Deception in nonbelievers / Power in believers

[John SOG]

amen

[other one]

It would probably be a good idea for you to look through some of the very very very long Sabbath threads before you start introducing the subject into other threads..

[His_disciple3]

and worse I am familiar with a lady who at one time in her life was on her last leg and no one would come to her rescue in any way......    She practices black witchcraft and is a devoted follower of Satan....   she will tell you that she understands that Satan can not win the fight with God, but since he was the only one to show her love she is following him right into the fires of hell, and understands that's where she's headed.......   and is very comfortable knowing it's her choice.  She is actually a believer but has chosen the dark side.  She needs prayer.

 

You mean she is deceived to think she is a believer?

James 2:19

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

KJV

[kwikphilly]

Blessings DRS81

      Getting back to your OP,I am not sure ibf those are really questions or statements,so do pardon me if I misunderstand what you are really trying to get across????

       You said non believers cannot see their sin & do not believe in the devil(sounds like a statement?)   But in response to that being said....I think we cannot categorize ALL unbelievers into one group or for that matter I think it depends on the individual......the Holy Spirit can & will convict anyones heart at anytime or not......plus,there are many a non-believer that knows exactly what they are doing & willingly choose to sin,,,,,,as far as non believers not believing in the devil,again.....depends on the individual,some do /some don't

           Can a believer see sin visibly & clear?Really? Again,people are individuals & individual believers are all at a specific place in their Christianity & their walk with Christ....ultimately from the time we arrive at the foot of the cross,surrender to Christ & submit to His Lordship,our walk with Him should bring us right to the Throne of Grace & into the arms of our Loving Father ......by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit we walk in spirit & in truth ...having the heart & mind of Christ Jesus......some are on a very short walk,some tour the neighborhood first.......we reside in a body of flesh & blood which is at war with our spirit,,,, the more we decrease(crucifying our own flesh on the cross with Jesus)the more He will increase...............in all of this our hearts are convicted by the Holy Spirit,whether or not one will see their sin CLEARLY(or temptations or iniquities)would depend greatly on their submitting to Christ with out reservations & their willingness to receive what the Holy Spirit reveals..................some believers know about Jesus & truly do not KNOW Jesus,can He then give His Holy Spirit?He did not give His Spirit to the apostles right away after He rose from the dead until they were fully committed to Him......we cannot truly know a persons relationship with God as we cannot see their heart.....there is only one person that I can answer for with this question....that is myself....

         Special Power?That was answered enough times,,,,,none at all,but access to ...& by the Holy Spirit,,,,,Glory to God!!!!!

Lastly ,can the believer see deception in the non-believer......I think this may be better said that with discernment to try & know the spirits by the Power of the Holy Spirit ,yes.....do all receive this gift,no......must one have the gift to discern,no -the Holy Spirit can reveal whatever He wants ,whenever He wants to whoever He wants

         Praise be to God,may the Holy Spirit lead you & guide you into all of Gods Timeless Truths

                                                                                                                                                  In Christ Jesus,peace & joy to you'

                                                                                                                                                                        Kwik

[Donibm]

This is interesting topic for me.

Since nonbelievers cannot see their own sin (or do not believe in a devil),

can believers see their sin as visual and clear.

Does this give believers a specific power,

for example..we can see the devil's work (the deception) in that nonbeliever as visual and clear.

 

Well ...

 

It's all about the Holy Spirit, aint it?  :-) He convicts, reminds, encourages, and reveals.  The world does not know Him, and cannot receive Him.  So, I'd say that you are accurate.  Maybe not detailed, but definately on the side of Truth.

 

"None of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand" - Daniel, in his prophecy of the last days.

 

 

 

And what is "power"?  Isn't Power of the Holy Spirit?  Jesus told them to tarry in Jerusalem until POWER from on high came down on them.  He was talking about the Spirit.

 

 

And what of the other Scripture that says that [psuedoChristians and religious people] will have a FORM of Godliness, but will deny the POWER thereof?  Again, they lack the Spirit.  So ... I believe the Holy Spirit is at the core of it all.  He convicts all men of sin - saint and sinner alike.  Moreso us though.  After all, didn't Jesus say that part of the function of the Holy Spirit is to:

 

John 16 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of SIN, and of righteousness, and of judgment: