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[ZacharyB]

Many years ago, I was warned about this passage by my pastor …

 

Matthew 7:

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

²² Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,

cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

²³ And then I will declare to them,

‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

Benjamin Baruch (one of God’s last-days prophets/watchmen) says:

“Our nation is full of professing Christians, who assume they will go to heaven,

yet the Lord declares (see above) that many on that day will be cast out!

These poor souls were converted, and some had even done miracles in His name,

yet they never knew Him. Dear reader, ask the Lord to test your heart.

Do you know Him? Does His word abide in you? Are you abiding in Him?

Do not trust in the mere confession of faith, but see if you have the love of

the Father in your heart and the evidence of salvation, which is the desire

to please and obey Him as Lord … I asked the Lord what was different

about the many that did not know Him, but only knew His name.

He answered me saying,

“These are they who have never received of my character, and were never

changed by my words, and have never learned to walk in my ways.

To them I will say, ‘Lo Ammi. You are not my people.’ “

 

Quite a good example of this is seen here …

 

John 15:

¹ I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

² Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away,

and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

³ You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

⁴ Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,

unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

⁵ I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him,

bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

⁶ If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;

and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

⁷ If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,

and it shall be done for you.

⁸ By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

⁹ “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.

¹⁰ If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,

just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

 

I see verse 21 below as a parallel passage to verse 10 above.

We are required to follow Jesus’ example of obeying God’s commandments,

which is perhaps the biggest part of overcoming, i.e. of being an overcomer.   

 

Revelation 21:

¹⁹ As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door,

I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

²¹ To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,

as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

²² He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

I realize you (of the Laodicean church, Rev 3) hate all of these troubling NT

passages that warn about loss of salvation. And I realize that you prefer

Scriptures such as John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, and etc.

But, please understand that there are many dozens of warning verses,  

and the Lord insists that your co-operation with the Holy Spirit and

your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!

[simplejeff]

Yes AMEN TO SCRIPTURE/ YAHWEH'S WORD...........  Blessings and Warnings , ALL HIS WORD.

 

the errors above in op are almost nothing,

but could be something.   life and death something.   

cannot yet address them/ maybe nothing.  

Yahweh willing,   soon know. 

[FresnoJoe]

16 minutes ago, ZacharyB said:

your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!

His Command

Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. John 15:3-4

HIS Blood

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. 1 Peter 1:18-23

HIS Salvation

Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. Jude 1:24-25

Beloved, Was There Ever Any Question....

I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images. Isaiah 43:8

Love, Your Brother Joe

[FresnoJoe]

The Law

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Romans 3:27

That Saves

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

[other one]

This is what that passage is speaking of:

 

Matt 25:31-46

31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. 32 "And all the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in; 36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You drink? 38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You? 39 'And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.' 41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; 43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.' 44 "Then they themselves also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?' 45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
NASB

 

[Reinitin]

4 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

Many years ago, I was warned about this passage by my pastor …

 

Matthew 7:

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven,

but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

²² Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name,

cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’

²³ And then I will declare to them,

‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

 

Benjamin Baruch (one of God’s last-days prophets/watchmen) says:

“Our nation is full of professing Christians, who assume they will go to heaven,

yet the Lord declares (see above) that many on that day will be cast out!

These poor souls were converted, and some had even done miracles in His name,

yet they never knew Him. Dear reader, ask the Lord to test your heart.

Do you know Him? Does His word abide in you? Are you abiding in Him?

Do not trust in the mere confession of faith, but see if you have the love of

the Father in your heart and the evidence of salvation, which is the desire

to please and obey Him as Lord … I asked the Lord what was different

about the many that did not know Him, but only knew His name.

He answered me saying,

“These are they who have never received of my character, and were never

changed by my words, and have never learned to walk in my ways.

To them I will say, ‘Lo Ammi. You are not my people.’ “

 

Quite a good example of this is seen here …

 

John 15:

¹ I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser.

² Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away,

and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

³ You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

⁴ Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,

unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.

⁵ I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him,

bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.

⁶ If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered;

and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

⁷ If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire,

and it shall be done for you.

⁸ By this My Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit; so you will be My disciples.

⁹ “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love.

¹⁰ If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love,

just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

 

I see verse 21 below as a parallel passage to verse 10 above.

We are required to follow Jesus’ example of obeying God’s commandments,

which is perhaps the biggest part of overcoming, i.e. of being an overcomer.   

 

Revelation 21:

¹⁹ As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

²⁰ Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door,

I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.

²¹ To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,

as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.

²² He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

 

I realize you (of the Laodicean church, Rev 3) hate all of these troubling NT

passages that warn about loss of salvation. And I realize that you prefer

Scriptures such as John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, and etc.

But, please understand that there are many dozens of warning verses,  

and the Lord insists that your co-operation with the Holy Spirit and

your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!

Amen

[ZacharyB]

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 10:04 AM, FresnoJoe said:

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

The whole of the NT explains what this "faith" actually entails ...

and that obedience to the new covenant has nothing to do with "works" of any kind.

Edited March 15, 2016 by ZacharyB

[FresnoJoe]

12 hours ago, ZacharyB said:

The whole of the NT explains what this "faith" actually entails ...

Why Yes It Does

Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith. Habakkuk 2:4

[gdemoss]

It is all about having Christ in me doing the works.  In and of myself I am nothing but through him am I made able to do that which I do.  What I can now do that I once could not do bears great evidence of him in me and my knowing him.

[enoob57]

On ‎3‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 11:41 AM, ZacharyB said:

I realize you (of the Laodicean church, Rev 3) hate all of these troubling NT

passages that warn about loss of salvation. And I realize that you prefer

Scriptures such as John 3:16, Ephesians 2:8, and etc.

But, please understand that there are many dozens of warning verses,  

and the Lord insists that your co-operation with the Holy Spirit and

your obedience to His commands are required for salvation!

The problem with this is that you must follow the whole of Scripture to place where Scripture leads...
and when you can no longer follow because of inabilities (which we all have) we are to wait upon The
Lord for increase!
Case in point:  
You say we can loose our salvation by our own doing~ so then we can get it back by our doing correct?
This is denied in Scripture as so
Tit 3:5-7
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
KJV

now leading them to think that what they do is to gain eternal life leaves these people Jesus spoke of
Mt 7:22-23
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
KJV

quit leading people to works based salvation and lead them to where there is nothing they can do to
gain Jesus here in this sin soaked world.. >but< to accept this reality which will bring true repentance
unto salvation... As long as a person thinks that there is something here worthy of God bestowing His
Righteousness upon-> you've missed the whole of The Bible's Teaching on the world's sin saturated exist...
What dumbfounds me is people who believe that light can be found in darkness... it makes no sense!

Eternal security is a well documented doctrine of God's Word and those born of Him know it to be so experientially...
Love, Steven