Do all Babies go to heaven? YES

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10 hours ago, Patrick21 said:

Sorry.  To be on the safe side, I have decided to refrain from expressing my perspective or sharing knowledge so as to avoid offending anyone going forward.  So, this won't happen again.

You are free to share your perspective and to enjoin a discussion. Please do so while honoring your agreement made when you joined.

 

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2 minutes ago, Patrick21 said:

Thanks, but I'll stick to asking questions and learning from others.  I'm not going to dispute anything here ever again, no matter what is said.  I'll leave that to others.  Thanks again. 

OK. I hope you are blessed while taking part in Worthy.

[angels4u]

2 minutes ago, Patrick21 said:

Thanks, but I'll stick to asking questions and learning from others.  I'm not going to dispute anything here ever again, no matter what is said.  I'll leave that to others.  Thanks again. 

Patrick,I noticed that you're here to learn and to ask questions,just be careful not to post anything personal against somebody ,that might get you in trouble,please keep asking questions

[JohnD]

On 11/2/2021 at 5:49 AM, Patrick21 said:

These were my thoughts exactly.  This thread is up to 13 pages and I'm surprised nobody responded to your logical analysis.  

If all dead babies automatically go to Heaven, then it would seem a blessing to die as a baby.  

But some adults who end up in Hell would have ended up instead in Heaven if only another had murdered them as an infant???

This seeming paradox causes me to wonder if, in the end, Jesus saves everyone.  

 

Ah, but John 3:18 negates universalism.

1 Timothy 4:10 and 1 John 2:2 tempered by John 3:18 shows that everyone has the [potential] to be saved but not all are saved. Believers are saved. Unbelievers are condemned already.

The cross of Christ is the focal point.

And with God's omniscience, when it is factored in to the death of people before they have a chance to believe... at least in my humble opinion*,  God can see if they would have believed had they been given the chance. Conversely, I believe*, none in all history have perished eternally who would not have rejected the Lord Jesus Christ anyway. God is the Great Orchestrator.

* "my opinion / my belief" does not mean it is fact or that I am claiming it is absolutely true, it is simply what I personally think / feel / believe.

The real tragedy, IMHO*, is there are millions if not billions of people who were born and end up in hell who never even had to be born, except that Christians tend not to take our ministries as seriously as we should.

My point is, if there is a certain set number of people who are to be saved throughout all history (the time of the Gentiles, if you will), and if we evangelized the hell out of the world exponentially as we should have been doing  (Matthew 28:19-20) with each one of us as priests (Revelation 1:6 Revelation 5:10 1 Peter 2:3-9) with ministries of our own (1 Corinthians 12:12-30) perhaps the Great Orchestrator could have placed all who would believe in a much closer generational proximity (say the first two or three centuries).

Instead, we are worldly. We fear reprisal. We fear someone else knows more about what they believe than we do (and they might trip us up). ← that is only because we haven't bothered to learn the truth because we actually do believe the truth. We haven't studied the Bible in earnest. We've prioritized the things of life and lifestyle above our calling and ministry. We want to get along with everybody. And we allow ourselves to be taught we are only laity and not priests of God in Christ. That way we can pass the buck on to the "payed believers."

https://www.worldometers.info/      ← this is how many are being born and are dying every second of every day.

[Thornbird]

On 3/27/2017 at 11:58 AM, simplejeff said:

There is one or more reference by YHWH to unclean children (any age?  perhaps) ...... in HIS WORD.

There is likewise some support that babies go to heaven,  and that they don't,  in HIS WORD. 

A lot of people seem to think it is already known or determined one way or the other.(but not by HIS WORD).

“Blessed (be) the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly (places) in Christ: even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blemish before him in love: having foreordained us unto adoption as sons through Jesus Christ unto himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, which he freely bestowed on us in the Beloved.” (Ephesians 1:3-6) ASV

 

“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began, but is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel.” (2 Timothy 1:9-10) KJV

“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.” (Revelation 17:8)

[Thornbird]

On 3/20/2017 at 12:23 PM, woundeddog said:

Well, another way to look at the abortion matter is that it insures babies return to God and don't have to navigate this world of sin after they, once born, would have as sinners. Whose fate, salvation,damnation, God only knows.

 

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On 12/6/2021 at 8:13 PM, Thornbird said:

Well, another way to look at the abortion matter is that it insures babies return to God and don't have to navigate this world of sin after they, once born, would have as sinners. Whose fate, salvation,damnation, God only knows.

Who gives you the right to make that decision?

[MrBear]

I think the nail was hit on the head when stated infants are too young to decide sin from righteousness 

Some actually will take it farther as the age of 20 being the age of discernment as when the tribes were counted in the book of Numbers all men were counted over the age of 20 and above

But infants I do not have a doubt unlike the RCC that teaches all of us are born into sin and an infant must be baptized because he/ she is a sinner, my own belief is that infants can’t make that choice to sin on their own and will certainly go to the Father

SHALOM❤️

[Mama Etna]

No one has the right to decide that a child shouldn't be born and die instead.  Abortion is an abomination.

[MrBear]

Deuteronomy 18:10

No one among you is to make his son or daughter pass through the fire, practice divination, tell fortunes, interpret omens, practice sorcery, 

the world can change the name DEMON to SPIRIT GUIDE

and witches and sorcerers to CHANNELERS OR MEDIUMS

 to make it sound more pleasing and acceptable but abortion is just another name for child sacrifice 

my ex got one when I was younger I even worked for planned parenthood I saw what it did to these people that have to live with those decisions, it’s haunting to some and to others it’s just a form of birth control 

 

in my case I never knew it took place until it was done, she said she had a cist, but I couldn’t support a child I was lost in lawlessness even so it is troubling how the world changes things to ‘fit’ it’s corrupted ways into making it acceptable.. sad really, there are plenty of good people that want kids out in this world

SHALOM❤️