Is Hell eternal?

[Ezra]

1 hour ago, Shar said:

  After the great white throne judgment, those not written in the Book of Life are also thrown into the lake of fire.  It is the second death.  A complete death.

So what is the second death and who says it is not eternal?

PHYSICAL DEATH = SEPARATION OF SOUL AND SPIRIT FROM BODY

SECOND DEATH = ETERNAL SEPARATION OF SINNERS FROM GOD IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

How eternal is the second death? The same as “for ever and ever”.

The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name. (Rev 14:10,11).

As we can see in this thread, Satan would like to have people believe that Hell is not really what the Bible says it is.  This is similar to what he said to Eve “Ye shall not surely die”.  Christians, beware of new winds of doctrine.

[Spock]

Shar,

awesome and well said. I don't know how anyone can refute your logic. Case closed! Thanks.

spock

[Bible_Gazer]

Jude 1:7
 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication,

and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

That eternal fire went out along time ago.

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Just image heaven on earth Rev. 21, yet hell fire screaming people will be under your feet. 

or

If Rev. 21 is talking about a new earth, where will hell beneath be at or the lake of fire ?  

 

I just don't see anybody getting the gift of eternal life, just only the believers. Romans 6:23  

 

So hell that is false religions and hell that is a destruction will come to an end, this is how I see it.

Well, the graveyard hell is forever to those who made it their home.

 

[Willa]

Matt. 25:46   ESV   but these go away into ETERNAL PUNISHMENT, but the righteous into eternal life.  

[Spock]

22 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

I'm going to have to agree with Ezra; it IS appalling that Christians question and argue against what Scripture clearly states.  You or any other presumed believer, don't have the authorty to do so.  Hell is real, it's a place of everlasting torment, and if you don't buy what God is clearly telling you.....you'll get to experience it first hand.  I can only conclude that those trying to convince believers that hell is temporary have an agenda; either their own or someone else's. 

MG, you seem to come across like you are the AUTHORITY on Scripture. I don't like to talk tough to fellow believers, but I don't do well with spiritual arrogance. Been there, done it. 

Im glad you are "sure" of what scripture is saying, but I'm not, and it appears I'm not alone. Please get off your high horse and discuss the scriptures and leave your condescension at home ("you  and any other presumed believer...."). 

 

Thanks

spock

[Spock]

23 hours ago, Ezra said:

Actually it was the Rich Young Ruler who believed that one could inherit eternal life. The Lord did not correct him on that score, since there were other critical matters which he needed to deal with.  But the Bible teaches that eternal life is a free gift (Rom 6:23, and many other passages).

I agree, eternal life is a GIFT.....it is not automatically given to you at birth.  You are making my point. 

[Ezra]

2 hours ago, Spock said:

Shar,

awesome and well said. I don't know how anyone can refute your logic. Case closed! Thanks.

spock

Scripture always trumps human logic, and the case is definitely not closed in favor of a "revised" Hell. 

[SINNERSAVED]

4 hours ago, Shar said:

Hell is not Hades.  Hades in the New Testament is the same place as Sheol in the OT.  Before the cross, Hades was a holding place for the dead.  It was two compartments.  Paradise and Torments.  Lk.16:19-31.  Hades' nature changed after the cross.  After His death Jesus descended there and preached to the spirits. I Pe.3:18-19, 4:6.  After His resurrection, He took Paradise with Him.  Ep.4:8-9 & 2 Cor.12:1-4. The souls of the unrighteous remain in Hades.

Question is:  How long will they be tormented?   Traditional view is forever.  The other view, is that immortality is conditional, depending on acceptance of Christ.  We must remember our beliefs on the duration of Hell is not cardinal doctrine, but we nevertheless need to know it is a dreadful place.

My first difficulty with the traditional view it seems to impugn His loving, merciful character.  I know He is holy and righteous, but is it HIs plan to eternally torment the vast majority of mankind, who is created in His image?

Second, eternal torment is contrary to some Biblical examples.  God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah with fire suddenly and quickly.  Destroyed the evil world of Noah, suddenly and quickly, order Canaanites killed swiftly.  In the law of Moses there was no provision for incarceration or torture.  Even sacrificial animals were to be killed with a precise method for quick and painless death. 

Third, it seems to contradict a descriptive phrase to describe Hell as the "second death".

Fourth, Hell is referred to as the place of destruction.  Jesus says in Mt.10:28,"Do not fear those who can kill the body, but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to DESTROY both soul and body in Hell.  John 3:16....that whosoever believes in him shall not PERISH, but have eternal life."  These words mean that..  Destroy and Perish.  Poof, gone.

Fifth, there is a difference between eternal punishment and eternal punishing.  You may experience a punishment that has eternal consequences but does not mean it will go on for eternity.  Rev14:9-11 speaks of their torment goes up forever and ever.  It does not speak of eternal torment, but that the smoke of their torment is ascending forever.  This is a testimony or a reminder.  This is also referred as a reminder in the destruction of Edom in IS.34:10.  Edom exists today.  It does not have smoke ascending.  Obviously, this is a symbolic reference.  This is also stated in Jude 7 regarding Sodom and Gomorrah.

Sixth, Hell was created for Satan and his angels.  We see Satan will be thrown into the bottomless pit and tormented for ever and ever, along with the Beast and False Prophet.

Lastly, I Timothy 6:15-16 states ONLY God alone possesses immorality.  I Cor. 15:53 states the redeemed will not become immortal until the time of their resurrection.  In other words, it is a gift of God. 

This begs the question.  Can Hell be really eternal if the soul is not intrinsically immortal?

Nevertheless, there will be a time where the souls of the unrighteous will experience time in Torments within Hell, but Revelation 20:14 clearly states that DEATH and HADES were thrown into the lake of fire.  They are destroyed.  After the great white throne judgment, those not written in the Book of Life are also thrown into the lake of fire.  It is the second death.  A complete death.

 

that was a great observation and good lesson, to take time on and dwell about it ? thank you for that view,

 

[Spock]

43 minutes ago, Cletus said:

It is to those who want to believe whatever they want  instead of what the bible says.  There seems to be an increase in that these days.  That reminds me of another verse...

 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine....

 

Stop.....puh-lease.......

smh

[Spock]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

Scripture always trumps human logic, and the case is definitely not closed in favor of a "revised" Hell. 

Shar brought up a ton of scripture. I noticed neither you, MG, or Cletus debating it. I wonder why?  Come on bro, take her up point by point. I dare ya!