whos advice to take

[enoob57]

The only righteous One gave Himself so that we might live... the answer becomes clear when going through that gate!

[simplejeff]

7 hours ago, missmuffet said:

I point in the threads is that if you marry the right person to begin with you will not have those problems.

This is simply truth, yes.   At least a lot of major difficulties are avoided ,  by obeying God. (and marrying the right person instead of the wrong person) ....

35 minutes ago, Running Gator said:

People are human, and humans sin and make mistakes.  

So?  If someone marries the wrong person,  they are in for a lifetime of disobedience and dissension and many problems, seen and unseen,  spiritual and mental and etc etc etc ....

If they marry the right person,   their marriage will be blessed,  even though with or through many difficulties, God Willing....  God's Way....

22 minutes ago, creativemechanic said:

That's  pretty naive.  People change including Christians 

But it is best not to marry a bad egg to start with,   thinking that somehow it might still make a good omelett (marriage life).....

[creativemechanic]

4 minutes ago, simplejeff said:

This is simply truth, yes.   At least a lot of major difficulties are avoided ,  by obeying God. (and marrying the right person instead of the wrong person) ....

So?  If someone marries the wrong person,  they are in for a lifetime of disobedience and dissension and many problems, seen and unseen,  spiritual and mental and etc etc etc ....

If they marry the right person,   their marriage will be blessed,  even though with or through many difficulties, God Willing....  God's Way....

But it is best not to marry a bad egg to start with,   thinking that somehow it might still make a good omelett (marriage life).....

Noones denying tht u know. Just its pretty unrealisticto think that  a God blessed marriage cant possibly have something like that happen

[simplejeff]

Best to start off BLESSED instead of CURSED.

http://www.worthychristianlibrary.com/books/ab-simpson/standing-on-faith/page/2/

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This is the spirit of modern religious culture. “Don’t go too far! Don’t be extreme! Don’t be Puritanical! Go easy! Be liberal!” In other words: “Meet the world halfway. Marry that scoundrel to save him. Take that saloon-keeper into the church because you can make good use of his money. Put that brazen-faced woman up in the choir because she will draw her theatrical set to hear her sing. Go to the theater and the play with your husband, to get him to go to church with you on Sunday.”

Nonsense! In the first place, in such an unequal contest on the enemy’s ground the devil will always get the best of you. Instead of being saved, the husband will drag to his level the woman that ventured on forbidden ground. Instead of bringing her set under the influence of religion, the operatic singer will bring the church to the level of her set, and turn it into a clubhouse and a concert-room. The saloon-keeper’s money will moderate the tone of the preaching, so that it will be a comfort unto Sodom, so that vice and sin can sit unchecked, and even count itself the very buttress and pillar of the holy Cause of Christ...." ... ... ...

[LadyKay]

11 hours ago, missmuffet said:

If God is in the drivers seat of their marriage and if they are both very committed to God they will not have those kind of problems. They will have some problems because no marriage is perfect but their marriage will be solid with God.

Well something happen. I don't know what. This was back when I was a teen in the youth group. Both of them worked with us teens. Both would give testimonies about being a Christian. Then one day, the husband came to the youth group meeting and told us his wife had been cheating on him and that they were getting a divorce.  That's the story. 

[LadyKay]

2 hours ago, Running Gator said:

Thanks for making it bigger.   This is a situation where neither pieces of advice are wrong, and while I do not want to be a pain, we don't have the information to know which is the better advice.  

I agree as well. 

[Neighbor]

Why even Jimmy Carter sinned in  his heart. That's is his confession. In that he was a smart man. He knew he was short of perfection.

What a man or woman  thinks,  he or she  has done.  So get over perfection being the standard for acceptance of each other. Anyone that sets themselves up so high they can only accept perfection in others or reject them, need heed the advice of Paul, and also be as he was- Do not burden another with the impossible, stay single.

There simply is no one universal answer  to what is needed in each marriage.  In some troubled marriage situations there may be danger to self and children involved. There may be other serious issues that make a reconciliation folly in a damaged marital relaionship.

 Only a fool believes  they have no problems in marriage. It is always a work in need of doing. The work of it is never done. Never! And it does divide the attention, just as God had Paul share in his advice. It is less than perfect  to begin with.  

 God knows and is sovereign in all these matters. He is omnipresent and  omnipotent. Rely on His grace and mercy, be holy as He is Holy is the instruction, but don't be so stupid as to think  self  to be free of great turmoil especially in marriage because  of knowing God in the heart.  If perfection is the standard for any marriage. It will fail, it must. For attention to marriage in off  itself divides the attention off God in each member of the marriage.

 A review of  Pauls' answers inspired of God to the individuals so concerned they had asked of him some advice:

From 1 Corintians 7:

"Now concerning the matters about which you wrote: “It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.”  But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband. The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.  For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.  Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.

 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single, as I am. But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion

To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband  (but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.

 To the rest I say (I, not the Lord) that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her.  If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him.  For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.  But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Only let each person lead the life that the Lord has assigned to him, and to which God has called him. This is my rule in all the churches."

Live as You Are Called

 

I find it interesting that my English language transliteration  of the opening by Paul is in quotations, as though it is not Paul writing this as  his words, but instead his quoting the words of the writers to him from the church at Corinth. If Paul is quoting the writers at the church at Corinth then the words following, penned for him or by him, are his response, and really a correction of that  premise statement made  by the writers of the inquiry from the church in the name of the church to Paul.

Paul by permission and by inspiration gives more latitude than the church itself evidently had been doing, is my impression. And I would guess  the church had received many challenges about to the point. They were seeking confirmation and support from Paul, which he did not give. Instead he fleshed out the manner of love grace and mercy of God that each are to also share of and adhere to, within each person.

 

Edited May 30, 2017 by Neighbor

[appy]

The answer creative mechanic was looking for is the advice after the fact.

In the last pane, the wife is given two different conflicting advice as to what she should do. One advises she end the marriage right then and there, the other considers reconciliation. When it isn't us who is experiencing such a moment it is easier said than done on how to deal with infidelity. There is the assumption that if both parties were grounded in Gods word, this would not of happened. Or there is the assumption that one party was unequally yoked. While both of these scenario's can be true. Neither councils out temptation. Jesus said in the gospels that temptations were inevitable. While the goal is to not give in to temptation. It happens in spite of our best efforts to not give in. King David is I think a good example of this. He was a man after God's own heart, yet fully aware that Bathsheba was off limits he took her anyway.

While reconciliation is the ideal advice to follow.   It isn't always that simple. This kind of betrayal cuts deep and has already severed the relationship. Restoration requires both parties to come together willingly to be reconciled. And both willingly working towards reconciliation and healing. If one party is unwilling, the marriage can not be repaired.

[missmuffet]

6 hours ago, Running Gator said:

People are human, and humans sin and make mistakes.  

Yes, but God gave us common sense and eyes and ears. We suffer the consequence of our actions and choices.

[Running Gator]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, but God gave us common sense and eyes and ears. We suffer the consequence of our actions and choices.

Yes, God did give us eyes and ears.  And yet we all fall short in different ways.  

Common sense on the other hand is anything but common