Which Bible Version can you recommend (KJV, NIV, NKJV, etc)

[saved34]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I have shown through scripture that this would amount to essential Christian doctrine, and I am prepared to bring up that passage again to prove it.  Just because you discount it, that doesn't mean it is not essential.  Even Esther has stated that it is very important, but I do have additional verses I plan to bring up later.  I have a list of many that were left out, but I am using a link to another web-site, so I will be jotting them down, and then posting them. 

I don't believe that many people are being saved and leading Godly lives through reading the new versions.  Most people get saved after hearing the gospel preached, and then purchase a Bible to try to learn more about God.  The majority never read the Bible at all, but rely on what preachers tell them about it.  Those that read the Bible through and actually study it are the exception to the rule, and those people deserve to have a complete Bible.  There is no good reason for removing one jot or tittle from the text. 

 

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I don't think you understand what Christian doctrine is Saved34, so I will post this again.  Notice that it says, "all scripture?"  It doesn't say scripture that Saved 34 thinks is important. 

That in no way answers my question. I think maybe you are not understanding what I'm asking.

Should we go step by step?

Is the Deity of Christ present in the new versions?

Is theTrinity?

Salvation?

Justification by Faith?

The Virgin Birth?

The precious blood of Christ?

The Bodily Resurrection of Christ?

What is missing? What is the conspiracy?

 

[saved34]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

Those are not the only things that matter.  I reject the entire notion that so long as those things remain, all is well.  I could take out the entire book of Revelation and still find those doctrines somewhere in the New Testament, but that wouldn't mean I would be right to do so.  The entire premise of your argument is ludicrous.  I don't have to show them missing things you claim are essential to have a legitimate objection to the removal of other doctrinal issues, so I will answer your question directly.  I will put a stop to this nonsense once and for all. 

I am not specifically aware of examples where the verses that were removed addressed those specific issues you are mentioning, but at the same time, it doesn't matter.  Having them in the Bible isn't good enough.  We need them plus all the rest of God's Word, every jot and tittle of it.  So now, when you come back again, as I expect you will, and continue the propaganda about how those on the KJV only side cannot answer your question, I did answer your question.  I acknowledge that the specific things you want to limit this debate to were not necessarily removed, but I reject the notion that if those things remain, it is ok to remove all else. 

No, you could not remove Revelation and still have Bible truth. You say those are not the only thing that matter? Seriously? 

Things that give a sinner life and teaches him or her about their God, and make them solid in the faith must take a back seat to the false teaching of KJV onlyism and conspiracy theories? 

Has being Kjv only made your walk with God stronger than those of us who study other versions? Are you "better" than us? 

Either way you are honest in your arguments concerning this issue as I have seen your former stance change. You are not the only kjv onlyist who absolutely cannot show that the Essential truths of our faith are not present in the nee versions.

 

 

[saved34]

3 minutes ago, Butero said:

I knew what you were going to do.  I knew it before you wrote this reply.  You can remove Revelation and still find that list of what you call essentials in the Bible somewhere else.  Now you have moved your own bar.  Now you say I can't remove it and "still have Bible truth."  I will say you can't remove the teaching on casting out devils and still have complete Bible truth.  You will have some Bible truth, but not all. 

What positions did I change exactly?  If you were to go back to when I first joined WB, you can make that claim, as I went from KJV only to TR only after a Soap Box debate.  That was a long time ago.  I haven't changed anything of late.  Here is my position in a nut shell, and anyone can go back and read carefully what I said and confirm this is so.

1.  I personally believe that my 1611 KJV Bible is perfect, in that I need no other Bible to compare it to.  I can just accept what it says as absolute truth.

2.  I cannot prove that the 1611 KJV Bible is absolutely perfect, so I don't argue that point.  It is my personal conviction.

3.  I stand against any translation that leaves out part of the original text, which would be most modern English translations.  The only modern English translation I have confirmed contains the entire text is the NKJV Bible. Where is the change?  What stance have I altered? 

The only false teaching are coming from those who defend the modern translations.  They are doing the work of Satan.  The conspiracy is from the kingdom of darkness, not individual translators who are just tools who don't all realize they are being used.

How has being KJV only made my walk with God stronger than those who study other versions?  Because I have the truth on my side.  I am standing for God, while the other side is being an advocate for the devil.  Does that make me better than you?  Like everyone else, I have my own faults.  It may not be in this area, but I am far from perfect, so only God can answer that in a one on one basis.  I can say that in this instance, I am standing with the Lord in opposition to the other side who is standing with Satan.

What you are describing as essentials is milk doctrines.  Some of us moved past that long ago. 

Just understand whether you call essential doctrine  "milk", these are truths that have been protected throughout Church history, and is what makes us genuine from the spurrious who seek to discredit the Lord and what scripture reveals him to be.

If none of the essentials of our faith are missing. Where is the conspiracy? What is "kingdom of darkness" gaining?

I read the newer versions and do not doubt Gods word for one instance. I live my life by it and trust it 100%. 

[kwikphilly]

I must comment on the "unicorn" query,,,,,,,It took me a very long t7ime to understand what was going on there-lol,,,many years ago when I gave quite a good go at learning Ancient languages(turned out much more difficult than I imagined-lol) Anyway,Butero is correct,it does not mean the pretty little horses with a horn on the forehead,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it is oxen(or very similar to what we know as oxen,,,,with a single horn,,,,

A Strongs dictionary will not do much to help ,it takes a bit of research,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,                   Love,Kwik

 

I can't believe this thread is still going,it is a never ending debate of opinions & preferences

[Esther4:14]

6 hours ago, Butero said:

I know for a fact it is not in the NIV, and it is also left out of many modern translations.  How many Bible translations do you have???  I suppose I need to go down to the book store and find the HCSB and the NASB so I can comb through them and see if anything is left out, but I know for a fact I have 3 modern translations that leave it out completely.  One is the ESV and one is the NIV.  What a confusing mess!  And the Bible says God is not the author of confusion. 

I will look into this Esther, because this is important, and I am glad you recognize that it is.  I want to know what translations are leaving out portions of the text, and which ones do not.  If there are more modern English translations besides the NKJV that include the entire text, I would like to acknowledge them to make a distinction between them and those that do. 

Yes, it is in the main body of the text.  You can check with Bible Gateway before buying a copy if you would like.

[Ezra]

3 hours ago, saved34 said:

Has being Kjv only made your walk with God stronger than those of us who study other versions? Are you "better" than us? 

That is not really the issue.  The issue is simply which Bible is uncorrupted and which versions are corrupted Bibles? ALL modern versions are essentially corrupted Bibles.  This is fact, not fiction.  

So why would any Christian willingly choose what is corrupted, when the uncorrupted is available?  The reason why so many Christians have been deceived is because Satan is behind the deception, and he presents the true as false, and the false as true (using rationalistic scholars to do his dirty deeds).  

Since I have studied this matter is depth, I can make this statement with complete confidence (as probably can Butero).

[Esther4:14]

9 minutes ago, Ezra said:

That is not really the issue.  The issue is simply which Bible is uncorrupted and which versions are corrupted Bibles? ALL modern versions are essentially corrupted Bibles.  This is fact, not fiction.  

So why would any Christian willingly choose what is corrupted, when the uncorrupted is available?  The reason why so many Christians have been deceived is because Satan is behind the deception, and he presents the true as false, and the false as true (using rationalistic scholars to do his dirty deeds).  

Since I have studied this matter is depth, I can make this statement with complete confidence (as probably can Butero).

While I would that there has been a modern attempt to corrupt the Bible and that some of the Bibles are about as useful as the Vulgate, I think the Christian community has responded to this threat in many ways that have required this attempt to corrupt the Bible to become more concealed.  So, I agree that it is still there hidden in the shadows, but I am not as concerned for it's manifestation in the year 2016 when there have been so many complaints necessitating even newer translations accommodate the market who want an accurate translation.  Technically, we still do have the numbers to create the pressure for accuracy to do this.  

[saved34]

1 hour ago, Ezra said:

That is not really the issue.  The issue is simply which Bible is uncorrupted and which versions are corrupted Bibles? ALL modern versions are essentially corrupted Bibles.  This is fact, not fiction.  

So why would any Christian willingly choose what is corrupted, when the uncorrupted is available?  The reason why so many Christians have been deceived is because Satan is behind the deception, and he presents the true as false, and the false as true (using rationalistic scholars to do his dirty deeds).  

Since I have studied this matter is depth, I can make this statement with complete confidence (as probably can Butero).

I think that is the issue. Reading the content and allowing it to transform us is the main reason God gave it to us. Not to hold some particular version on a pedestal and thumb our nose at others who do not do the same. You say corrupted, yet when I ask what is corrupted all I get is nonsense. 

Are you and other KJV onlyist prepared to say all who read modern Bibles are deceived by satan? Somehow the Holy Spirit does not lead us into truth as he does the Kjv onlyist?

What truth is corrupted out of the modern Bibles? What grand conspiracy is deceiving so many millions that trust in Christ finished work through the Niv, Nasb etc?

I say it is an impossibility to corrupt Gods word without it sticking out like a sore thumb. One change in doctrine would instantly be rejected by a enlightened heart from God.

[saved34]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I do believe that those who choose modern Bibles are deceived by Satan.  I do believe those who choose them are in a deception, so they are not led into the truth as the KJV only person is.  I have already given you one major example of something that was corrupted in modern Bibles.  I plan to give you more when I stop for the evening.  I don't believe there are many who are trusting in Christ's finished work through the NIV, NASB, etc.  I don't think many people come to Christ by purchasing any Bible, reading it, and then getting saved.  Most get saved after hearing a preacher.  They purchase a Bible to learn more. 

The new translations do stick out like a sore thumb to those of us with eyes to see.  We do reject the corrupted versions. 

What truth do they reject? Are you now making the Kjv a prerequisite for salvation? If so, show me chapter and verse please.

[saved34]

1 minute ago, Butero said:

I don't think you have to have any Bible to be saved.  You just have to understand the plan of salvation and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.  I am just saying that those who choose modern English translations are deceived by Satan, missing important scriptures, and basically missing out on some truths God desires them to have. 

What truth do they reject?  They are rejecting words of God that he gave us.  They are claiming they don't belong in the Bible.  The devils are rejoicing over the new translations that leave out words of Christ telling us how to cast them out.  They can continue to keep people in bondage that could have been set free. 

Maybe you are not understanding my question. You said they(other believers) are being deceived by not reading the kjv exclysively. What truth are they missing? What truth pertaining to life and Godliness are they missing out on? What are you as a fellow believer practicing that they are not?