Just what the heck IS the water??

[Retrobyter]

Shabbat shalom, everyone.

I’m going to give a much simpler explanation for the verses:

1 John 5:6-8
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.]
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
KJV

Here’s the Greek:

Iooannou A 5:6-8

6 Houtos estin ho elthoon di’ hudatos kai haimatos, Ieesous Christos, ouk en too hudati monon all’ en too hudati kai en too haimati; kai to pneuma estin to marturoun, hoti to pneuma estin hee aleetheia.

7 Hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes,

8 to pneuma kai to hudoor kai to haima, kai hoi treis eis to en eisin.

UBS Greek New Testament

 

6 Houtos = 6 This

estin = is

ho = the-(one-who)

elthoon = came

di’ (dia) = through

hudatos = water

kai = and/also

haimatos, = blood,

Ieesous = Yeshua` (Jesus)

Christos, = Messiah (Christ),

ouk = not

en = in

too = the

hudati = water

monon = only

all’ (alla) = but

en = in

too = the

hudati = water

kai = and/also

en = in

too = the

haimati; = blood;

kai = and/also

to = the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

estin = (it)-is

to = the

marturoun, = witness-bearer,

hoti = so-that/because

to = the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

estin = is

hee = the

aleetheia. = truth.

7 Hoti = 7 That/So-that/Because

treis = three

eisin = there-are

hoi = the-(ones-that)

marturountes, = witness-bearers,

8 to = 8 the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

kai = and/also

to = the

hudoor = water

kai = and/also

to = the

haima, = blood,

kai = and/also

hoi = the

treis = three

eis = into

to = the

hen = one

eisin. = they-are.

 

This is certain. Older manuscripts don’t have the words added by later manuscripts. For instance, the word “hagion” was NOT added to the word “pneuma” until much later in history. Thus, the text should NOT read “Holy Spirit” but just “spirit."

 

The “water” is Yeshua`s physical birth - “the water broke!” The blood is Yeshua`s death, and the spirit (His breath) is the resurrection. These are the proofs of Yeshua` being a physical, living body.

 

It doesn’t have to be more complicated than that.

[Pamelasv]

On 12/3/2015, 8:02:11, manuelf324 said:

I believe the water is spiritual water from the Holy Ghost. Salvation is being baptized spiritually by the Holy Ghost. Physical baptism is the declaration to the world that your saved. 

It does seem like the water and Spirit go hand in hand. 

[Pamelasv]

On 12/5/2015, 10:28:10, Retrobyter said:

Shabbat shalom, everyone.

I’m going to give a much simpler explanation for the verses:

1 John 5:6-8
6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
7 For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.]
8 And there are three that bear witness in earth], the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
KJV

Here’s the Greek:

Iooannou A 5:6-8

6 Houtos estin ho elthoon di’ hudatos kai haimatos, Ieesous Christos, ouk en too hudati monon all’ en too hudati kai en too haimati; kai to pneuma estin to marturoun, hoti to pneuma estin hee aleetheia.

7 Hoti treis eisin hoi marturountes,

8 to pneuma kai to hudoor kai to haima, kai hoi treis eis to en eisin.

UBS Greek New Testament

 

6 Houtos = 6 This

estin = is

ho = the-(one-who)

elthoon = came

di’ (dia) = through

hudatos = water

kai = and/also

haimatos, = blood,

Ieesous = Yeshua` (Jesus)

Christos, = Messiah (Christ),

ouk = not

en = in

too = the

hudati = water

monon = only

all’ (alla) = but

en = in

too = the

hudati = water

kai = and/also

en = in

too = the

haimati; = blood;

kai = and/also

to = the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

estin = (it)-is

to = the

marturoun, = witness-bearer,

hoti = so-that/because

to = the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

estin = is

hee = the

aleetheia. = truth.

7 Hoti = 7 That/So-that/Because

treis = three

eisin = there-are

hoi = the-(ones-that)

marturountes, = witness-bearers,

8 to = 8 the

pneuma = breath/wind/spirit

kai = and/also

to = the

hudoor = water

kai = and/also

to = the

haima, = blood,

kai = and/also

hoi = the

treis = three

eis = into

to = the

hen = one

eisin. = they-are.

 

This is certain. Older manuscripts don’t have the words added by later manuscripts. For instance, the word “hagion” was NOT added to the word “pneuma” until much later in history. Thus, the text should NOT read “Holy Spirit” but just “spirit."

 

The “water” is Yeshua`s physical birth - “the water broke!” The blood is Yeshua`s death, and the spirit (His breath) is the resurrection. These are the proofs of Yeshua` being a physical, living body.

 

It doesn’t have to be more complicated than that.

Why yes, that IS a much more simpler explanation. Ehem.

[Littlelambseativy]

I believe it is indicating that Jesus though begotten was physically born of water and blood at birth and on the cross When Jesus' side was pierced, not only blood but also water was shed for our new birth in Him, so that when we believe in Him and His sacrifice we are forgiven..our sins are covered by the blood and we are washed by the life giving water at the same time. He is the sacrifice but also the living water for those who believe in Him.

[HAZARD]

 

1 John 5:6, This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

The Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus at His Water baptism (Matt. 3:13-17)

The Water  -  Threefold witness:

1. Water baptism symbolising His own death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 3:13-17)

2. Water of the Word bearing witness to the incarnation (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Matt. 1:23; Luke 1:34-45)

3. Water and blood at the crucifixion testifying of His Humanity (John 19:340.

 

 

 

 

[*Zion*]

11 hours ago, HAZARD said:

 

1 John 5:6, This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

 

The Holy Spirit descending upon Jesus at His Water baptism (Matt. 3:13-17)

The Water  -  Threefold witness:

1. Water baptism symbolising His own death, burial, and resurrection (Matt. 3:13-17)

2. Water of the Word bearing witness to the incarnation (Isa. 7:14; 9:6-7; Matt. 1:23; Luke 1:34-45)

3. Water and blood at the crucifixion testifying of His Humanity (John 19:340.

 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Cletus said:

Water = living water = Holy spirit.  The bible says those with The Holy Spirit have living water in their belly.    When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well He told her whoever drank the water He had to give would not thirst anymore.  And thats so true because when I pray or sing I feel that living water in my belly.  Its very refreshing.

Makes sense to me

[Pamelasv]

Yes, it does seem like the water is with the Holy Spirit.  Such a baffling subject really, since it lists them as separate and as a witness.

[Littlelambseativy]

When we are physically born from our mother, we pass through the water and blood. When we are reborn in new birth we pass through the water and blood shed by our Lord and Saviour. That is why it is called "New Birth". Why else would the Bible make a point of mentioning "water and blood" poured from output Saviour's side when He was pierced? That symbolism is so strongly connected.

[Pamelasv]

Just something I came across reading John 3:5.

'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.'

That was when He was telling Nicodemus he had to born again to see the kingdom of God. 

[TheMatrixHasU71]

On 11/11/2015 at 8:11 PM, Pamelasv said:

! John 5-7

'Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the son of God?  This is the one who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ, not with the water only, but with the water and with the blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood.  It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify:  The Spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement.'

 

I had thought it to be the Word at one point, because of Ephesians 5:26  where it says 'with the washing of water with the Word.'  But I guess I'm wrong.

The water is water baptism. 

1 John 

5:6   This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

5:7   For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

5:8   And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.