Syrian Refugee Crisis? Who's Ultimately Responsible?

[MorningGlory]

That is a good solution.Many of those refugees are already very unhappy and want to go home.

I worry about the culture shock too, for the refugees, which is what you mention above.;  And the shock to the cultures trying to absorb mostly muslim, uneducated and unskilled third world people.  It's simply NOT a good thing when that many immigrants come into a society at once.  Assimilation is a gradual process and it js proven that many from muslim nations do NOT care to assimilate.

[missmuffet]

That is a good solution.Many of those refugees are already very unhappy and want to go home.

I worry about the culture shock too, for the refugees, which is what you mention above.;  And the shock to the cultures trying to absorb mostly muslim, uneducated and unskilled third world people.  It's simply NOT a good thing when that many immigrants come into a society at once.  Assimilation is a gradual process and it js proven that many from muslim nations do NOT care to assimilate.

No it is not good and I think we will see repercussions.

[Ezra]

Yes, but not for the reasons you give.  Because he contained Iran and there is the key.  The genie got out of the bottle when Saddam was deposed and it has been straight down hill from there.  Iran is behind everything that is going on now and there is no way to deny that.  Cause and effect, OldSchool.

There could have been another scenario which no one wanted to contemplate or put into action.  The "surgical" removal of all the "pests" such as Saddam, Assad, Khomeini, Khameini, Gaddafi, Putin, the leader of ISIS,etc.  Even the bin Laden affair was botched. But the USA has the special forces to deal with these pests individually and has failed to use them effectively.

There is a long-standing principle that if you cut off the head of the serpent, you render the rest of the body useless.  But this could have saved millions of innocent lives over decades. God "surgically removed" Herod when he accepted the worship and adulation of the crowds and did not acknowledge God as the only one worthy to be worshipped.

Coming back to the issue, the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the supposed leader of the free world. But when he himself is committed to Islam, then he should have been removed from office.

[Ezra]

I worry about the culture shock too, for the refugees, which is what you mention above.;  And the shock to the cultures trying to absorb mostly muslim, uneducated and unskilled third world people.  It's simply NOT a good thing when that many immigrants come into a society at once.  Assimilation is a gradual process and it js proven that many from muslim nations do NOT care to assimilate.

Once again we have a failure of leadership in the White House.  Why are Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States -- obscenely rich countries with lots and lots of empty space (that's what Rub al Khali means) -- not being compelled by the rest of the world to deal with this essentially Muslim problem?  What happened to intestinal fortitude?

[MorningGlory]

 

Yes, but not for the reasons you give.  Because he contained Iran and there is the key.  The genie got out of the bottle when Saddam was deposed and it has been straight down hill from there.  Iran is behind everything that is going on now and there is no way to deny that.  Cause and effect, OldSchool.

 

There could have been another scenario which no one wanted to contemplate or put into action.  The "surgical" removal of all the "pests" such as Saddam, Assad, Khomeini, Khameini, Gaddafi, Putin, the leader of ISIS,etc.  Even the bin Laden affair was botched. But the USA has the special forces to deal with these pests individually and has failed to use them effectively.

 

There is a long-standing principle that if you cut off the head of the serpent, you render the rest of the body useless.  But this could have saved millions of innocent lives over decades. God "surgically removed" Herod when he accepted the worship and adulation of the crowds and did not acknowledge God as the only one worthy to be worshipped.

 

Coming back to the issue, the responsibility lies squarely on the shoulders of the supposed leader of the free world. But when he himself is committed to Islam, then he should have been removed from office.

Surgical removal of all those you list would be an excellent idea.  However, we cant do it.  It's against American law to assassinate a foreign leader except during a war. 

[MorningGlory]

The Elites and the puppet governments are, destroying the dictatorships which kept the middle east and check and letting it fall to pieces like now.

It's all coming together in preparation for the end, Proppa.

[missmuffet]

The Elites and the puppet governments are, destroying the dictatorships which kept the middle east and check and letting it fall to pieces like now.

It's all coming together in preparation for the end, Proppa.

Yes,it is.Actually we are living in exciting times. 

[other one]

Again....it goes back years BEFORE the Arab Spring.  The beginning of the downward spital in the M.E. started with the toppling of Saddam Hussein.

I think I would take it back to the Shaw during Jimmy Carter's presidency....    that is the first Islamic leader move into government in the area.    If that had not happened we would not have needed to strengthen Saddam to counter the Ayatollah.

 

I might add though that it was Nixon/Ford that actually started the motion to get rid of the Shaw...   The CFR people within that administration started the balls rolling  Henry Kissinger was heavily involved.

Edited September 11, 2015 by other one

[oldzimm]

I would agree with the PM, the world has failed in Syria and with ISIS.

Was it the world that drew and then disowned a "red line" ultimatum for Syria and also claimed ISIS was just a JV terrorist team, or were both done by Barack Hussein Obama?

ISIS is a world problem,  not that of a single country.   It is not our responsibility alone to deal with them.   If you wish to point fingers at a single person, the person who removed Sadam Hussein would be a good target.   There would be no ISIS if he were still in power. 

you can't possibly know that.....   His sons were some pretty weird guys and one or all of them could have killed him and set this whole thing off even before now. 

I would agree with the PM, the world has failed in Syria and with ISIS.

Was it the world that drew and then disowned a "red line" ultimatum for Syria and also claimed ISIS was just a JV terrorist team, or were both done by Barack Hussein Obama?

ISIS is a world problem,  not that of a single country.   It is not our responsibility alone to deal with them.   If you wish to point fingers at a single person, the person who removed Sadam Hussein would be a good target.   There would be no ISIS if he were still in power. 

you can't possibly know that.....   His sons were some pretty weird guys and one or all of them could have killed him and set this whole thing off even before now. 

Other one you are absolutely right, I was in Iraq during OIF 1 (2003-2004) and our company was all for going into Iraq and getting the WMD. As time dragged on and we weren't finding the WMD my men starting getting irritated and wondered why we were there. The war was getting to my men and they started fighting among themselves, it is hard to be a platoon sergeant when you must give out disciplinary action. Then we started going out on humanitarian missions, we started rebuilding schools that were neglected by Saddam Hussein, this is when I seen the real reason God wanted us there. Forgive my choice of words but Saddam and his two boys were SOB's. We seen people of all ages (specially children) who were crippled for life because there weren't proper medical facilities for them, I seen kids playing their number one sport (soccer) and there were kids on the sidelines that couldn't play because they had broken legs that never mended properly, they couldn't run. So here we had a leader that spent the country's money on beautiful palaces and the military and wouldn't do a thing for his own peoples well being (not much of a leader in my book).

Then we had Saddam's two boys (grown men) who went about as they wished, killing people, abducting girls to be used for their own entertainment (they raped them) sometime even killing them after they were done with them. After all they treated women like third class citizens, men thought more highly of their livestock then they did of the women, can you just imagine the fear women have in countries such as this? Actually I think the Iraqis feared Saddam's two boys more than him (that doesn't mean Saddam was a choir boy), the boys were out right sick #%*&#%$. I was there when the boys were killed and the Iraqis feared them boys so much they said it wasn't them, they couldn't believe we could get to them. Now Saddam he was my neighbor (but never stopped by to visit, don't know why), Saddam was caught about twenty miles from where I was at, when he was caught the people cheered with joy because they knew the reign of terror was over.

The fault for Isis being there now is none other than Barack Hussein Obama, he wanted to get us out of Iraq to make himself look good. Yes it was long overdue that we pull out of Iraq, but Obama went about it all wrong. Obama was too hasty and he should have done it more tactically, we left the door wide open and we should have kept a strike force nearby in case there was a uprising such as Isis so we could nip it in the bud before it got stronger. Oh I forgot Isis is a JV team, how thoughtless of me.

I'm not picking on anybody, but it is easy to be an armchair Quarterback when you never been on the field.

Oldzimm     

[Flames of Liberty]

I would agree with the PM, the world has failed in Syria and with ISIS.

Was it the world that drew and then disowned a "red line" ultimatum for Syria and also claimed ISIS was just a JV terrorist team, or were both done by Barack Hussein Obama?

ISIS is a world problem,  not that of a single country.   It is not our responsibility alone to deal with them.   If you wish to point fingers at a single person, the person who removed Sadam Hussein would be a good target.   There would be no ISIS if he were still in power. 

you can't possibly know that.....   His sons were some pretty weird guys and one or all of them could have killed him and set this whole thing off even before now. 

 

I would agree with the PM, the world has failed in Syria and with ISIS.

Was it the world that drew and then disowned a "red line" ultimatum for Syria and also claimed ISIS was just a JV terrorist team, or were both done by Barack Hussein Obama?

ISIS is a world problem,  not that of a single country.   It is not our responsibility alone to deal with them.   If you wish to point fingers at a single person, the person who removed Sadam Hussein would be a good target.   There would be no ISIS if he were still in power. 

you can't possibly know that.....   His sons were some pretty weird guys and one or all of them could have killed him and set this whole thing off even before now. 

Other one you are absolutely right, I was in Iraq during OIF 1 (2003-2004) and our company was all for going into Iraq and getting the WMD. As time dragged on and we weren't finding the WMD my men starting getting irritated and wondered why we were there. The war was getting to my men and they started fighting among themselves, it is hard to be a platoon sergeant when you must give out disciplinary action. Then we started going out on humanitarian missions, we started rebuilding schools that were neglected by Saddam Hussein, this is when I seen the real reason God wanted us there. Forgive my choice of words but Saddam and his two boys were SOB's. We seen people of all ages (specially children) who were crippled for life because there weren't proper medical facilities for them, I seen kids playing their number one sport (soccer) and there were kids on the sidelines that couldn't play because they had broken legs that never mended properly, they couldn't run. So here we had a leader that spent the country's money on beautiful palaces and the military and wouldn't do a thing for his own peoples well being (not much of a leader in my book).

Then we had Saddam's two boys (grown men) who went about as they wished, killing people, abducting girls to be used for their own entertainment (they raped them) sometime even killing them after they were done with them. After all they treated women like third class citizens, men thought more highly of their livestock then they did of the women, can you just imagine the fear women have in countries such as this? Actually I think the Iraqis feared Saddam's two boys more than him (that doesn't mean Saddam was a choir boy), the boys were out right sick #%*&#%$. I was there when the boys were killed and the Iraqis feared them boys so much they said it wasn't them, they couldn't believe we could get to them. Now Saddam he was my neighbor (but never stopped by to visit, don't know why), Saddam was caught about twenty miles from where I was at, when he was caught the people cheered with joy because they knew the reign of terror was over.

The fault for Isis being there now is none other than Barack Hussein Obama, he wanted to get us out of Iraq to make himself look good. Yes it was long overdue that we pull out of Iraq, but Obama went about it all wrong. Obama was too hasty and he should have done it more tactically, we left the door wide open and we should have kept a strike force nearby in case there was a uprising such as Isis so we could nip it in the bud before it got stronger. Oh I forgot Isis is a JV team, how thoughtless of me.

I'm not picking on anybody, but it is easy to be an armchair Quarterback when you never been on the field.

Oldzimm     

 I certainly appreciate your service, but nothing you said changes my point.  Sadam ruled with an iron fist and his boys would have been worse.   But there is no way that ISIS exist in Iraq with either Sadam or his sons in power. 

The first president Bush understood the role that Sadam played, his son was too arrogant to follow his father's example.

In no way defending Obama, but the withdrawal plan was the plan of the Bush I I administration.