises. Hebrews 13:5 Wuest Expanded Translation: Let your manner of life be without love of money, being satisfied with your present circumstances. For He Himself has said, and the statement is on record, I will not, I will not cease to sustain and uphold you. I will not, I will not, I will not let you down. So that, being of good courage, we are saying, The Lord is my helper. I will not fear. What shall man do to me?

[GlidingWings]

Hi Willa I apologize for the late post response. . There was just some shopping to take care of. I was not debating in this topic until it was brought back up.

 

It appears you have some high expectations of me but you don’t know me as a person.

Even though I am honest to admit that I have fear in some things in other things it has taken much courage. I believe we all have strong attributes and even those that are weaker. Only God can discern these things for he knows our hearts.

 

I’m a kind and friendly person, and pretty straightforward and honest if you get to know me as a friend. Qwik philly can verify this because I’ve written her a few times.

It is just to me in your post you made me sad with the words you said against me that

I have to defend my own faith.

 

Yet this is quite common on a lot of forums. People love debates and tearing each other down. I used to be one of those people. But now I’m finding more ways to be involved in threads to be more of an inspiration and giving encouragement to other believers.

Even if I have some fault and my obedience isn’t sufficient this is where Christ comes in who fulfilled the law in perfection, and grace and atonement for our sins.

For then who shall I answer to that except the Lord?

 

Concerning Bible Prophecy and end times I know these verses you speak of. These are the pattern of verses I was taught when I followed Hal Lyndsay.

But a few years ago I had to take a deeper look into why I couldn’t answer many questions they would not tell me.

Year after year Jesus was to return but when was this supposed to be? So I began to study

along with my partner at home. Like 2 oxen plowing the field from one end to the other. The old way I knew was like raking leaves on the lawn. That may keep the lawn clean but it won’t help the grass or soil.

 

These random verses are what I call single note scriptures. But we know that single notes don’t lead. An orchestra must lead and the single note needs to fit in the orchestra.

So Matthew 24 and 25 and the Book of Rev. are orchestra chapters that compromise notes, chords, rhythm, tempo, pitches and octaves. Yes just like a full song.

So the only true way to figure out verses like 1Thessalonians 5:9 we are not appointed unto wrath but unto salvation is a verse that must fit into the big picture.

When one makes 1Thess 5:9 as the leading verse against the whole orchestra this is reverse thinking and which is why pre and mid trib takes themselves out of this world out of Matt.24, 25, Thess, and Rev..

 

While it may be confusing as to the mystery how is it possible 1Thess 5:9 the seals, trumpets, and bowls to fit together side by side. It would only seem to make sense that Christians would be taken off the Earth, right?

This takes Matt.24 understanding. The testimony of Jesus is plain, clear and accurate.

He speaks in a chronological way of events and making no mention of a rapture from verse 1 to the birth pangs to verse 31 the end of the age. This presents a great problem since Jesus would not omit such an important event. We are talking about the orchestra big picture here. For in these songs we get full understanding.

So if we are to go all the way through then how do we avoid the wrath? So this is why many believe we will be taken out of the way. That is not the case because the Olivet Discourse uses a true testimony of which both Jews and Gentiles will endure.

For this is as much a message to Gentile Christians even as much as for the believing Jews of they who followed after Jesus. This is recorded in Matt because we are to know these things.

If it was God’s intention we were not to be here why make such emphasis on these events?

God had John write the Book of Rev. just so we won’t be here? So God told us things we should not know of? But Rev.1:3 tells us blessed is the one who hears and reads the words of these prophecies and all to the one that keeps this. For the time of the Lord will arrive quickly. So because we need to read and see this…this is a message God wants us to know. I will show how 1Thess 5:9 works.

 

Let’s go to another orchestra the Book of Exodus. God told Moses he will send plagues among the Egyptians. When God had done this all of his people were in the land of Egypt. Everyone was to witness as a true testimony. For then they couldn’t say Oh Lord and when did you see distinction between us your people and to those who have punished us? See it is very possible for God to execute judgments and never having to remove anyone out of that place.

The same holds true with the seals, trumpets, and bowls. We will not be removed off the Earth at that time but just as the Hebrews these judgments will not afflict us and why not?

1Thess 5:9 promises us we will not obtain wrath but only salvation. God is all powerful and doesn’t need to take us out of the way. But he will on the last bowl, trumpet and seal.

Look specifically in the six seal the people shall say look the Lamb has arrived. We tremble with fear his wrath has come upon us. For the Day of the Lord is a day of both deliverance and of wrath. How can this be possible to happen at once?

Because know of the 10^th plague in Exodus what God had done.  Those who had the blood over the door saw there deliverance, but every 1^st born son had died to those who didn’t have the blood. So In the NT anyone who’s spiritually has the blood of Jesus as their salvation they will not endure the judgments or his wrath.

 

Last I want to share this but you say you speak of Moses. God says this will be the days of Noah and Lot surely it will be. Do you remember God told Noah in 7 days you’re to go into the ark? I will make it rain for 40 days and 40 nights. Do you remember in Sodom as in the days of Lot God sent down fire so it will be so?

The 7 year trib is as the 7 days God told Noah to wait. For 7 years we will make ourselves be ready. But at the end of those 7 years then Jesus will the Son of Man appearing on the clouds. For even as a flood the wicked that followed after the beast shall be killed and the elect shall gather with him.

But those like the remnant Jews will also be alive. For god gave them instruction to keep themselves in safety. As for Lot there will be hailstones coming down to the Earth.

For this is the judgment from heaven from God. For even as the day of Noah and Lot shall be the day of the Son of man the judgment of God.

So it is not the 7 years that represent the great flood because even in those years the rebellious and wicked shall still be alive. They will not when the Lord returns.

This is why like the 10 virgins we are given signs to be watchful of these things.

To look for a secret rapture there would be nothing to look for. But since we would be his people and that God loves us he gives us the mysteries to his unfolding plan and the rewards he stores for true believers.