Muslims demand cross be removed from Swiss flag

[other one]

the crusades stopped Islam from taking over the world once, and it is the only thing that will stop them this time short of the return of Christ.....    then he will crusade in our behalf.

[ricky]

Switzerland are also a very proud nation, with a strong Christian history and high rate of individual liberty.  I think they will tell them to get stuffed

[FresnoJoe]

On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2016 at 4:26 PM, simplejeff said:

the crusades were evil according to most accounts I've seen in , well, ever.....

"killing in the name of God" by all aggressors.......

so.....   what's changed ?  'peace, peace' ? 

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[other one]

On 1/18/2016 at 4:26 PM, simplejeff said:

the crusades were evil according to most accounts I've seen in , well, ever.....

"killing in the name of God" by all aggressors.......

so.....   what's changed ?  'peace, peace' ? 

the crusades started to stop Islam from violently taking over the world...   when you are dealing with a people who's goal in life is to die fighting for the supremacist god of theirs (so they can go directly to heaven) you can't do so pleasantly.   The reason the crusades were so violent was because it was the only way to stop them from taking over the whole world.

And it still  is.   That's why Saddam, Assad's father and the people in Egypt and Libya were so cruel....    it's the only way to deal with barbarians.       There are two stages of existence to a devout Muslim.    To them there is peace (where everyone everywhere is subject to Allah by Sharia Law) and war.       And there is nothing in between that can last more than ten years.  They are not allowed to make peace with anyone for more than ten years and even then not unless there is no way of defeating them.

So, you can take your peace, peace to heart for the only way you can achieve it while a devout Muslim lives will be when Jesus comes back and kills him.

[junobet]

On 18.1.2016 at 1:49 PM, OakWood said:

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2449/immigrants-swiss-flag-cross

An immigrant group based in Bern has called for the emblematic white cross to be removed from the Swiss national flag because as a Christian symbol it "no longer corresponds to today's multicultural Switzerland."

Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Seconds@plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.

In a September 18 interview with the Swiss newspaper Aargauer Zeitung Petrusic said the cross has a Christian background and while the Christian roots of Switzerland should be respected, "it is necessary to separate church and state" because "Switzerland today has a great religious and cultural diversity. One has to ask if the State wants to continue building up a symbol in which many people no longer believe."

And here we go again: another example for the right-wing islamophobic blogosphere going bonkers. Something somebody, who isn’t even a Muslim, said is taken out of context, blown out of proportion and presented as the view of Muslims in general. And then this lie is spread like manure all over the web where its sucked up by fertile ground.

“There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

To make things short: It’s simply not true that Swiss Muslims want to get rid of the Cross on the Swiss flag.  I don't blame you for falling for this lie, OakWood. In this case it's pretty hard to find out that it isn't true, unless one can speak German and can be asked to do a little research.:

 

“Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities.

The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

(...)

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and has added fuel to anti-Muslim sentiments in Switzerland, especially since many people have mistaken Petrusic for a Muslim.

Muslim leaders in the country have been quick to voice their disagreement with Petrusic and distance themselves from his demands.

Hisham Maizar, head of Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, said the proposal for a religion-neutral flag was wrong and counter-productive.

"We don't have any demands to upend the ancient traditions of other countries," he said.”

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

[ayin jade]

3 hours ago, junobet said:

 

And here we go again: another example for the right-wing islamophobic blogosphere going bonkers. Something somebody, who isn’t even a Muslim, said is taken out of context, blown out of proportion and presented as the view of Muslims in general. And then this lie is spread like manure all over the web where its sucked up by fertile ground.

“There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” (Proverbs 6:16-19)

To make things short: It’s simply not true that Swiss Muslims want to get rid of the Cross on the Swiss flag.  I don't blame you for falling for this lie, OakWood. In this case it's pretty hard to find out that it isn't true, unless one can speak German and can be asked to do a little research.:

 

“Muslims in Switzerland have distanced themselves from a suggestion to do away with the current Swiss flag in order to accomodate religious minorities.

The suggestion, which has caused unwelcome tensions between the Swiss majority and the country's 5% Muslim minority, was actually made by a Christian multi-culturalist.

Ivica Petrusic, vice president of immigrant association Secondos Plus, suggested dropping the cross from the Swiss flag and adopting a different flag instead.

(...)

The proposal to change the Swiss flag has been met with outrage across the political spectrum and has added fuel to anti-Muslim sentiments in Switzerland, especially since many people have mistaken Petrusic for a Muslim.

Muslim leaders in the country have been quick to voice their disagreement with Petrusic and distance themselves from his demands.

Hisham Maizar, head of Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, said the proposal for a religion-neutral flag was wrong and counter-productive.

"We don't have any demands to upend the ancient traditions of other countries," he said.”

http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-229-4216.htm

Yes post a pro islamic site. No bias there. 

I found on a brussels news site that ...

 

Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.

 

Petrusic represents muslims. So this isnt distanced from muslims at all. I found plenty of news sites that are not mainstream that show that muslims are not happy with the swiss flag. 

[junobet]

6 hours ago, ayin jade said:

Yes post a pro islamic site. No bias there. 

I found on a brussels news site that ...

 

Ivica Petrusic, the vice president of Second@s Plus, a lobbying group that represents mostly Muslim second-generation foreigners in Switzerland (who colloquially are known as secondos) says the group will launch a nationwide campaign in October to ask Swiss citizens to consider adopting a flag that is less offensive to Muslim immigrants.

 

Petrusic represents muslims. So this isnt distanced from muslims at all. I found plenty of news sites that are not mainstream that show that muslims are not happy with the swiss flag. 

Petrusic is vice president of Secondos Plus, a secular lobby group for children of immigrants born in Switzerland.  There are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, atheist … immigrants.  And apparently he did not even mean to start a serious campaign about getting rid of the now Swiss flag: http://www.thelocal.ch/20110928/1324

Hisham Maizar, head of Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland, who said the proposal for a religion-neutral flag was wrong and counter-productive, on the other hand does represent Muslims. Or more precisely: he represents Muslims who are part of the Federation of Islamic Organisations in Switzerland.

And sadly I’m not surprised you find plenty of news sites you regard as mainstream that show that Muslims are not happy with the swiss flag. Take a closer look and you’ll probably find they all based on the same misleading article, written by an avowed islamophobe. There’s no end to people who want to sow hatred against Muslims these days. Over here in Germany it begins to feel like 1933 just with a slight change of scapegoats. The irony is that these Pegida-Neo-Nazi idiots pretend that they are defending the Christian occident, when in fact most of them are atheists and can’t even sing the most common Christmas carols without a text-sheet. The German Catholic and Protestant Church on the other hand know their Bible and stand up for the right of asylum:

“You are not to spread a false report, nor are you to join forces^[a] with the wicked to be a malicious witness. ² You are not to follow the majority^[b] in doing wrong, and you are not to testify in a lawsuit so as to follow the majority and pervert justice. ³ You are not to show partiality to a poor man in his lawsuit.” (Exodus 23:1-3)

“⁹ You are not to oppress the resident alien, because you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus23:9)

[ayin jade]

4 minutes ago, junobet said:

 

 

“You are not to spread a false report, nor are you to join forces^[a] with the wicked to be a malicious witness. ² You are not to follow the majority^[b] in doing wrong, and you are not to testify in a lawsuit so as to follow the majority and pervert justice. ³ You are not to show partiality to a poor man in his lawsuit.” (Exodus 23:1-3)

“⁹ You are not to oppress the resident alien, because you were aliens in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus23:9)

For the first scripture, you spread plenty of false witness, too much to be so readily accusing others of it. 

For the second, the context of that is that the aliens are to live in peace among you. If they do not live in peace, then they need to be dealt with. Per scripture. Also, that applied to Israel not to Christians. Again, in context. 

Others have mentioned how you like to accuse via scripture, and twist scripture. Add me to the list of those who have noticed how readily you do that.

[thereselittleflower]

4 minutes ago, ayin jade said:

For the first scripture, you spread plenty of false witness, too much to be so readily accusing others of it. 

For the second, the context of that is that the aliens are to live in peace among you. If they do not live in peace, then they need to be dealt with. Per scripture. Also, that applied to Israel not to Christians. Again, in context. 

Others have mentioned how you like to accuse via scripture, and twist scripture. Add me to the list of those who have noticed how readily you do that.

I am at a loss at how you come up with these accusations from her post.  She's presenting factual information which doesn't line up with your claims.  That is no reason to make false accusations like this.

[SINNERSAVED]

do you all feel for the swiss flag, ? removing the cross, from the flag ?

what are we doing for the war on the Christians here , when our military is up and in violation for sharing the word of God , in America, ? to pass new laws that God said is a abomination, ?

to take the ten commandments out of the courts , and not to say Christmas , but happy holiday ?

have we not been watching as our faith goes south ? and our rights out the window, and the increase of persecution, ?

why would we be worried about this , if we know that we were told that it is coming down to be hated for the name of Jesus ,?

America is getting dumbed down !! through many different ways , and tightening the rope around our necks, and we are looking at others ?the bible tells us to be watching and see that we do not be moved,

we have  a president that claims to be a profession Muslim, and the head of the muslim brotherhood, ? last I saw ,and heard ?

what do you think our future looks like ? will we stand for the truth ? and the gospel ? of Christ Jesus, when we are faced to make that decision, and choice ?

we are at the doors, and time is at hand, America will be judged ,  for we have not been watching as we have been herded in to a corner , that we will not be able to get out of , with out  serious consequences ? when do we give praises and honor and glory to our God, and stop[ thinking about the evil closing in on us ?

 if we have faith like we are to have and believe we are not going to be worried about ,what the world wants to do .?

 that's my two cents ... blessing to you ,