Mediums and Clairvoyants

[He giveth more grace]

Well, that is defiantly not the gifts of the spirit, If Satan casts out Satan....

?? Not sure who you are talking to in this one?

That would be man whose Pastor who came into his house. :-)

That would be the OP.

[He giveth more grace]

I don't want the above post to be misconstrued it wasn't posted AT anyone, just my thoughts out loud.

[mevosper]

Heartprint says "Nowhere in the bible are "mediums and clairvoyants" used and personally I think these things are a form of witchcraft.  Now had the pastor introduced this woman as having a gift of knowledge, or a discernment of spirits then I wouldn't feel so uneasy.."

 

 

I know this is going to sound snarky, but I must ask: What does it matter what "label" is applied, aren't the contents the same?

[Willa]

Leave that church. It permits forbidden things and even encourages it. They are not open to correction.

Agree with Jade.

[Guest]

I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons.

 

He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it.

 

When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace..

 

I asked genuine questions...

 

For example, the maniac was possessed.

 

This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved.

 

I've been told I just need to agree to disagree;

 

that this isn't a doctrinal issues

 

and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare.

 

So, I post here, in genuine interest and research

 

to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic.

 

Thoughts?

 

Further points to study?

 

~

 

Say

 

Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.

 

And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

 

To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isaiah 8:18-20

 

What~!

 

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

[other one]

Spiritual Warfare: Christians, Demonization and Deliverance
Karl Payne
 

 

I have found that this book is the best advice in dealing with demonic activity.   you can get it at amazon as a kindle book for

$7.69

[Warrior777]

Help... I've recently stopped attending a church that I've been a member of for over 15 years. This church has a special place in my heart. I had our pastor visit our home to pray over it, in Jesus' name. (We had been experiencing some spiritual attacks at home.)

He came over and brought a saved church member. He introduced her as a medium/clairvoyant and said she will help in finding open doors for demonic activity in the home. He also said this person would channel the name of the demon so we know who we were standing aga9inst.

All said and done, my spirit was greatly distraught to learn that he uses a medium to channel the spirit world. While it's NOT necromancy, it is consulting familiar spirits (Deuteronomy 18:11).

I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons. He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it. When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace.. I asked genuine questions... For example, the maniac was possessed. This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved. I've been told I just need to agree to disagree; that this isn't a doctrinal issues and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare. So, I post here, in genuine interest and research to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic. Thoughts? Further points to study?

 

IF those are the terms that were used I definitely would leave that church and also do some cleansing in your house and yourself. This is clearly from the occult and getting involved with that is a sin in God's eyes. One NEVER 'channels' a demon, if doing deliverance with a person sometimes demons start talking, then it can be interrogated like Jesus did with the Gadarene. I would repent and then renounce any clairvoyance, medium, spiritists, conjuring up demons, witchcraft and all involvement in the occult. Then command it out of yourself (just in case something got in from that session in your house) and then out of your house. Plead the blood of Jesus over yourself  (family) and the house. What was the original problem that you had the pastor come over? 

Edited September 16, 2014 by Warrior777

[Secret__]

Heartprint says "Nowhere in the bible are "mediums and clairvoyants" used and personally I think these things are a form of witchcraft.  Now had the pastor introduced this woman as having a gift of knowledge, or a discernment of spirits then I wouldn't feel so uneasy.."

 

 

I know this is going to sound snarky, but I must ask: What does it matter what "label" is applied, aren't the contents the same?

No, it is not the same.  Some of us can spiritually discern spirits with the Holy Spirit.

Edited September 9, 2015 by Secret__

[missmuffet]

Mediums and clairvoyants are evil.

[de1929]

On 8/5/2014 at 10:46 AM, wayfaringstranger said:

Help... I've recently stopped attending a church that I've been a member of for over 15 years. This church has a special place in my heart. I had our pastor visit our home to pray over it, in Jesus' name. (We had been experiencing some spiritual attacks at home.)

 

He came over and brought a saved church member. He introduced her as a medium/clairvoyant and said she will help in finding open doors for demonic activity in the home. He also said this person would channel the name of the demon so we know who we were standing aga9inst.

 

All said and done, my spirit was greatly distraught to learn that he uses a medium to channel the spirit world. While it's NOT necromancy, it is consulting familiar spirits (Deuteronomy 18:11).

 

I was advised that the Scripture put on my heart while he was here was divisive and likely from the demons. He stated 1 Corinthians 12:10 supports this (root word diskrisis for discerning) and also stated Luke 8, regarding the maniac of Gedara is another that supports it. When I brought questions to him regarding this, I was met with defensiveness, though I came in peace.. I asked genuine questions... For example, the maniac was possessed. This person he brought to our home was not possessed and , in fact, is saved. I've been told I just need to agree to disagree; that this isn't a doctrinal issues and, furthermore, is a common practice in spiritual warfare. So, I post here, in genuine interest and research to understand if I'm misunderstanding God's Word on this topic. Thoughts? Further points to study?

I can't say yes or no, because i need more data.

if you are testing your pastor, the medium/clairvoyant with exegesis sola scripture approach. they all are wrong. period.

if you are testing your pastor, the medium/clairvoyant with capability to confess JESUS is GOD and personal savior, then it's completely different story.

more importantly, are you still monitorint this thread ?