What is the doctrine of the Trinity?

[missmuffet]

God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God three persons.

[TrevorL]

Greetings bopeep1909,

 

On ‎21‎/‎05‎/‎2016 at 6:49 AM, bopeep1909 said:

God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. One God three persons.

 

I do not find this definition in the Bible, nor the word “The Trinity”, nor the many concepts that are used to try to explain the Trinity.

 

The following is one example of Apostolic belief:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV): But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

[other one]

3 hours ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings bopeep1909,

 

 

I do not find this definition in the Bible, nor the word “The Trinity”, nor the many concepts that are used to try to explain the Trinity.

 

The following is one example of Apostolic belief:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV): But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

trevor......   without Jesus you would have no access to the Father....   and without the Holy Spirit you would have no access to Jesus's saving actions nor the father....

So what is a god......   some people's god is money, some actually themselves, some any number of pagan deities which are actually demonic entities or fallen angels......   our god is the trio of three entities that are so closely fixed together that they operate as one.....   and since we ourselves do not have access to them without having all three of them, we have that situation that is refereed to as the trinity.

[TrevorL]

Greetings other one,

1 hour ago, other one said:

trevor......   without Jesus you would have no access to the Father....   and without the Holy Spirit you would have no access to Jesus's saving actions nor the father....

So what is a god......   some people's god is money, some actually themselves, some any number of pagan deities which are actually demonic entities or fallen angels......   our god is the trio of three entities that are so closely fixed together that they operate as one.....   and since we ourselves do not have access to them without having all three of them, we have that situation that is refereed to as the trinity.

 

I agree that God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are revealed to us in the Bible and have a special relationship with each other. Yes we need all three of them, but the definition of the Trinity, especially in the Athanasian Creed, is different to what is taught in the Scriptures. Also your explanation is not Scriptural either.

 

The following is one example of Christ’s teaching on this subject:

John 17:1-3 (KJV): ¹ These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: ² As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. ³ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards Trevor

[other one]

4 minutes ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings other one,

 

I agree that God the Father, our Lord Jesus Christ the Son of God and the Holy Spirit are revealed to us in the Bible and have a special relationship with each other. Yes we need all three of them, but the definition of the Trinity, especially in the Athanasian Creed, is different to what is taught in the Scriptures. Also your explanation is not Scriptural either.

 

The following is one example of Christ’s teaching on this subject:

John 17:1-3 (KJV): ¹ These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: ² As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. ³ And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards Trevor

you are misusing the word "god" in applying it only to one thing.......   anything can be a persons god..    Jesus said the Father was his God....   Thomas said that Jesus was his God and Jesus didn't correct him...  you are putting some special meaning to the word that the Bible doesn't put on it.

[TrevorL]

15 minutes ago, other one said:

you are misusing the word "god" in applying it only to one thing.......   anything can be a persons god..    Jesus said the Father was his God....   Thomas said that Jesus was his God and Jesus didn't correct him...  you are putting some special meaning to the word that the Bible doesn't put on it.

Greetings again other one,

 

I cannot accept your reasoning here. The Scriptures use the word God in a number of ways in both the OT and NT, but not in the sense that you are claiming in order to support your view of the Trinity or “trinity” (I am not sure why you use lower case for this title). The usage of the word "God" for Jesus in John 20:28 is consistent with this usage in the OT and NT and does not support the Trinity concept.

 

The following is a summary of how the Apostle John understood the position of Jesus and the purpose of his writing the Gospel record of John:

John 20:30-31 (KJV): ³⁰ And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: ³¹ But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

[angels4u]

1 hour ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings again other one,

 

I cannot accept your reasoning here. The Scriptures use the word God in a number of ways in both the OT and NT, but not in the sense that you are claiming in order to support your view of the Trinity or “trinity” (I am not sure why you use lower case for this title). The usage of the word "God" for Jesus in John 20:28 is consistent with this usage in the OT and NT and does not support the Trinity concept.

 

The following is a summary of how the Apostle John understood the position of Jesus and the purpose of his writing the Gospel record of John:

John 20:30-31 (KJV): ³⁰ And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: ³¹ But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

 

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

 

Trevor , how would you explain John 1:1?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
 

[other one]

1 hour ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings again other one,

 

I cannot accept your reasoning here. The Scriptures use the word God in a number of ways in both the OT and NT, but not in the sense that you are claiming in order to support your view of the Trinity or “trinity” (I am not sure why you use lower case for this title). The usage of the word "God" for Jesus in John 20:28 is consistent with this usage in the OT and NT and does not support the Trinity concept.

 

 

I used the small 'g' because I was speaking mostly of the word itself.   The capitol was put there by the translators as Hebrew does not have caps, and the New Testament was written in all caps from what I have read....   So when the word is used we don't have any real way of saying other than when we are referring to Jesus or the Father the Translators used the Caps out of respect......   but it does really not add anything to the word itself, just the context.

John plainly says that Jesus was in the form of God and set it aside for a short time, and after his resurrection he was given all power and authority by the Father and asked the Father to give him the glory he had before being born....   To me that put him back on the level of being God or "a god form".

I personally just don't accept the form that Shiloh states of who and what God is......   and many people I know who have been to seminary school have changed their minds about it also.   

[missmuffet]

9 hours ago, TrevorL said:

Greetings bopeep1909,

 

 

I do not find this definition in the Bible, nor the word “The Trinity”, nor the many concepts that are used to try to explain the Trinity.

 

The following is one example of Apostolic belief:

1 Corinthians 8:6 (KJV): But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him

There is one God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

 

Kind regards

Trevor

 

The word "Trinity" is not in the BIble but this is:

The Trinity is one God existing in three Persons. Understand that this is not in any way suggesting three Gods. Keep in mind when studying this subject that the word “Trinity” is not found in Scripture. This is a term that is used to attempt to describe the triune God—three coexistent, co-eternal Persons who make up God. Of real importance is that the concept represented by the word “Trinity” does exist in Scripture. The following is what God’s Word says about the Trinity:

1) There is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4; 1 Corinthians 8:4; Galatians 3:20; 1 Timothy 2:5).

2) The Trinity consists of three Persons (Genesis 1:1, 26; 3:22; 11:7; Isaiah 6:8, 48:16, 61:1; Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14). In Genesis 1:1, the Hebrew plural noun "Elohim" is used. In Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 and Isaiah 6:8, the plural pronoun for “us” is used. The word "Elohim" and the pronoun “us” are plural forms, definitely referring in the Hebrew language to more than two. While this is not an explicit argument for the Trinity, it does denote the aspect of plurality in God. The Hebrew word for "God," "Elohim," definitely allows for the Trinity.

In Isaiah 48:16 and 61:1, the Son is speaking while making reference to the Father and the Holy Spirit. Compare Isaiah 61:1 to Luke 4:14-19 to see that it is the Son speaking. Matthew 3:16-17 describes the event of Jesus' baptism. Seen in this passage is God the Holy Spirit descending on God the Son while God the Father proclaims His pleasure in the Son. Matthew 28:19 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 are examples of three distinct Persons in the Trinity.

3) The members of the Trinity are distinguished one from another in various passages. In the Old Testament, “LORD” is distinguished from “Lord” (Genesis 19:24; Hosea 1:4). The LORD has a Son (Psalm 2:7, 12; Proverbs 30:2-4). The Spirit is distinguished from the “LORD” (Numbers 27:18) and from “God” (Psalm 51:10-12). God the Son is distinguished from God the Father (Psalm 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9). In the New Testament, Jesus speaks to the Father about sending a Helper, the Holy Spirit (John 14:16-17). This shows that Jesus did not consider Himself to be the Father or the Holy Spirit. Consider also all the other times in the Gospels where Jesus speaks to the Father. Was He speaking to Himself? No. He spoke to another Person in the Trinity—the Father.

4) Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3:16).

5) There is subordination within the Trinity. Scripture shows that the Holy Spirit is subordinate to the Father and the Son, and the Son is subordinate to the Father. This is an internal relationship and does not deny the deity of any Person of the Trinity. This is simply an area which our finite minds cannot understand concerning the infinite God. Concerning the Son see Luke 22:42, John 5:36, John 20:21, and 1 John 4:14. Concerning the Holy Spirit see John 14:16, 14:26, 15:26, 16:7, and especially John 16:13-14.

6) The individual members of the Trinity have different tasks. The Father is the ultimate source or cause of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; Revelation 4:11); divine revelation (Revelation 1:1); salvation (John 3:16-17); and Jesus' human works (John 5:17; 14:10). The Father initiates all of these things.

The Son is the agent through whom the Father does the following works: the creation and maintenance of the universe (1 Corinthians 8:6; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16-17); divine revelation (John 1:1, 16:12-15; Matthew 11:27; Revelation 1:1); and salvation (2 Corinthians 5:19; Matthew 1:21; John 4:42). The Father does all these things through the Son, who functions as His agent.

The Holy Spirit is the means by whom the Father does the following works: creation and maintenance of the universe (Genesis 1:2; Job 26:13; Psalm 104:30); divine revelation (John 16:12-15; Ephesians 3:5; 2 Peter 1:21); salvation (John 3:6; Titus 3:5; 1 Peter 1:2); and Jesus' works (Isaiah 61:1; Acts 10:38). Thus, the Father does all these things by the power of the Holy Spirit.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html

[kwikphilly]

As Angels4u has asked,,,,,,,,,,,,& it is a VERY SIMPLE question,,,,

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Trevor , how would you explain John 1:1?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

No disrespect to anyone,especially BoPeep but we do not need gotquestions.org or anything more than Gods Word to tell us that the GodHead Triune is 3 distinct persons of God,in/as ONE/////

Simple question,,,,,simple answer

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you are misusing the word "god" in applying it only to one thing.......   anything can be a persons god..    Jesus said the Father was his God....   Thomas said that Jesus was his God and Jesus didn't correct him...  you are putting some special meaning to the word that the Bible doesn't put on it.                                                                                   posted by other one