Divorce is not of God; God hates putting away.

[Snow]

 

No

 

It's nice to know that God changes His requirements and expectations every time we change our definitions. Or better yet, when we make a Law, God has to abide by it.

Isn't it amazing how we can always find ways to do that which we want to do...in Jesus' name.

Well, God, I know you wouldn't want me in this situation. I know that you've allowed my State to recognize No Fault divorce. So, I know it's your will that I get divorced for whatever reason I want.

My spouse told me no to something I want. I feel that their no will escalate to violence sometime in the future. So, because they said no, I fear for my life. Thank you for providing a way out. Thank you for the peace that passes all understanding in this situation.

" The Word of God tells us we should respect our Authorities & obey the Laws that are  in place ,do they not? "

\o/ Praise God !!!! \o/

Hi algots..Thank you for your answer, 'No' that NOT All marriages are blessed by God, and also further went on to explain how
prone to mistakes and fallible Christians can be...Should we stay in a marriage if it turns out it was not of God but of the
flesh? was it Ever a marriage in the first place if the couple were not brought together by God?

There are definitely some blatant marriage anomalies, such as witch ceremonies, or lesbian/gay weddings..Then an example of the other extreme
would probably be God told Hosea to marry Gomer, and  was told to love her even though she was committing adultery..Hosea 3:1  “Go again, love a woman
who is loved by a lover and is committing adultery, just like the love of the Lord for the children of Israel, who look to other
 gods and love the raisin cakes of the pagans.”....Praise the Lord!!

We are individual children of God through Faith in Christ Jesus, responsible for our own walk with Him, as we stumble He is there..
We learn to hear His voice  and see His direction in our lives. If a child of God is brought to the point where they  ask if the
relationship they are in is a marriage or a mistake, and the following morning the answer is a broken nose and ribs, then that Child
 of God has every right to believe that God has answered them, it was a mistake born of the flesh and not blessed by God.

Marriage can be entered into for the wrong reasons and that is when we turn a blind eye to God, but when we realize our mistake
and cry out for help, God is there as always, then as we realize it is only Him that we need in our lives, He may very well join
together two people in His name, and wherever two or more are gathered in His name, there He is..A truly blessed marriage..

God bless
 

[Snow]

 

You forget that the commitment and promise to each other and to God are very real, though.

Hi algots
Thank you for your response. I have already addressed your statement within the post you quoted..
God bless

[hmbld]

 

No

 

It's nice to know that God changes His requirements and expectations every time we change our definitions. Or better yet, when we make a Law, God has to abide by it.

Isn't it amazing how we can always find ways to do that which we want to do...in Jesus' name.

Well, God, I know you wouldn't want me in this situation. I know that you've allowed my State to recognize No Fault divorce. So, I know it's your will that I get divorced for whatever reason I want.

My spouse told me no to something I want. I feel that their no will escalate to violence sometime in the future. So, because they said no, I fear for my life. Thank you for providing a way out. Thank you for the peace that passes all understanding in this situation.

" The Word of God tells us we should respect our Authorities & obey the Laws that are  in place ,do they not? "

\o/ Praise God !!!! \o/

I can't help but feel you have no idea what some people endure.  Of course we recognize God hates divorce.  Yet, even God is merciful and has put in His word that He allows it due to hardness of heart.  This is not speaking of the victims hardness of heart, but the abuser.  Point is, some people do seek a divorce on nothing more than a whim.  But, there are people who endure that which you have no idea, waiting for death because they believe God is not merciful and will not allow them out of an abusive marriage.  Your post shows you have no regard for what is in a victims heart, by posting "I know it's your will that I get divorced for whatever reason I want" you are ridiculing someone  who is in a place you have never seen.  God IS merciful.  Do not place your foot on someones throat and claim you are defending God's word.  That is not love.  

[hmbld]

 

Seriously?

And you know this how? Because I don't agree? That's a pretty weak and egocentric criteria. Unless, I agree, I don't understand.

Would that argument work just as well for me?  That unless, you agree with me you just don't understand?

Well, allow me to attempt to make some clarification.  I never said, or implied that the abused individual should stay in the household of the abuse. I never said that the abused were to stay in the situation where abuse would most likely continue. There are plenty of shelters, or relatives, where someone who is abused can seek refuge. The abused can seek incarceration of the abuser. These are all options. Of which I said are many. In such cases. Separation is an option, but divorce is not.

All I said was that divorce is not, from what I see, a Biblical option. The sole purpose is for the sake of saving the marriage. The sole motivation should be for reconciliation.

People claim that God is powerful enough to save a person, just not powerful enough to save a marriage. It's easy to be a Christian when things are going good.

It's like a tube of toothpaste. When it's being squeezed, what's really on the inside is what is going to come out.

Again, you sound like you don't understand what people experience in an abusive marriage.  The options you list, simply are not options for someone who has been abused.  Reconciliation takes two.  I stand by my statement, God does hate divorce, but is merciful.  

[hmbld]

Ok.  

I thank God for His mercy and grace. Two important parts of Gods nature.  By myself, I can never be righteous. 

If one is under a rock and is reading this, do not take our words for advice. Take your heart and place it wholly at the foot of the cross, to Jesus. 

[hmbld]

 

Romans 6:1-2 King James Version (KJV)

6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

² God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

 

Yea, thank God for His grace. Because without it we couldn't sin our brains out and still call ourselves Christians.

I agree we are not to sin. Careful not to judge others as sinning while we think we are somehow above sinning ourselves. I think when we give account before God we will be amazed at sinfulness of our own hearts that we couldn't even see. One day there will be no tears or self righteous judging. 

[hmbld]

 

Are you really paralyzed by the fact that we all have a sinful nature? Does that prevent you from calling sin sin? Scripture never tells us not to point out sin in another. What it does say is that we are not to point out sin in another if we are doing the same sin. In that case we add hypocrisy to our own sin.

Just by the mere fact that we are commanded to declare the Gospel to the lost assumes that we conclude that they are, in fact, lost. We must first, acknowledge that they need to hear the Good News, lest we become bad stewards of God's message and declare salvation to those who are already saved.

We are commanded to expose sin. We are commanded to acknowledge sin, not only in ourselves, but that in others as well. How am I to correct a brother if I am unable to determine if that brother needs correcting? If I become so paralyzed in identifying and exposing the sin in another then I become disobedient to the commands which God has given me.

1 Peter 4:17-18 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁷ For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

¹⁸ And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

 

But, I can't judge another, because I have sin, myself.

Wrong Answer. You've just disobeyed God.

 

2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

¹⁶ All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Correct? Reproof?  I can't do that, because that would be...judging.

Wrong answer. You just disobeyed God...again.

 

 

No, I am not paralyzed by that fact. If you read my previous post you will see I did offer correction or reproof. What is the summation of the law?  

[hmbld]

I believe following the greatest commandment leads one to the second commandment.  1 Corinthians 13:4-7   Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.  It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.  Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.  It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[appy]

A person who truly and wholeheartedly wants to change, and wants God to be the center of their lives would do so long before a separation or divorce is needed or be confronted by admonishers. Abusers know that they are habitually sinning. It doesn't take admonishers to tell them that. If they have to be told, they were unwilling to change to start with. An abusive person even with help can just as easily fall off the band wagon and return to his old ways at any time. They are essentially a ticking time bomb.

Abuse doesn't stop with just separation. They find new ways to continue to abuse the victim through legalities and or finances. This is a situation in which all strings need to be cut. Making divorce necessary.

The abuser has chosen to serve himself instead of carrying out his marital obligations to love, honor, and cherish her. When this occurs, the marriage covenant has been broken. He has in effect chosen divorce by defiantly neglecting his marriage vows, giving the woman the right to file a legal suit.

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