Who is The 7th Kingdom Beast (and 8th) of Rev?

[douggg]

51 minutes ago, BlindSeeker said:

You see it don't you Douggg? So why are you putting apples and oranges together here and trying to sell them as the same??? I'm really not sure what your point is. I already showed you verses where Matthew 24:14 has scriptural confirmation of being fulfilled. SO???

Your verses don't show that generation was the fig tree generation because none of the things from Matthew 24:14-31 were fulfilled.    When they are fulfilled there will be zero disagreement by anyone, including them who are not now Christians, that those things have been fulfilled..        

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Edited May 22, 2016 by douggg

[BlindSeeker]

59 minutes ago, douggg said:

Your verses don't show that generation was the fig tree generation because none of the things from Matthew 24:14-31 were fulfilled.    When they are fulfilled there will be zero disagreement by anyone, including them who are not now Christians, that those things have been fulfilled..        

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

It's ok Dougggg.

Like I said, regardless of how I cover all those verses in my posts, I did not expected you to see or acknowledge any of it as worthy of your prayerful consideration. But know, I did not enter the discussion with that mind set,  but I did soon came to understand it after endeavoring to reason these things with you.

Perhaps you will expound on the fig tree in verse 32 for us all and share your understanding of 26 too.
 

[BlindSeeker]

Just for others why may be following, here are some thing I had submitted to Douggg regarding verse Matthew 24:26...

Concerning "he is in the desert; go not forth..."

Josephus WAR- Book 2 – Chap. 13;

But there was an Egyptian false prophet that did the Jews more mischief than the former; for he was a cheat, and pretended to be a prophet also, and got together thirty thousand men that were deluded by him; these he led round about from the wilderness to the mount which was called the Mount of Olives, and was ready to break into Jerusalem by force from that place; and if he could but once conquer the Roman garrison and the people, he intended to domineer over them by the assistance of those guards of his that were to break into the city with him. But Felix prevented his attempt, and met him with his Roman soldiers, while all the people assisted him in his attack upon them, insomuch that when it came to a battle, the Egyptian ran away, with a few others, while the greatest part of those that were with him were either destroyed or taken alive; but the rest of the multitude were dispersed every one to their own homes, and there concealed themselves.

Cross reference:

Acts21:38 Art not thou that Egyptian, which before these days madest an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers?

Concerning "he is in the secret chambers; believe it not."

Josephus WAR Book 6- Chap 5 – para 2;

And now the Romans, judging that it was in vain to spare what was round about the holy house, burnt all those places, as also the remains of the cloisters and the gates, two excepted; the one on the east side, and the other on the south; both which, however, they burnt afterward. They also burnt down the treasury chambers, in which was an immense quantity of money, and an immense number of garments, and other precious goods there reposited; and, to speak all in a few words, there it was that the entire riches of the Jews were heaped up together, while the rich people had there built themselves chambers [to contain such furniture]. The soldiers also came to the rest of the cloisters that were in the outer [court of the] temple, whither the women and children, and a great mixed multitude of the people, fled, in number about six thousand. But before Caesar had determined any thing about these people, or given the commanders any orders relating to them, the soldiers were in such a rage, that they set that cloister on fire; by which means it came to pass that some of these were destroyed by throwing themselves down headlong, and some were burnt in the cloisters themselves. Nor did any one of them escape with his life. A false prophet was the occasion of these people’s destruction, who had made a public proclamation in the city that very day, that God commanded them to get upon the temple, and that there they should receive miraculous signs of their deliverance. Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.

All those people perished when the temple was burned by the Romans.

 

[douggg]

2 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

Perhaps you will expound on the fig tree in verse 32 for us all and share your understanding of 26 too.
 

I started a separate thread.

[BlindSeeker]

On 23/5/2016 at 7:56 PM, douggg said:

I started a separate thread.

BTW, it would be great if you shared your understanding of 26 too. I mean it is nice you went to the fig tree, but it would be nice if you addresed this before you leave this thread.

[douggg]

9 hours ago, BlindSeeker said:

BTW, it would be great if you shared your understanding of 26 too. I mean it is nice you went to the fig tree, but it would be nice if you addresed this before you leave this thread.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

I think at that time in the future, toward the end of the 7 years, there will be rumors get started among the Jews in the sanctuary of the mountains that Jesus has returned, but don't go chasing those rumors, because wandering off into those areas from the sanctuary of the mountains, at that time, a person would end up dying in those places.    Whereby a person tempted to go, could see from afar off eagles in the sky, over the bodies of them who did go chasing the rumors, as a reason not to go.

Edited May 24, 2016 by douggg

[BlindSeeker]

4 hours ago, douggg said:

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

 

I think at that time in the future, toward the end of the 7 years, there will be rumors get started among the Jews in the sanctuary of the mountains that Jesus has returned, but don't go chasing those rumors, because wandering off into those areas from the sanctuary of the mountains, at that time, a person would end up dying in those places.    Whereby a person tempted to go, could see from afar off eagles in the sky, over the bodies of them who did go chasing the rumors, as a reason not to go.

"...the sanctuary of the mountains?"

I see you have sought out (created?) an answer from your own sense of logic, or prehaps mere imaginings...

Nevertheless, I totally disagree with it since it’s outright conjecture which ignores scriptural and historical references of its fulfillment.

[ARGOSY]

On 5/14/2016 at 8:47 PM, Diaste said:

Daniel 2 and 7 indicate no such thing.  The five  who are fallen is also a fantasy. We all have been taught these things and they are false.

I would be interested to see how my view contradicts scripture. If you have no scriptural support which contradicts my view then my view remains a scipturally viable viewpoint.

[Diaste]

On 4/9/2016 at 6:13 AM, Spock said:

Possible scenario to share:

I'm still intrigued by this angle- this antichrist leader, who may or may not be at least part Jewish,  gets assassinated around the mid point of Daniels 70th week and the beast from the Abyss (Abaddon?) is set free and incarnates this slain person and now you have the BEAST that rises up out of the abyss to deal with.  This bad dude now kills the two witnesses of God in Jerusalem and with the whole world watching in amazement proceeds to the temple to do his abomination of desolation thingy. 

Enter the Great Tribulation. Those in Judea better flee to the mountains, everyone else not of the 144,000 or not deemed a Philadelphia Church type member better lock and load. 

What do you think?

spock

I like this suggestion but I would take it a step further. I see the following overview in scripture concerning the rise of the beast, the two witnesses, and the beginning and mid point of the 70th week:

The beast receives the deadly head wound and is healed before, or at the same moment, the last week begins, The two witnesses appear at the same time the beast is healed. Israel makes the pact with death(the 7 year covenant). The two witnesses oppose the beast, the pact and torment the earth for 1260 days before the midpoint of the week.

 It appears from what I read the deadly head wound that is healed signals the near beginning of the last week. Only after the healing does the word wonder at the beast and can exclaim, "who is able to make war with him?" This is when the beast can make peace in Israel for 7 years. The whole world will believe that this superhuman, who cannot be killed, will be too strong to fight against.  This is the pact with death that Israel makes. At the point the beast is healed, and makes the pact with Israel, the two witnesses arrive to oppose this pact and prophesy in Israel about the disastrous mistake they have made. For 1260 days they torment men with great power and words given to them from God. Everyone knows the power of the two witnesses, and the words they speak, come directly from God. People try to kill the two witnesses but are devoured by fire that comes from the mouth of the two. No one can oppose them. Now at the end of the days of the two witnesses the beast kills them. This is the beast's crowing moment. He has killed God's witnesses, bested the Most High, and the whole world will see the beast is more powerful than God himself. This is when the beast can step into the temple and proclaim himself to be God.

[Diaste]

16 hours ago, ARGOSY said:

I would be interested to see how my view contradicts scripture. If you have no scriptural support which contradicts my view then my view remains a scipturally viable viewpoint.

I have no idea what view you hold. But I do think a personal perspective of scriptural truth is confusing. There are hundreds and thousands of personal views and they cannot all be correct. There is only one correct answer and that comes from scripture.

If I understand your statement, you believe that lack of opposing evidence confirms the truth of your position? That's not logical. Lack of evidence does not prove anything, pro or con. For instance, their is a lack of evidence in scripture condemning illicit drugs. I could hold the position that illicit drugs are good and everyone should be taking them because scripture doesn't condemn them. 

So....what is your view?