How Is A Christian Lady Supposed to Dress?

[Openly Curious]

@ Openly Curious.  There is a lot to cover, but I will try to be brief.  If what I said sounds like a whining child, I would have to refer you back to your first comment in this thread, and how it sounds like a whiny child complaining over how we have all these threads about women and leave out the men entirely.  You did the exact same thing.  You ask why I put the greater emphasis on clothing and outward appearance if it should be on the inner man?  I could ask you the same thing.  I tried to explain that this passage is more about the inner person, but you along with many others have put the emphasis on modesty, and in your case, for men and women.  Again, you did the exact same thing you are saying something negative to me about.  There is also the issue of more importance verses no importance.  The inner man may be the most important issue, but that doesn't mean the outward doesn't matter.

Ruffled feathers I see. I was actually trying to make a point at the start of the thread I guess you didn't get it. The point I was making more sarcastic than whiny I would say. But I believe when studying, meditating on the scriptures on a verse of scripture the surrounding scripture especially in the case of 1 Timothy 2 texy has to be included for the whole picture. I happen to believe and know that both men and women are being addressed in said chapter and is talking and teaching us about prayer and sobriety above all. We do as men and women want our prayers to not be hindered.

I included men in my comments because it seems the emphasis is always towards the women when this chapter is being discussed and nothing else, and it is addressing both. We are taught to humble ourselves and serve one another in love but it is a willing humbleness and submission that can't be dictated to an outward dress code of some sorts that people want to make up and shove in someone's face. My emphasis is on humility. I've known alot of people down through the years who believed in a dress code and they were some of the meanest, deceitfulest workers and hatefulest people on the inside. The outward never will reflect the darkness in the inward man. But the light of the inward reflects much on the good and bad within the inward man of the heart. That dress code can't clean up the heart.

Forgive me if I "sounded" whiny to you, as you did to me. But in the OP it went exactly like that. There is to be had greater understanding surrounding that verse of scripture to open up it's meaning. But from your own words you know the "Greater Emphasis" of the passage is being taught is the inward man, but you willingly choose to teach the "Lesser Emphasis". Well that doesn't make logical or spiritual sense to me, the natural or flesh over the spiritual emphasis.

Maybe it makes perfect sense to you but it doesn't to me. I also pointed along the way that there are various reasons why these types of threads are many in response to something someone posted. As I happen to believe in my heart that they are other reasons why. But some women and men are young in age and they are sincerly seeking truth and what the scripture are saying to them on a personal level and haven't come to terms concerning the topic, but the topic seems to be mocked in their eyes. Then it all becomes about the battle of the sexes more than gaining the understanding. There are some that start these threads for the sheer joy of stirring stife among the brethren as they are getting their kicks from it. There are all kinds of reason why these types of threads are repetious. Oh well guess you missed my point, maybe the whiny got in the way.

I have commented and gave some examples of both the men and women in this thread indeed about modesty but it was to broaden our thoughts on the men and womens inward man and how it is being dressed and how we measure up. But you are dead wrong if you think I am placing all the emphasis on the passage of text in the OP as just being about modesty cause it just ain't so and now you know so. I don't believe that wearing a certain type of clothing is going to make any man or women righteous, nor will it give them them a spirit of humility or cause them to bear the fruits of the Spirit and walk in the Spirit. Except in the cases where other weaker brethren are being hurt by someone's indiscretions whatever that may mean to a women personally in her daily life and in the manner of her dress of her choosing and there are many indiscretions in our lives and it ain't all about modesty and clothing either in or out of church.

[Openly Curious]

Now let's all go to the main attraction...maybe get a box of craker jacks.

[Matthew T.]

Ruffled feathers I see. I was actually trying to make a point at the start of the thread I guess you didn't get it. The point I was making more sarcastic than whiny I would say. But I believe when studying, meditating on the scriptures on a verse of scripture the surrounding scripture especially in the case of 1 Timothy 2 texy has to be included for the whole picture. I happen to believe and know that both men and women are being addressed in said chapter and is talking and teaching us about prayer and sobriety above all. We do as men and women want our prayers to not be hindered.

I included men in my comments because it seems the emphasis is always towards the women when this chapter is being discussed and nothing else, and it is addressing both. We are taught to humble ourselves and serve one another in love but it is a willing humbleness and submission that can't be dictated to an outward dress code of some sorts that people want to make up and shove in someone's face. My emphasis is on humility. I've known alot of people down through the years who believed in a dress code and they were some of the meanest, deceitfulest workers and hatefulest people on the inside. The outward never will reflect the darkness in the inward man. But the light of the inward reflects much on the good and bad within the inward man of the heart. That dress code can't clean up the heart.

Forgive me if I "sounded" whiny to you, as you did to me. But in the OP it went exactly like that. There is to be had greater understanding surrounding that verse of scripture to open up it's meaning. But from your own words you know the "Greater Emphasis" of the passage is being taught is the inward man, but you willingly choose to teach the "Lesser Emphasis". Well that doesn't make logical or spiritual sense to me, the natural or flesh over the spiritual emphasis.

Maybe it makes perfect sense to you but it doesn't to me. I also pointed along the way that there are various reasons why these types of threads are many in response to something someone posted. As I happen to believe in my heart that they are other reasons why. But some women and men are young in age and they are sincerly seeking truth and what the scripture are saying to them on a personal level and haven't come to terms concerning the topic, but the topic seems to be mocked in their eyes. Then it all becomes about the battle of the sexes more than gaining the understanding. There are some that start these threads for the sheer joy of stirring stife among the brethren as they are getting their kicks from it. There are all kinds of reason why these types of threads are repetious. Oh well guess you missed my point, maybe the whiny got in the way.

I have commented and gave some examples of both the men and women in this thread indeed about modesty but it was to broaden our thoughts on the men and womens inward man and how it is being dressed and how we measure up. But you are dead wrong if you think I am placing all the emphasis on the passage of text in the OP as just being about modesty cause it just ain't so and now you know so. I don't believe that wearing a certain type of clothing is going to make any man or women righteous, nor will it give them them a spirit of humility or cause them to bear the fruits of the Spirit and walk in the Spirit. Except in the cases where other weaker brethren are being hurt by someone's indiscretions whatever that may mean to a women personally in her daily life and in the manner of her dress of her choosing and there are many indiscretions in our lives and it ain't all about modesty and clothing either in or out of church.

 

 

I'm sorry in advance because I know my response to you, OC, will just be viewed as an arrogant flame... and that's just deception from the enEmy.

 

All I wish to convey is... "Amen".

[LadyKay]

I don't like these kind of topics and this is why. It is like you are pointing at someone and judging their Christian walk bass on how they are dressed. I mean can I really look out my window and say "well that person isn't a Christian just  look what they have on?" I mean they are so many different thoughts and ideals on what someone should wear. For example there is a church in my hometown here who believe that women should wear dresses all the time no matter what. To do wear anything other then that would be a sin. So I am sure that many of the people who believe that way would look at me in my jeans and t-shirt and judge me to not be dressing as a Christian. So do you get the point I am trying to make here? Just let people be. Let God work it out with them.

[Floatingaxe]

I don't like these kind of topics and this is why. It is like you are pointing at someone and judging their Christian walk bass on how they are dressed. I mean can I really look out my window and say "well that person isn't a Christian just  look what they have on?" I mean they are so many different thoughts and ideals on what someone should wear. For example there is a church in my hometown here who believe that women should wear dresses all the time no matter what. To do wear anything other then that would be a sin. So I am sure that many of the people who believe that way would look at me in my jeans and t-shirt and judge me to not be dressing as a Christian. So do you get the point I am trying to make here? Just let people be. Let God work it out with them.

 

Righto! Those kinds of churches are placing women (and men) in spiritual bondage.

[Openly Curious]

I stand by anything I said about why issues of women's clothes and appearance come up so much.  It happens because "people" can easily observe sin taking place in that area, or at least have questions over whether a sin is being committed, as was the case in the OP.  I don't think women are necessarily ignorant over scriptures about clothing and outward appearance.  I have come in contact with many that know exactly what scripture says.  I would say it is more like they try to defend doing things that are sinful because they want to do it.  I have already had one woman admit women wearing pants was dressing like a guy, another admit the double standard that exists, and one say that if she had to give up pants, she would have to throw up her hands.  What happens is that people look for ways to claim what they are doing is ok, even when faced with scripture saying that it is not ok.  Do men really have the freedom to get up and wear whatever they want?  Not hardly.  There is a battle going on in some fast food restaurants involving men who want to dress like women openly, and "News Flash," they can't do it.  On the other hand, women can and do dress like men or women.  They can wear the exact same clothing as their male counterparts, or a dress.  Men are not free to go around with long hair in many work places.  They can't where I work, but women can have very short hair or long hair.  There is a clear double standard.  If it sounds whiny to point that out, how did you sound complaining about the OP?  I would say whiny.

 

 

Well Butero I am glad that you stand up for what you believe admirable trait and I'm not asking you to take nothing back that you said as I have respect for the views of others. However I did notice you used the word "people" this time who are the ones who "notices" these things going on in the world you spoke of. Rather than using the word "men" as the only ones that notices these things going on in the world. Women you have now graduated and acknowledged that you know too what is going on in the world around you. Just an interesting observation.

I'm quite sure you have run into all kinds of people along the way in life who knows what scriptures say no matter their sex. Just curious as an example only to make a point. If I was tos start a thread and my subject in the OP was let's say the passage of scriptures in Philippians 4 and I layed out my beliefs and opinions of said scripture which tells and teaches us saints that we are to literally think on those thing which are written down which are very clear and precise. Those things being we are to think on things that are true, honest,just, pure, lovely, of good report and if they be any "virtue or praise" to think on these things.

Then I started elorborating on my views in the discussion saying this passage means No bad tv viewing of any kind if what your watching isn't reflecting these things then you have to give them up or your in sin. Then I added listening to secular music attaching that to the scriptures meaning and say secular music that does not reflect on these things then you have to give them up or you are in sin.

But you come along and read my OP and you totally DISAGREE" with what my opinions and beliefs are about said scripture. I'm just curious how would you "DEFEND" yourself. I have a guess but it's just a calulated guess. That guess is that you would come along enter the thread and "DEFEND" yourself in the same manner in which you say about all the others. You too would deny the clear teaching that is written and would say it doesn't mean or it you believe doesn't apply to tv and secular music those are not bad sinful things. Butero I don't see you as any different as in all the examples that you use of the people you've come in contact with.

If you didn't believe something to be the right teaching even though it's clear then your defense would be the same as those you describe. You wouldn't accept something clearly spelled out you would reject it say you didn't believe it and give reasons to explain it all away you would defend bad ttv viewing and secular music as your defense to keep doing do your own thing. I'm guessing.

Men do have the freedom of dress if they choose to use it. They may not be able to go just any old were they please and be accepted and allowed in certain places and circles same as the women folk. You can dismiss that freedom of the men if you want too. Some men want exercise that freedom for other reasons and by a willing choice of their own. Such as for the sake of work to provide for their families. I believe men because of family responsibility as provider want take chances in loosing their paychecks. Despite all the examples you use trying to prove they don't I don't see as true. But ou can be accepted or rejected by people regardless of your gender in your manner of dress as both sexes have this freedom to practice. To me I am trying to have a real discussion sharing my thoughts and opinions and beliefs you can argue with me if you want and disagree with me as well all that you wish to. Doesn't mean my views on the subject are going to change because you think women have more freedom than the men do. Men have freedom of choice to wear what they wish in life or in the Lord if one feels somehow restricted. Then one is being restricted by their own choices and not the fault of others they place the restrainst on themselves for whatever reason in which they do. You are cleverly creative.

[Openly Curious]

Ruffled feathers I see. I was actually trying to make a point at the start of the thread I guess you didn't get it. The point I was making more sarcastic than whiny I would say. But I believe when studying, meditating on the scriptures on a verse of scripture the surrounding scripture especially in the case of 1 Timothy 2 texy has to be included for the whole picture. I happen to believe and know that both men and women are being addressed in said chapter and is talking and teaching us about prayer and sobriety above all. We do as men and women want our prayers to not be hindered.

I included men in my comments because it seems the emphasis is always towards the women when this chapter is being discussed and nothing else, and it is addressing both. We are taught to humble ourselves and serve one another in love but it is a willing humbleness and submission that can't be dictated to an outward dress code of some sorts that people want to make up and shove in someone's face. My emphasis is on humility. I've known alot of people down through the years who believed in a dress code and they were some of the meanest, deceitfulest workers and hatefulest people on the inside. The outward never will reflect the darkness in the inward man. But the light of the inward reflects much on the good and bad within the inward man of the heart. That dress code can't clean up the heart.

Forgive me if I "sounded" whiny to you, as you did to me. But in the OP it went exactly like that. There is to be had greater understanding surrounding that verse of scripture to open up it's meaning. But from your own words you know the "Greater Emphasis" of the passage is being taught is the inward man, but you willingly choose to teach the "Lesser Emphasis". Well that doesn't make logical or spiritual sense to me, the natural or flesh over the spiritual emphasis.

Maybe it makes perfect sense to you but it doesn't to me. I also pointed along the way that there are various reasons why these types of threads are many in response to something someone posted. As I happen to believe in my heart that they are other reasons why. But some women and men are young in age and they are sincerly seeking truth and what the scripture are saying to them on a personal level and haven't come to terms concerning the topic, but the topic seems to be mocked in their eyes. Then it all becomes about the battle of the sexes more than gaining the understanding. There are some that start these threads for the sheer joy of stirring stife among the brethren as they are getting their kicks from it. There are all kinds of reason why these types of threads are repetious. Oh well guess you missed my point, maybe the whiny got in the way.

I have commented and gave some examples of both the men and women in this thread indeed about modesty but it was to broaden our thoughts on the men and womens inward man and how it is being dressed and how we measure up. But you are dead wrong if you think I am placing all the emphasis on the passage of text in the OP as just being about modesty cause it just ain't so and now you know so. I don't believe that wearing a certain type of clothing is going to make any man or women righteous, nor will it give them them a spirit of humility or cause them to bear the fruits of the Spirit and walk in the Spirit. Except in the cases where other weaker brethren are being hurt by someone's indiscretions whatever that may mean to a women personally in her daily life and in the manner of her dress of her choosing and there are many indiscretions in our lives and it ain't all about modesty and clothing either in or out of church.

 

I'm sorry in advance because I know my response to you, OC, will just be viewed as an arrogant flame... and that's just deception from the enEmy.

 

All I wish to convey is... "Amen".

You don't owe me any kind of apologies you did me no wrong. Although I was eager to hear what you had to say in light of the thread. I wouldn't let others stop me from posting your thoughts, opinions or your beliefs because the do matter and are important despite the fact that others are rejecting and mocking. There may be just a word in what you say or a sentence just a little thought you share, that might lead a women in her direction in this area of her life and the confusion will turn to peace. I take the topic serious and I pay attention to what is being posted.

[missmuffet]

 

I stand by anything I said about why issues of women's clothes and appearance come up so much.  It happens because "people" can easily observe sin taking place in that area, or at least have questions over whether a sin is being committed, as was the case in the OP.  I don't think women are necessarily ignorant over scriptures about clothing and outward appearance.  I have come in contact with many that know exactly what scripture says.  I would say it is more like they try to defend doing things that are sinful because they want to do it.  I have already had one woman admit women wearing pants was dressing like a guy, another admit the double standard that exists, and one say that if she had to give up pants, she would have to throw up her hands.  What happens is that people look for ways to claim what they are doing is ok, even when faced with scripture saying that it is not ok.  Do men really have the freedom to get up and wear whatever they want?  Not hardly.  There is a battle going on in some fast food restaurants involving men who want to dress like women openly, and "News Flash," they can't do it.  On the other hand, women can and do dress like men or women.  They can wear the exact same clothing as their male counterparts, or a dress.  Men are not free to go around with long hair in many work places.  They can't where I work, but women can have very short hair or long hair.  There is a clear double standard.  If it sounds whiny to point that out, how did you sound complaining about the OP?  I would say whiny.

 

 

Well Butero I am glad that you stand up for what you believe admirable trait and I'm not asking you to take nothing back that you said as I have respect for the views of others. However I did notice you used the word "people" this time who are the ones who "notices" these things going on in the world you spoke of. Rather than using the word "men" as the only ones that notices these things going on in the world. Women you have now graduated and acknowledged that you know too what is going on in the world around you. Just an interesting observation.

I'm quite sure you have run into all kinds of people along the way in life who knows what scriptures say no matter their sex. Just curious as an example only to make a point. If I was tos start a thread and my subject in the OP was let's say the passage of scriptures in Philippians 4 and I layed out my beliefs and opinions of said scripture which tells and teaches us saints that we are to literally think on those thing which are written down which are very clear and precise. Those things being we are to think on things that are true, honest,just, pure, lovely, of good report and if they be any "virtue or praise" to think on these things.

Then I started elorborating on my views in the discussion saying this passage means No bad tv viewing of any kind if what your watching isn't reflecting these things then you have to give them up or your in sin. Then I added listening to secular music attaching that to the scriptures meaning and say secular music that does not reflect on these things then you have to give them up or you are in sin.

But you come along and read my OP and you totally DISAGREE" with what my opinions and beliefs are about said scripture. I'm just curious how would you "DEFEND" yourself. I have a guess but it's just a calulated guess. That guess is that you would come along enter the thread and "DEFEND" yourself in the same manner in which you say about all the others. You too would deny the clear teaching that is written and would say it doesn't mean or it you believe doesn't apply to tv and secular music those are not bad sinful things. Butero I don't see you as any different as in all the examples that you use of the people you've come in contact with.

If you didn't believe something to be the right teaching even though it's clear then your defense would be the same as those you describe. You wouldn't accept something clearly spelled out you would reject it say you didn't believe it and give reasons to explain it all away you would defend bad ttv viewing and secular music as your defense to keep doing do your own thing. I'm guessing.

Men do have the freedom of dress if they choose to use it. They may not be able to go just any old were they please and be accepted and allowed in certain places and circles same as the women folk. You can dismiss that freedom of the men if you want too. Some men want exercise that freedom for other reasons and by a willing choice of their own. Such as for the sake of work to provide for their families. I believe men because of family responsibility as provider want take chances in loosing their paychecks. Despite all the examples you use trying to prove they don't I don't see as true. But ou can be accepted or rejected by people regardless of your gender in your manner of dress as both sexes have this freedom to practice. Still stuck on that whiny thing. I was trying to make a point at the start of the thread make of it what you will you call it complaining I was just getting involved in a thread about a woman's manner of dress which is odd as I rarely get involved. To me I am trying to have a real discussion sharing my thoughts and opinions and beliefs you can argue with me if you want and disagree with me as well all that you want to. Doesn't mean my views on the subject are going to change because you think women have more freedom than the men do. It sounds like your jealous of the women or something because you don't think you have the freedom of choice to wear what you wish in life or in the Lord and can't grow your hair long as your somehow restricted if you are restricted it's by your own choice and none others fault. You are cleverly creative.

 

Well said   Women are going to be excepted for their inappropriate choice of apparel among their own.Do you notice that people stick together who have the same ideas and beliefs?Someone who is a very liberal person and does not have the best character,integrity,morals and values will shun someone who they know is a Christian and is very conservative.It just seems like they go around in packs. 

[Openly Curious]

I don't like these kind of topics and this is why. It is like you are pointing at someone and judging their Christian walk bass on how they are dressed. I mean can I really look out my window and say "well that person isn't a Christian just  look what they have on?" I mean they are so many different thoughts and ideals on what someone should wear. For example there is a church in my hometown here who believe that women should wear dresses all the time no matter what. To do wear anything other then that would be a sin. So I am sure that many of the people who believe that way would look at me in my jeans and t-shirt and judge me to not be dressing as a Christian. So do you get the point I am trying to make here? Just let people be. Let God work it out with them.

Well LadyKay you certainly didn't roll on this one you put it out there. These topics I believe are needed as there are those who are seeking the truth on the matter and want to know it. But finding it is the trouble they are having. But it will take real discussion taking place and learning from one another in what we share from scriptures. And yes a person has to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. 1 Corinthians 13 is the more excellent way these three remain, faith, hope and love. I want some of the lasting kind.

[oldzimm]

Wow this is an big debate, and I'm not even going to comment on what a woman should wear (much safer that way), but I will tell a story.

 

Funny but just a few days ago I was thinking about David and Bathsheba, when David seen Bathsheba naked on the rooftop. I was wondering what should have David done to be correct in the eyes of God? Then my mind went fast forward to the 1970's, when I young soldier in a military barracks. I had a friend, an old soldier who was a very strong in his Christian faith and everybody knew of his faith. I witnessed two young soldiers walk up to my friend and they had a playboy magazine with them, opened it up to the centerfold, showed it to my friend and said hey what do you think of this picture. I thought oh no this old soldier is going to be so embarrassed, I felt sorry for him, But he wasn't embarrassed, he didn't let these two get the best of him. What the old soldier did was to briefly look at the picture, then he looked up to the two young soldiers and said "it's just a picture of a beautiful woman that God has created", he then casually walked away. God has allowed this confrontation between the old soldier and the two young soldier to remain in my head all these years.

 

I think that is what David should have done when he seen Bathsheba on that rooftop, say she was a beautiful woman that God has created and walked away.

 

How about us men of this day an age, we live in a world where there are women dressing less than modestly on the streets, beach, parks, movies, TV, you just can't get away from it unless we live alone deep in the mountains (lol not a bad idea). We as Christian men when confronted by a sight of a women dress less than modestly, can we casually turn and walk away and leave it at that?

 

 

Oldzimm