Trump's immigration ban causing panic, confusion and outrage world wide

[missmuffet]

47 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

You have to break some eggs to make an omelet, MM.

Or to scramble some eggs.

[MorningGlory]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Or to scramble some eggs.

Well that too but I'd prefer a nice Denver omelet.  Oh phooey, now I'm hungry!

[missmuffet]

17 minutes ago, MorningGlory said:

Well that too but I'd prefer a nice Denver omelet.  Oh phooey, now I'm hungry!

I love eggs but I can not stand omelets.

[just_abc]

On ‎29‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 2:04 AM, other one said:

I thought he would just stop issuing visa's for the time and not completely stop people in route from coming.

 

Yes.  I think I initially thought it was going to be a temporary halt on issuing new visas.  But apparently even those with pre-existing visas might be banned ?

 

On ‎29‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 3:27 AM, hmbld said:

Is it a right or a privilege to travel to other countries?  I've heard occasions where Americans are stopped at borders of other countries and turned away. Do other countries have more rights than the US?

 

The USA has the legal right to allow or disallow anyone into its country.  That is the right of the USA.

But I think the USA [and other countries too] also want people to enter their countries legally and by following all the rules....  In many countries around the world it is not easy to get a USA visa.  There are a lot of requirements or hoops to jump through {figuratively speaking}.  It costs money just to apply for a USA visa {with no gurantee one would actually succeed}.  It takes time and effort too..  And even after getting that visa.. to visit the USA one would still need a plane ticket etc.. make travel and living arrangements etc. 

If someone or a family.. tried to follow all the rules.. went through all the difficult process.. spent money time effort.. made arrangements..  bought a plane ticket.. arrived in the USA.. and then were told the USA had *suddenly* decided to change its mind .... how are they supposed to feel?  ....Who is going to reinburse them for all the money that they spent etc?

While it might not have been the intention..  it can seem like penalising those who actually tried to obey the law and all the rules and do things the right way......

 

Just an outsider's personal opinion that's all. 

Thanks.     

 

Edited January 30, 2017 by just_abc

[Guest Thallasa]

13 hours ago, MorningGlory said:

It's amazing to see a European totally 'get it' when so many Americans are clueless as to what is going on, Thallasa.  Good analysis, for sure.

Thankyou M.G.,but I have the benefit of having lived in three european counties and spent real time in Spain and England. As you will see  my interests are people with 'good intentions ' . Some people even when they go astray are well intended and others who pretend to care, or believe, are basically ill intentionee but hide it well.

I saw this in Trump when I watched  him at home in Lewis,with his cousins ,who were super and good people ,and probably the kind that the  pretend people would have felt sorry for ,or ignored ,but Donald (a good teutcher name ) was so natural and at home .. Then I saw a video, when he was talking about Iraq indicating his intelligence and honest caring for his own, and also for the people of Iraq ,but then it may have been taken down, as all I could see  on the net was his 'actor side ',and of course his womanising ,which was very little in comparison to the baby boom generation .

If you take a looking down on view you can see that  there is a big mess which must sorted out ,and to do that, certain things must end, and others limited ,but most people see only from their own corner ,and therefore in a very limited way .

We are living here in France ,the possibility of another socialist progressist government, which will finally rot France totally . I am neither of the right or left and choose according to the need to balance ,but while the left was needed to rein in the excesses of the very rich and royal class structure of the past ,the extreme left is  no longer about justice , but a deep and dangerous change in values  challenging God and His lawful creation .

As we now know (we did not long ago ) if we do not let the earth breath, and have sometime to renew it self ,it can no longer produce anything at all ,  and if left too long will be permanently damaged .

I thought that This made a little Parable, for those countries who have taken in so many refugrees and immigrants,  and have produced so much of the worlds wealth and spiritual energy .

" Time,   for a Fallow Season " !!   

[OldSchool2]

17 hours ago, Thallasa said:

He certainly was very frank and probably rather rude ,but in order to have the kind of energy which is needed to counter endless lies,and the very dangerous times we are living in,  you are going to get a bit of a rough tough kind - who is now learning  how to become a statesman .

A statesman is defined someone "who is a respected leader in national or international affairs," while a politician can be anyone active in party politics to "a schemer who tries to gain advantage in an organization in sly or underhanded ways."

I don't think statesmen thoughtlessly sign executive orders and then dismiss any chaos they cause after their signed, even if the MSM is blatantly exaggerating that chaos.

[OldSchool2]

15 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The airports are a mess. This has caused chaos.

Case in point, from the Connecticut Post:

"As he sat in an immigration holding room, Dr. Tarek Alasil ran a mental checklist of worst-case scenarios.

"The Yale University ophthalmology resident said he wondered how long he would be separated from his wife and two American-born children. Would he be forced to return to his native Allepo in Syria, where the atrocities of a civil war have been compared to the Holocaust? Would it short-circuit his pending U.S. citizenship application?

"Alasil, 35, cut short a medical mission treating indigent cataract patients in the Bahamas on Saturday on the advice of Yale colleagues and immigration lawyers who urged him to return to Connecticut immediately.

"Despite having a green card and being married to a U.S. citizen, Alasil was detained by customs agents carrying out an executive order from President Donald Trump. The controversial ban made no distinction from permanent residents such as Alasil, a resident of Orange, with visitors from seven predominantly Muslim, countries. It sparked widespread protests at major U.S. airports Saturday and Sunday...."

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/Yale-doctor-entangled-in-Trump-s-immigration-net-10892773.php

A weekend is probably the worst time to be stuck in an airport in chaos. Although Alasil missed his flight, he was cleared to book anothera few hours later.

[heyvavhey]

 

Would anyone like to hear how many times I've suffered long delays because of terrorists, and their potential harm?

It once took 55 hours to get home from Berlin...that's just one time.

 

 

Do you know that I have to suffer being treated like a criminal when I go through an airport (because of them) since 2001?

 

 

 

 

 

[other one]

wait till your wife's carry on luggage sets off the explosives detector in the xray machine.......   twice. it was a good thing we showed up at the airport three hours early or we would have missed our flight and not got to leave for two days for the planes were sold out.

[MorningGlory]

13 hours ago, just_abc said:

 

Yes.  I think I initially thought it was going to be a temporary halt on issuing new visas.  But apparently even those with pre-existing visas might be banned ?

 

 

The USA has the legal right to allow or disallow anyone into its country.  That is the right of the USA.

But I think the USA [and other countries too] also want people to enter their countries legally and by following all the rules....  In many countries around the world it is not easy to get a USA visa.  There are a lot of requirements or hoops to jump through {figuratively speaking}.  It costs money just to apply for a USA visa {with no gurantee one would actually succeed}.  It takes time and effort too..  And even after getting that visa.. to visit the USA one would still need a plane ticket etc.. make travel and living arrangements etc. 

If someone or a family.. tried to follow all the rules.. went through all the difficult process.. spent money time effort.. made arrangements..  bought a plane ticket.. arrived in the USA.. and then were told the USA had *suddenly* decided to change its mind .... how are they supposed to feel?  ....Who is going to reinburse them for all the money that they spent etc?

While it might not have been the intention..  it can seem like penalising those who actually tried to obey the law and all the rules and do things the right way......

 

Just an outsider's personal opinion that's all. 

Thanks.     

 

I know it looks that way but the U.S. HAS to get a handle on people coming into our country.  I believe the green card holders and valid visa holders will be allowed in after more screening.  It's a shame they have been caught in the middle of this but their numbers are small, like a little over a hundred people, compared to the 350,000 people that came in on the same day.  The world is being shown a new, much stronger leader and I know it's a bit of a shock.  It will work out and I have faith in that.