Oregon survivor offended by Ben Carson remark

[thereselittleflower]

I think the 18 year old is right.

 

The 18 year old i right to be offended, because Carson thinks he would have done more? I don't see it! I think courage, is doing something in spite of one's fears. Some exercise courage, others do not. I do not see any reason to take offense from the fact that others might choose to exercise courage. I hope, that if I am in a position to exercise courage, that I will, and I would hope that others would not be offended by that!

Did you ever consider that it might be bravado and that if he was actually in the exact same situation as a young man, he might actually do what this kid did or worse?

 

[coheir]

What do you think?

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/07/politics/oregon-shooting-ben-carson-survivor/index.html

An 18-year-old who survived the classroom shooting at Umpqua Community College on Wednesday criticized Ben Carson's comment that the shooting victims could have attacked the gunman.

"I'm fairly upset he said that. Nobody could truly understand what actions they would take like that in a situation unless they lived it," Mathew Downing told CNN via Facebook.

Downing was referred to by the shooter as "the lucky one," during the deadly attack last Thursday. After shooting three people, the gunman paused, turned to Downing and said, "You, with the glasses, you're the lucky one. If you give this envelope to police, you'll live."

Downing was then forced to go to the back of the classroom and watch his classmates get executed.

Carson, a Republican presidential candidate, said on Fox News after the shooting in Oregon that he would've done more to prevent the gunman from going on a killing spree.

"Not only would I probably not cooperate with him, I would not just stand there and let him shoot me," Carson said. "I would say, 'Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, b

I think Ben Carson was right in saying what he did. 

[Omegaman 3.0]

"Did you ever consider that it might be bravado and that if he was actually in the exact same situation as a young man, he might actually do what this kid did or worse?"

Of course that is possible. It is possible also, that in a real life situation, pumped up with adrenaline, he might exceed beyond his own imagination, what he would do. Either way, it is speculation, we may not know how any of us would act in a given situation.

In any case, we know what the 18 year old did, no speculation there, and my point was not that Ben Carson is some brave super hero, my point was that the young man was offended about something that I do not think is reason to be offended. Another persons courage or even bravado, is not a reason to be offended. It strikes me as likely, that if we was truly offended, then perhaps he feels some conviction or shame over his inaction.

For myself, I do not think it should necessarily be expected, that a man that young, would overcome his fears and be courageous. I hope that for people, but do not necessarily expect that from people, That is why we have the word "hero", to distinguish a person's actions, over what perhaps most people would do. This young man did not make a decision to act with heroism, but that is o.k., not everyone is a hero.

I think the topic is though, of special interest to Christians, who are expected to not fear those who can kill the body, and then do no more, but to fear the One who can destroy both body and soul in Hell.

[thereselittleflower]

I think it is very, very easy for someone to say what they would do in a given situation.  They are facing no threat.  All they can do is imagine.   

What one actually does can turn out to be quite different from what one imagines themselves capable of doing.

Pride disguises itself in so many ways.

 

Edited October 10, 2015 by thereselittleflower

[Omegaman 3.0]

I think it is very, very easy for someone to say what they would do in a given situation.  They are facing no threat.  All they can do is imagine.   

What one actually does can turn out to be quite different from what one imagines themselves capable of doing.

Pride disguises itself in so many ways.

 

You are right, and maybe that poor young man was offended, because his pride was hurt!

[missmuffet]

I think it is very, very easy for someone to say what they would do in a given situation.  They are facing no threat.  All they can do is imagine.   

What one actually does can turn out to be quite different from what one imagines themselves capable of doing.

Pride disguises itself in so many ways.

 

You are right.It is easy to say if you were not in that situation.

[MorningGlory]

I don't think Dr. Carson said any of that to offend anyone or criticize anyone either.  Those who are offended by his remarks are probably feeling survivor's guilt, as someone else pointed out.  And, no, none of us know what we would do if faced with such a situation until it actually happens.

[missmuffet]

I don't think Dr. Carson said any of that to offend anyone or criticize anyone either.  Those who are offended by his remarks are probably feeling survivor's guilt, as someone else pointed out.  And, no, none of us know what we would do if faced with such a situation until it actually happens.

He is just not the offending kind of guy.Not like Trump.

[other one]

I think it is very, very easy for someone to say what they would do in a given situation.  They are facing no threat.  All they can do is imagine.   

What one actually does can turn out to be quite different from what one imagines themselves capable of doing.

Pride disguises itself in so many ways.

 

You are right, and maybe that poor young man was offended, because his pride was hurt!

Maybe that poor young man really didn't even think about it.

[coheir]

if you are in a room with 29 people and a gunman came in with a pistol and three 10 round clips he has the ability to kill all 30 people if they give him time to shoot and reload.

So all 30 people can stand stoop sit lay down or hide under the desk and just wait their turn to be killed or shot.

 OR

  if 30 or 20 or 10 maybe even 5  of them rush the gunman lives would be saved if you just cower down and wait your turn all 30 are sure to be shot and likely die.

And even better if our 2nd amendment rights were left alone by ignorant people there would be several in the room to defend the 30 before the gunman shoots anyone.