should CHRISTIANS OWN WEAPONS OR FIGHT BACK AGAINST THE SYSTEM?

[hmbld]

12 minutes ago, mikefromwichita said:

Would you REALLY allow your children to be killed rather than take up a weapon to defend them?

 

BTW, do you Vote?

Lol guilting someone does not in any way interpret scripture. Do we live by faith, or guilt?

Edited November 23, 2016 by hmbld

[warrior12]

2 hours ago, mikefromwichita said:

God most generally expects us to work for  our bread.

Not disagreeing with that. 

 We also as spiritual children of the most high God has to believe in the supernatural ability of him who is able to keep us from stumbling also to provide for us in ways that we are not capable of understanding how he does. As you well know, God work through men and creates opportunity that to those who receive it, it's like yes, Thank you Lord.    Just as the heaven are higher than the earth, so are his ways higher than ours.  Sometimes, we have to go through the tough trials that the Lord will allow in our lives where  it seems like there is no human help and see the lord ability to sustain , provide and protect.  

[Churchmouse]

53 minutes ago, warrior12 said:

Not disagreeing with that. 

 We also as spiritual children of the most high God has to believe in the supernatural ability of him who is able to keep us from stumbling also to provide for us in ways that we are not capable of understanding how he does. As you well know, God work through men and creates opportunity that to those who receive it, it's like yes, Thank you Lord.    Just as the heaven are higher than the earth, so are his ways higher than ours.  Sometimes, we have to go through the tough trials that the Lord will allow in our lives where  it seems like there is no human help and see the lord ability to sustain , provide and protect.  

A most excellent way to put things. This I agree with 1000%  Trust in the Lord and prey we don't mess us up by taking charge of our lives when he was pulling us away from the very danger we are making a be line for.

[The_Patriot21]

5 hours ago, hmbld said:

I'm simply saying those verses do not support using weapons against people. The whip of reeds, symbolic of authority, is used to get animals to move.  No hint of it being used against people. 

It was obviously used to drive people out there. I don't think he actually hit anyone with it, but he was using it, and it was a weapon, and it was an act of aggression. You can spin it anyway you want, that is what scripture says, if you don't see it, well then I see no further point to the discussion at hand, and we can agree to disagree and move on. Fact is there's plenty of other passages both new testament and old, that clarifies that owning weapons is OK, it's only what you use them for, thats right or wrong.

[The_Patriot21]

3 hours ago, Churchmouse said:

I knew this would turn political sooner than latter. The worst thing the Christian community ever did was embrace politics. We used to be recognized for our good works. Now we are recognize as conservatives and we are demonized by the opposition because of that label more than anything. How can we reach out to anybody beyond the idealistic wall politics have built to keep us in if those who truly need God are kept from us out of fear  of conservatism?

Actually, the problem started when Christians stopped being involved in politics. Keep in mind 50 of the original 55 members of the Continental Congress were active members of their churches.

[Churchmouse]

20 minutes ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

Actually, the problem started when Christians stopped being involved in politics. Keep in mind 50 of the original 55 members of the Continental Congress were active members of their churches.

the problem started when the public decided that they didn't need to scrutinized their people as much as they needed to scrutinize the opposition candidate. The people who represent us is the face of who we are and putting a person in office just because he calls himself a Christian is voting by scavenger hunt. It is no better than the left voting for Hillary, just because she is female.  The churches need to vent all these candidates and include their voting records and who gives them money.  We need certainty as much as possible and we as individuals aren't equipt for that. I suggest a score card for each candidate.

I never said to stop being political. We would do far better in the political arena if we the right didn't take us for granted and the left simply marked us off.

We could effect the decisions of both parties if both parties thought they could get our vote or at least a good portion of that vote.

Edited November 24, 2016 by Churchmouse

[hmbld]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot2016 said:

It was obviously used to drive people out there. I don't think he actually hit anyone with it, but he was using it, and it was a weapon, and it was an act of aggression. You can spin it anyway you want, that is what scripture says, if you don't see it, well then I see no further point to the discussion at hand, and we can agree to disagree and move on. Fact is there's plenty of other passages both new testament and old, that clarifies that owning weapons is OK, it's only what you use them for, thats right or wrong.

I didn't say you can't own weapons. The examples of scripture stated do not support the use of weapons against people. It says the oxen and sheep were driven, by authority. How often do we say scripture obviously says more than it actually does?

[other one]

3 hours ago, Churchmouse said:

A most excellent way to put things. This I agree with 1000%  Trust in the Lord and prey we don't mess us up by taking charge of our lives when he was pulling us away from the very danger we are making a be line for.

Then you should take it all the way and go be a homeless person and let him take total control on everything in your life

 

[The_Patriot21]

2 hours ago, Churchmouse said:

the problem started when the public decided that they didn't need to scrutinized their people as much as they needed to scrutinize the opposition candidate. The people who represent us is the face of who we are and putting a person in office just because he calls himself a Christian is voting by scavenger hunt. It is no better than the left voting for Hillary, just because she is female.  The churches need to vent all these candidates and include their voting records and who gives them money.  We need certainty as much as possible and we as individuals aren't equipt for that. I suggest a score card for each candidate.

I never said to stop being political. We would do far better in the political arena if we the right didn't take us for granted and the left simply marked us off.

We could effect the decisions of both parties if both parties thought they could get our vote or at least a good portion of that vote.

Abraham Lincoln said the philosophy of our school rooms will be the philosophy of government in the next, and it has proven true. Look back in the 60s when they took the Bible out of our schools..... When kids got taught there is no God, and Christians bought into the lie they shouldn't get involved in politics and we needed to stay in our cozy churches and shutup. Gone a long ways from when we dumped tea into a harbor.

[Churchmouse]

1 minute ago, other one said:

Then you should take it all the war and go be a homeless person and let him take total control on everything in your life

 

This is a logical fallacy of two extreams. You suggest that this is an all or nothing scenario just because I trust in the Lord to lookout for my footsteps.  We have always been tasked to service ourselves and our mortal needs, such as eating, drinking and the servicing of basic needs.