2. Christ Operating in the Godhead.

[HAZARD]

2 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

Just saying Hazard, that sounds a bit arrogant, people can sometimes believe differently, have different understandings, I know that I do not always agree with you, but I don't do the "I am glad that I am not like you" bit . . . perhaps YOU misunderstand things, don't rule it out!

1 Cor 8:1 we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies.

I invite you to join me, in trying to keep that in mind!

Hi Omegaman.

I know you don't always agree with me, and that's fine,  but you don't say to me, I am aligned with alleged heretics, or I preach heresy, or am a parrot, or that I have a shallow simplistic, backwards approach to the Word of God when in fact all I am doing is quoting His Word, all the while being called some other insulting names, as has happened here recently.

I said, I am glad I am not like the one's who do not believe what God says about Himself. I don't call them heretics and preachers of heresy as I have been accused of because I say I believe what God says.

I understand your advice, but I am also copping some rude  remarks and accusations, You don't hear me whining about it. I am a big boy and I can defend myself well enough. I also know that when God says something about Himself in Scripture many hundreds of times, I know He means what He says, and I believe Him, and in so doing I also know He is behind me all the way.

Thanks for the heads up, He could have said, I don't believe, or I don't agree with Hazard, instead he said, "I'm not like hazard" as if there's something bad about being like me? In fact, he knows nothing about me, who I am, what I have done, my experiences in life, all he knows is what I quote from Gods book, and I believe what God says about Himself, and its obvious to me, he does not.

 

[Sister]

Hi Marilyn

I don't see what all the fuss is about, then again I do.  It goes very deep.  To start off with we just need to know the name Jesus Christ, and follow what he says,...that name, no one else.

Have you read this scripture?

Psalms 138:2   I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Jesus Christ is "the Word of God".  He is magnified above God's name because  God's WORD  is true and faithful, in the Spirit, and even when he was made Flesh put through various trials and temptations.

We only know God through his Word. Through his commandments and instructions.  Without God's Word we would not know him, but probably listen to somebody else's word.  The Word that was made flesh brought light into the world.  Before that it was darkness, no understanding given to us.  This is the Word we ought to hear.  This is why we are to honour Jesus above everything named in heaven and on earth because the Word that always was is now made manifest to us and we can identify him, as he is given a name.

 Psalms 119:172   My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

God is not magnifying himself but his Word.  His Word is what we ought to be eating - his commandments, his ways, his righteousness.....everything he speaks.  If we do this, the Son will abide in us, also the Father.

 Matthew 11:27   All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Every one has a different level of understanding.  Some are given more, some are given less according to what measure they have.  Some are still growing.  Do you agree that only the Son can reveal it as mentioned above?  If so, why are we persecuting the brethren?  Have we become each other's oppressors now?  The only way we can learn is by asking questions and discussing, but the answer will not come from man, nor from me, but from the Son who will reveal exactly who the Father and Son is and we can only testify truly or in error according to that measure given us. 

When Jesus speaks, it is God speaking for he is God's Word.  We will be judged according to the Word of God, all that he has spoken and commanded.

 1 John 2:23   Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If we know the Son, we know the Father, for he is the door to the father and he shows us the Father.  We are told to Worship God through his Son Jesus, it cannot be put more simple than that.

[Marilyn C]

37 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi Marilyn

I don't see what all the fuss is about, then again I do.  It goes very deep.  To start off with we just need to know the name Jesus Christ, and follow what he says,...that name, no one else.

Have you read this scripture?

Psalms 138:2   I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Jesus Christ is "the Word of God".  He is magnified above God's name because  God's WORD  is true and faithful, in the Spirit, and even when he was made Flesh put through various trials and temptations.

We only know God through his Word. Through his commandments and instructions.  Without God's Word we would not know him, but probably listen to somebody else's word.  The Word that was made flesh brought light into the world.  Before that it was darkness, no understanding given to us.  This is the Word we ought to hear.  This is why we are to honour Jesus above everything named in heaven and on earth because the Word that always was is now made manifest to us and we can identify him, as he is given a name.

 Psalms 119:172   My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

God is not magnifying himself but his Word.  His Word is what we ought to be eating - his commandments, his ways, his righteousness.....everything he speaks.  If we do this, the Son will abide in us, also the Father.

 Matthew 11:27   All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Every one has a different level of understanding.  Some are given more, some are given less according to what measure they have.  Some are still growing.  Do you agree that only the Son can reveal it as mentioned above?  If so, why are we persecuting the brethren?  Have we become each other's oppressors now?  The only way we can learn is by asking questions and discussing, but the answer will not come from man, nor from me, but from the Son who will reveal exactly who the Father and Son is and we can only testify truly or in error according to that measure given us. 

When Jesus speaks, it is God speaking for he is God's Word.  We will be judged according to the Word of God, all that he has spoken and commanded.

 1 John 2:23   Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If we know the Son, we know the Father, for he is the door to the father and he shows us the Father.  We are told to Worship God through his Son Jesus, it cannot be put more simple than that.

Hi Sister,

Yes we are to worship God by His Holy Spirit through His Son Jesus. That is about US. Now to concentrate specifcally on Christ & what He is doing in the Godhead in the end-times takes more study & discussion.

Marilyn.

 

Edited June 1, 2016 by Marilyn C

[Sister]

Thanks Marilyn

I've had a look at all the scriptures that mention the "Godhead" to see what it's saying.

 Acts 17:29   Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 Acts 17:30   And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

  Acts 17:31   Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 

What I get out of that is that we cannot compare the Godhead to idols made with man's hands that have no life, and that he will judge the world by Jesus who was "ordained" and has given us assurance that "he" raised him from the dead.  God raised him, no one else did.

 

 

  Romans 1:18   For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

  Romans 1:19   Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

  Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

  Romans 1:21   Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

  Romans 1:22   Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

  Romans 1:23   And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This shows me that this is speaking to those who knew of God, and his Son Jesus Christ, but held "the truth" in "unrighteousness", and made idols, doing abominations, whilst knowing the truth, therefore are without excuse.  What it doesn't explain here is what the Godhead is, but we should know that already;

 1 Corinthians 11:3   But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

 Colossians 2:6   As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

  Colossians 2:7   Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

  Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

  Colossians 2:9   For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

  Colossians 2:10   And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

This shows me that as we have received Jesus we should "walk in him", and being rooted and built up in him (having the right foundation)  and abounding with thanksgiving, we should be aware lest any man spoil us through "philosophy" or "vain deceit", after the tradition of men and not after Christ (going after strange flesh).  Because in Christ dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and we are "complete in him" because he is "the head" of "all principality and power"(everything).  So the message here is to stay grounded and not go after strange teachings of men, because Christ is "the head" of this body, (the one we are in) so stay with him and don't listen to anyone else.  We are COMPLETE in HIM, not needing any other.

These scriptures all point to Christ.  So where does that leave God?, well God is IN Christ, for Christ is doing God's work, he is "God's Word" establishing the church of believers making the body fit tight like a glove and has established us in the faith, teaching us, whereas we are increasingly thankful, so we acknowledge him,  and Christ is the "head" of this body, which is also in "him", therefore he is in all.

What else can we add to it and say what it's not saying?  I don't get it?  It says don't go outside the Godhead body...don't stray. It's simple. Are we trying to do what we are warned against?

Colossians 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

8 hours ago, Sister said:

Thanks Marilyn

I've had a look at all the scriptures that mention the "Godhead" to see what it's saying.

 Acts 17:29   Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

 Acts 17:30   And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

  Acts 17:31   Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
 

What I get out of that is that we cannot compare the Godhead to idols made with man's hands that have no life, and that he will judge the world by Jesus who was "ordained" and has given us assurance that "he" raised him from the dead.  God raised him, no one else did.

 

 

  Romans 1:18   For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

  Romans 1:19   Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

  Romans 1:20   For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

  Romans 1:21   Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

  Romans 1:22   Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

  Romans 1:23   And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

This shows me that this is speaking to those who knew of God, and his Son Jesus Christ, but held "the truth" in "unrighteousness", and made idols, doing abominations, whilst knowing the truth, therefore are without excuse.  What it doesn't explain here is what the Godhead is, but we should know that already;

 1 Corinthians 11:3   But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

 

 Colossians 2:6   As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

  Colossians 2:7   Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.

  Colossians 2:8   Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

  Colossians 2:9   For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

  Colossians 2:10   And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

This shows me that as we have received Jesus we should "walk in him", and being rooted and built up in him (having the right foundation)  and abounding with thanksgiving, we should be aware lest any man spoil us through "philosophy" or "vain deceit", after the tradition of men and not after Christ (going after strange flesh).  Because in Christ dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and we are "complete in him" because he is "the head" of "all principality and power"(everything).  So the message here is to stay grounded and not go after strange teachings of men, because Christ is "the head" of this body, (the one we are in) so stay with him and don't listen to anyone else.  We are COMPLETE in HIM, not needing any other.

These scriptures all point to Christ.  So where does that leave God?, well God is IN Christ, for Christ is doing God's work, he is "God's Word" establishing the church of believers making the body fit tight like a glove and has established us in the faith, teaching us, whereas we are increasingly thankful, so we acknowledge him,  and Christ is the "head" of this body, which is also in "him", therefore he is in all.

What else can we add to it and say what it's not saying?  I don't get it?  It says don't go outside the Godhead body...don't stray. It's simple. Are we trying to do what we are warned against?

Colossians 2:8  Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

 

 

 

 

Hi Sister,

All great scriptures there. Some related to us in Christ & some related to what Christ is doing not specifically related to us.

Thank you, Marilyn.

[Retrobyter]

21 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

We know from Jesus` own words that He was a king before He came into the world. He held that high office in the Godhead – the Trinity being the sovereign ruler over all.

Shalom, Marilyn.

Forgive me, but I can't recall Yeshua` saying any such thing. Would you refresh my memory, please?

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Marilyn.

Forgive me, but I can't recall Yeshua` saying any such thing. Would you refresh my memory, please?

Hi Retrobyter,

Certainly - `Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now my kingdom is not from here. Pilate therefore said to him, "Are you a king then?" Jesus answered, "You say rightly that I am a king.....` (John 18:  36 & 37)

Marilyn.

[LeavesSeeds]

Yes.  >>

18 hours ago, Sister said:

......  To start off with we just need to know the name Jesus Christ, and follow what he says,...that name, no one else.

.....Psalms 138:2   I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

Jesus Christ is "the Word of God".  He is magnified above God's name because  God's WORD  is true and faithful, in the Spirit, and even when he was made Flesh put through various trials and temptations.

We only know God through his Word. Through his commandments and instructions.  Without God's Word we would not know him, but probably listen to somebody else's word.  The Word that was made flesh brought light into the world.  Before that it was darkness, no understanding given to us.  This is the Word we ought to hear.  This is why we are to honour Jesus above everything named in heaven and on earth because the Word that always was is now made manifest to us and we can identify him, as he is given a name.

 Psalms 119:172   My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness........

 Matthew 11:27   All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

......When Jesus speaks, it is God speaking for he is God's Word.  We will be judged according to the Word of God, all that he has spoken and commanded.

 1 John 2:23   Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

If we know the Son, we know the Father, for he is the door to the father and he shows us the Father.  .....

it cannot be put more simple than that.

As it is written "Whoever has the Son, has Life;  whoever has not the Son, has no life".

[Sister]

12 hours ago, LeavesSeeds said:

Yes.  >>

As it is written "Whoever has the Son, has Life;  whoever has not the Son, has no life".

Amen!

[angels4u]

Just to make sure everybody understand , there is no option not to believe that Jesus is God,there are people on this board,I don't know who they all are but if you deny that Jesus is God,you will not have life.

So it's good to examine ourself of what we believe ,do we believe that Jesus God?

John 8:24New International Version (NIV)

²⁴ I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am He, you will indeed die in your sins.”