How do you view Daniel 2

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

And all the "conservative commentators" are wrong. Not RRE. Not EU. Not UN. Islam, the radical form in ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, Taliban, Boko Haram, etc. The beast will rise from the area of ancient Mesopotamia from the ruins of Babylon in the lineage of the ancient Grecian Empire, Seleucid and Antiochus IV. Rome has no part in this prophecy.

It is a fact, I believe,  the Byzantine empire was the Eastern leg of the Roman Empire, at least for a while, but continued on after Rome's collapse.  We might say then, the commentators did have one leg to stand on. And the Seleucid dynasty did hold some of the same land area before Rome conquered all. In fact, some of the same land area was held by Babylon, then by Medo-persia, then by Alexander, then by Seleucid, then finally by Rome, and then by the Byzantine empire.

 

[Ezra]

9 hours ago, Diaste said:

Rome has no part in this prophecy.

Since Rome is clearly iron in that prophecy, iron and clay must consist of something coming out of the Roman Empire.  It is that simple.

[Daniel 11:36]

It is simple. but not what you think

The fourth beast kingdom from Daniel's perspective is altogether diferent

The prophecies jump from the end of the 69th week decreed ..... to the end of this present age .... to the beginning of the 70th week still pending

Here is an example: Daniel 11:21-35 [past] .... 11:36 [Future]

All of the prophecies do the same thing

From the Lord's cutting off .... to the beginning of the 70th

.... an Islamic intransigence against the Lord

Many have missed this simple truth

 

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, iamlamad said:

It is a fact, I believe,  the Byzantine empire was the Eastern leg of the Roman Empire, at least for a while, but continued on after Rome's collapse.  We might say then, the commentators did have one leg to stand on. And the Seleucid dynasty did hold some of the same land area before Rome conquered all. In fact, some of the same land area was held by Babylon, then by Medo-persia, then by Alexander, then by Seleucid, then finally by Rome, and then by the Byzantine empire.

 

Even if it's true that Rome and the Seleucid Empire ruled some of the same land area, Rome never ruled further south than Asia Minor nor further east than the Levant.

Scripture relates the rise of the beast follows the Seleucid kings from Antiochus IV to the willful king, which is the beast, through the great horn, the four notable ones and the little horn in Dan 8, and the succession of Kings in Dan 11. That succession begins with the kings who arise in Persia after Darius, which we know is the entire Mideast with the seat of power in Babylon, and continues with the rise of kings in the region after Alexander takes over, and continues to the willful king, beast, at the end of the age. A main theme here is the rule of the region from Babylon. Obviously Babylon is a ruin today but the region still exists and the beast is coming from that same region. 

There is no hint of a Roman empire.

[Diaste]

13 hours ago, Ezra said:

Since Rome is clearly iron in that prophecy, iron and clay must consist of something coming out of the Roman Empire.  It is that simple.

By what line of rationale is Rome clearly iron in the Dan 2 prophecy? The little horn comes from one of the four notable ones in Dan 8. The  four notable ones arise from the great horn which was broken after the goat defeated the ram. So the line goes thus: Medo-Persia, Greece, the Four notable ones (Greece, Egypt, Asia Minor, and the Mideast), and the little horn comes from one of the generals, represented by the four horns, that ruled the above mentioned areas. No Rome. Mideast. Babylon. Iraq. Syria. These are the places to look for the rise of the beast, not Europe. And in fact the beast and his kingdom are active right now.

[Diaste]

4 hours ago, eileenhat said:

A fulfillment in real time could take several different avenues.

If indeed The Holy Roman Empire still exist and is the Daniel 2 prophecy and God sent me a vision of 'ten toes' being severed ....then a monetary change would be in effect and should be discernable within the next 2 years, 3 months (until the end of the 'time of Jacob's troubles', April 23rd, 2019....thread about deleted by moderators).

Anything from a step down of the Pope with no replacement, to Brussels* severing all ties to the money lenders out of Rome (might see a restriction in money lending practices out of that).

*I say 'Brussels' because once God showed me that is where all 'the money lending' action was.  It is where EMMI is located too.  Hard to located any intel on EMMI (mmm).  All you find is they regulate the Euro.

Here in the USA could see the collapse of the privately owned (Rothschild) Federal Reserve system.

A wait and see attitude here.

 

Well, you keep your eye on the money and I'll look for the fulfillment of prophecy. I don't see anything you're talking about in scripture. So I would assume everything you're posting is extra-biblical, and personal. 

[Bible_Gazer]

On 2/19/2017 at 9:33 PM, ProphecyKid said:

So is there a connection between Daniel 2, Daniel 7 and Rev 13?

and 17

My understanding is, the Iron Kingdom has stretch itself through a long period of time and is to be revived again in power.

The Iron Kingdom is the 4th and it does not mention a 5th, its still the Iron Kingdom when it became weak being mix with the clay.

This is when the ten toe kingdom developed and they did not stay together forever with the HRCC. 

So Daniel 2 the Iron Kingdom and Dan.7  4th beast and Rev.13 1st beast are the same and is history - 1,260 years on the Iron and clay  538 - 1798 HRCC

Rev. 13 2nd beasts is the same in Rev. 17 beast, this still has Iron in it because it has been healed -revived.

Now some of those country that use to be the ten kingdoms during the dark ages may be Islam now, then they may join in with the iron for the purpose of controlling Israel with in mind to destroy them. 

So the Iron Kingdom existed from Caesars to the HRCC and  going up to our time. That's over 2,000 years. 

It was strong and it got weaker and then it got wounded and is going to be healed when the Ten kings in our time give its power to it.

Its to be the last Kingdom against Israel, showing in Dan.2 the stone sets Israel free. No other Gentiles Kingdom will rule over Israel again.

  

 

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Even if it's true that Rome and the Seleucid Empire ruled some of the same land area, Rome never ruled further south than Asia Minor nor further east than the Levant.

Scripture relates the rise of the beast follows the Seleucid kings from Antiochus IV to the willful king, which is the beast, through the great horn, the four notable ones and the little horn in Dan 8, and the succession of Kings in Dan 11. That succession begins with the kings who arise in Persia after Darius, which we know is the entire Mideast with the seat of power in Babylon, and continues with the rise of kings in the region after Alexander takes over, and continues to the willful king, beast, at the end of the age. A main theme here is the rule of the region from Babylon. Obviously Babylon is a ruin today but the region still exists and the beast is coming from that same region. 

There is no hint of a Roman empire.

Who controlled Israel when Jesus lived on earth?

[Daniel 11:36]

There is no hint of a "Roman Empire" at all

The visions move from the end of Antiochus IV, the last king of the Seleucid rule, to the end time kingdom of the beast [Daniel 11:21-35 .... Daniel 11:36-45; 12:7]

This is because the Lord was cut off at the ending of the 69th week, and He does not appear again until the 70th which is still pending

Many translators and others do not believe this and so they try to create a false Roman Empire out of the prophecies in a number of ways

The man who sees this knows that the Lord's inaction during the time of about 2000 years is intentional .... the 70th week decreed for Israel is coming

All of what is written for future events in scripture is confined to this next and coming time of the 70th week decreed principally for Israel 

 

[Diaste]

23 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Who controlled Israel when Jesus lived on earth?

I understand the question but it's a narrow view. Jews actually controlled Israel at the time of Jesus. The Herods were Israeli and did as they pleased. In fact, Herod was a friend of top Roman leadership and ruled without interference from Rome.  Religion ruled in 1st century Israel as well.  In answer to your question then Jews ruled Israel at the time of Jesus, both secular and religious. 

What you are trying to prove is that because Rome ruled Israel then, it will rule Israel later. Not true and I can prove it from scripture. Please refrain from rhetorical arguments or loaded or leading questions in the future. They do nothing to further understanding.