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May I say...

 

We are in the world but not of the world. Meaning there is an ideal situation and then there is a pragmatic one. Yes it would be lovely if men would not drool all over women and if women did not expose themselves to whatever degree men cannot take their eyes off of them... but we live in an evil world. And we all have sin natures that we should keep bottled up by living through the Spirit rather than the flesh.

 

Usually when I had near fatal moral lapses in the past and I repented of them I would read in the scriptures the ideal (may I say, Utopian / Heaven like) conditions which we have never had here on Earth (because even when people dressed from head to toe the lust was still in our hearts). I am not saying women should throw restraint to the wind either. The terrible atrocities men and women do to them are NOT DESERVED... but throwing gasoline on a fire it is reasonable to deduce was a contributing factor to the conflagration. This still does not exonerate the victimizer! In fact, men who raped anyone or anything in the past were castrated or even put to death. 

 

The Law (where one finds the strict guidelines for apparel AND lust) is to establish what sin is and to condemn it.

 

Grace is to save us AND to deal with sin as we remain in the world till we die or Jesus returns.

 

This removes us from the always dealing with sin mode to always spreading the Gospel despite the sin in the world and in us.

 

Not a license to sin. Think not? Try it. It's a simple lab course in how to get the grieved Holy Spirit to inundate you for whatever... You and I are HIS PROPERTY. And he will show us just how much we take for granted in this life once he starts to remove the blessings for our abusing his grace. Health... wealth... even to the annoying little things that always seem to go wrong... You are still saved. He will take you out of this life before that could be changed (1 Corinthians 5:5). But he can remove your loved ones from your life, cause you to lose your job your home your ability to earn a living... he can put you into an abusive situation...

 

Do we really want to test God on this?

 

Is that stupid sin we just can't do without truly worth it?

 

I am speaking equally to men and women here.

 

In Jesus' day the teaching of rabbi Hillel was in its second generation. Hillel was the grandfather of Gamaliel. In the school of Hillel was a teaching that a woman who exposed her legs (or hair) before men who were not her husband (even if accidentally) was guilty of a divorceable offense. Read that adultery. 

 

This he based on Leviticus 18:8 and Isaiah 47:1-3.

 

In the Sermon on the Mount, or as I like to refer to it as the Sermon Putting the Law Back on Track, Jesus addressed this one-sided teaching thus:

 

Matthew 5:27–30 (AV)

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

 

He did not refute Hillel. He pointed to the rabbi's omission to the flip side of that teaching:

 

 

Job 31:1–13 (AV)

1I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?

2For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?

3Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?

4Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps?

5If I have walked with vanity, or if my foot hath hasted to deceit;

6Let me be weighed in an even balance, that God may know mine integrity.

7If my step hath turned out of the way, and mine heart walked after mine eyes, and if any blot hath cleaved to mine hands;

8Then let me sow, and let another eat; yea, let my offspring be rooted out.

9If mine heart have been deceived by a woman, or if I have laid wait at my neighbour’s door;

10Then let my wife grind unto another, and let others bow down upon her.

11For this is an heinous crime; yea, it is an iniquity to be punished by the judges.

12For it is a fire that consumeth to destruction, and would root out all mine increase.

13If I did despise the cause of my manservant or of my maidservant, when they contended with me;

 

Remember this was under Law (James 2:10). Man cannot fulfill the Law. Even if one could, we are born after the fallen nature of Adam. The one man who did fulfill the Law (Jesus) was born with a sinless nature (Adam before the fall see 1 Corinthians 15:45 where he is called the final Adam). 

 

In Christ, God the Word incarnate, we are under Grace.

 

1 John 2:1 (AV)

1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

1 John 1:3–10 (AV)

3That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

4And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.

5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

In Christ we are saved and all sin is forgiven with regard to salvation. And while it is forgiven, the consequences in the remainder of this life still remain. And in addition to the consequences of man (keeping the rule of law / prosecuting criminals / etc. ) we have the Holy Spirit living in us who is very active in our lives. We typically explain his activities away as coincidence or we take the credit of his blessings as our own achievements... but he is very active in our lives right down to the little things that annoy us or that we are spared the annoyances.

 

Yes the ladies show too much and the gents look too much...

 

Suggestion... put this to the test. Stop showing too much for a time, ladies. Stop looking for a time, gents. And notice if things aren't going better for you during that time. Ask God to show you if his hand is in this. I am sure he won't mind.

 

God hates sin with a passion. Never forget this. It's just these things must needs be provided for in order to get people saved through his messengers (that's us).

 

God bless.


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How is a Christian woman supposed to dress?.....modest.


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Sir, you will never be saved by what you do.  You can only be saved by what Christ has done for you.  You may make your call and election sure by 2 Peter 2-11 and prevent your own stumbling.  So I do hope that you are not telling others that dressing modestly will save them.  When we read the Bible it is for the purpose of looking into the mirror at our selves, and not to point the finger at others.  

 

If you are a pastor or Bible study leader, it would be better to study through a whole book and not to try to single out the problems you see in the way women dress.  That is the job of the Holy Spirit.  But it might be a good topic for discussion in an informal Bible study.


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Sir, you will never be saved by what you do.  You can only be saved by what Christ has done for you.  You may make your call and election sure by 2 Peter 2-11 and prevent your own stumbling.  So I do hope that you are not telling others that dressing modestly will save them.  When we read the Bible it is for the purpose of looking into the mirror at our selves, and not to point the finger at others.  

 

If you are a pastor or Bible study leader, it would be better to study through a whole book and not to try to single out the problems you see in the way women dress.  That is the job of the Holy Spirit.  But it might be a good topic for discussion in an informal Bible study.

Do not forget we as believers will be judged in the Judgment Seat of Christ/Bema Seat of Christ for everything we have done while in these bodies while on this earth.

 

2 Corinthians 5:10  For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.


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Sir, you will never be saved by what you do.  You can only be saved by what Christ has done for you.  You may make your call and election sure by 2 Peter 2-11 and prevent your own stumbling.  So I do hope that you are not telling others that dressing modestly will save them.  When we read the Bible it is for the purpose of looking into the mirror at our selves, and not to point the finger at others.  

 

If you are a pastor or Bible study leader, it would be better to study through a whole book and not to try to single out the problems you see in the way women dress.  That is the job of the Holy Spirit.  But it might be a good topic for discussion in an informal Bible study.

 

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How is a Christian woman supposed to dress?.....modest.

I'm going to put it out there kind of bluntly concerning modesty. It simply is keeping your private parts covered up the top and the bottom area. It's being humble going to the church service when you go to God's house of worship.

Out in the world you might want to do the flirting things that go on between a man and woman which is natural in nature for it to happen. But the church is the Lord's house and the Lord is your husband. The scripture used in the OP when taken in context of the chapter as a whole you will find that instructions are being given to men and women on how they should conduct themselves within a worship service and what we are to put our emphasis on. But it is rather odd to me that some folk eyes when it comes to scriptures they only get fixated on a women outward attire they are somew blinded to the inward attire in which scripture is addressing by using the natural attire to teach women about putting on a spirit of humility which is in the sight of God of great price having goods works in other words she lives and does right in the eyes of God. A virtuous women would apply but what I'm talking about has nothing to do with clothing. But I'm in a different dimension I guess and I could care less how I'm labled for my views. Just speaking my mind bopeep to get my meaning clearly said and open the scripture further for the sake of good old discuusion. I just think somethings are backwards and the natural mind don't comprehend the things of the spirit as they are spiritually discerned. However I am against transvesdyke who dress in order to attract the same sex to themselves in order to lie with them sexually as such sexual relations are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and is a deception against God's natural order being one man and one women. But that's a diiferent subject and I think somewhere in my words I've made my point on dressing modestly. blessings


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How is a Christian woman supposed to dress?.....modest.

I'm going to put it out there kind of bluntly concerning modesty. It simply is keeping your private parts covered up the top and the bottom area. It's being humble going to the church service when you go to God's house of worship.

Out in the world you might want to do the flirting things that go on between a man and woman which is natural in nature for it to happen. But the church is the Lord's house and the Lord is your husband. The scripture used in the OP when taken in context of the chapter as a whole you will find that instructions are being given to men and women on how they should conduct themselves within a worship service and what we are to put our emphasis on. But it is rather odd to me that some folk eyes when it comes to scriptures they only get fixated on a women outward attire they are somew blinded to the inward attire in which scripture is addressing by using the natural attire to teach women about putting on a spirit of humility which is in the sight of God of great price having goods works in other words she lives and does right in the eyes of God. A virtuous women would apply but what I'm talking about has nothing to do with clothing. But I'm in a different dimension I guess and I could care less how I'm labled for my views. Just speaking my mind bopeep to get my meaning clearly said and open the scripture further for the sake of good old discuusion. I just think somethings are backwards and the natural mind don't comprehend the things of the spirit as they are spiritually discerned. However I am against transvesdyke who dress in order to attract the same sex to themselves in order to lie with them sexually as such sexual relations are an abomination in the eyes of the Lord and is a deception against God's natural order being one man and one women. But that's a diiferent subject and I think somewhere in my words I've made my point on dressing modestly. blessings

 

I disagree.I think a woman should be dressed modest at all times.I am not into "flirting" things where a woman shows off her breasts to seduce a man.I have heard many women say "Well,I have it so I might as well flaunt it".I do not agree with this at all.


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Modesty in the way we dress is not just for church; it is to be the standard for all Christians at all times. The key to understanding what constitutes modesty in dress is to examine the attitudes and intents of the heart. Those whose hearts are inclined toward God will make every effort to dress modestly, decently, and appropriately. Those whose hearts are inclined toward self will dress in a manner designed to draw attention to themselves with little or no regard for the consequences to themselves or others.

A godly woman endeavors to do everything with a “God-ward” perspective. She knows that God wants His people to be concerned for His glory and the spiritual state of their brothers and sisters in Christ. If a woman professes to be a Christian yet she dresses in a way that will unduly draw attention to her body, she is a poor witness of the One who bought her soul by dying for her on the cross. She is forgetting that her body has been redeemed by Christ and is now the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19–20). She is telling the world that she determines her own worth on a purely physical basis and that her attractiveness depends on how much of her body she reveals to them. Further, by dressing in an immodest fashion, displaying her body for men to lust after, she causes her brothers in Christ to sin, something condemned by God (Matthew 5:27–29).Proverbs 7:10mentions a woman “dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent”—here, the woman’s heart condition is displayed by her manner of dress.

The Scripture says that we are to dress modestly, but what exactly does that mean in modern society? Does a woman have to be covered from head to toe? There are cults and religions in the world that demand this of women. But is that the biblical meaning of modesty? Again, we have to go back to the matter of the attitudes of the heart. If a woman’s heart is inclined toward godliness, she will wear clothing that is neither provocative nor revealing in public, clothing that does not reflect negatively upon her personal testimony as a child of God. Everyone else in her circle may be dressing immodestly, but she resists the temptation to go along with the crowd. She avoids clothing designed to draw attention to her body and cause men to lust, for she is wise enough to know that type of attention only cheapens her. The idea of causing men to sin against God because of her dress is abhorrent to her because she seeks to love and honor God and wants others to do the same.

Modesty in dress reveals a modesty and godliness of the heart, attitudes that should be the desire of all women (and men) who live to please and honor God.

Read more:http://www.gotquestions.org/dress-modestly.html#ixzz3exVR1tWS

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