Revelation, Sequenced by the Actual Events

[Keras]

11 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

 Like you said, very soon we will all see. I believe it will be ISRAEL living in Israel. But since most of the world will have either been raptured to heaven or died, there will be very few people in their natural bodies to repopulate the earth. Mostly my guess is it will be ISRAEL - those descendants of Jacob that survived. Didn't God say the time would come when seven women would cling to one man? Most of the men alive today will be gone. There will be few men left alive to begin the Millennial reign.

Who is Israel? Cannot be just the Jews and Romans 9:27 says only a remnant of them will be saved.

Wanna be one of those few men, do you?

[iamlamad]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Though a lot of what you say is true, a lot of what you say misses the mark. If I die tomorrow I will die a Christian and an American. That will never change. Just because Israel goes through the 70th week, which God designed for them, you try and suggest that makes them different, even though I have clearly demonstrated that they will have to come to God via the blood of Jesus Christ, something you just can't comprehend for some reason. 

Israel is blinded IN PART until the time of he Gentiles is OVER.....That is not that hard to understand.

Good Point, Revelation Man. Even though the wall of division between Jew and Gentile was torn down, that was in the realm of the Spirit. Physically speaking, I am 100% Gentile. And when I die - of course if the rapture does not come first - I will die as a Gentile American. But at that moment I will be escorted into heaven as a part of the body of Christ.

AT this same time, there are millions who are descendants of Jacob, with the DNA to prove it. Most are blinded. We should be praying that they would SEE.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Who is Israel? Cannot be just the Jews and Romans 9:27 says only a remnant of them will be saved.

Wanna be one of those few men, do you?

Try looking on a map. Look at a streaming video of the wailing wall. See all those with funny hats?  They are ISRAEL. Most of them will have DNA to prove it.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

Just a few errors here.

God did say we are not appointed to His wrath, but He did not say He would remove us from the earth to avoid it. Many prophesies says He will protect us during it.

You are right that the Sixth Seal is the next prophesied event we can expect. It will change the world, but we Christians look forward to a blessed future, as we all live in the holy Land.  That is where we are, as described in Revelation 7:9-14, come thru the great devastation of the Sixth Seal. It is sheer wishful thinking that there will be a rapture then, 1 Thess 5:1-11 does not even hint of such a thing. It says we must put on the breastplate of faith and the helmet of salvation and stand strong when these things happen.

Well, agreement with one out of two is not bad for these forums!  Perhaps you could spend a little more time on John 14. Did you ever wonder where Jesus will be during the 70th week? In case you missed it - WE will be with Him.

[Keras]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Try looking on a map. Look at a streaming video of the wailing wall. See all those with funny hats?  They are ISRAEL. Most of them will have DNA to prove it.

The Jews  wrongly call themselves the State of Israel. Should be the State of Judah. Although they are 2 of the tribes of Israel, the do not represent the other 10, who are lost to history, but now mostly comprise the Christian nations.

The true Christian Ecclesia is the Israel of God:

Those believers who love the Lord and keep His commandments, that is: the true Christian Church are designated by God to be Israelites. The New Testament writings are clear: there is only one Israel, only one Church, only one elect, whether they be Jew or Gentile by birth.

1/ Israel, the chosen people of God: Exodus 15:13, Deuteronomy 33:3, Ezra 3:11

    Christians, chosen of God: Romans 9:25, Ephesians 5:1, Col. 3:12, 1 John 3:1, Rev. 7:9   

2/ Israel, the children of God: Deut. 14:1, Isaiah 1:2-4, Isaiah 63:8, Hosea 11:1

     Christians, the children of God: John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16, Galatians 4:5-7, 1 John 3:1    

3/ Israel, the scattered sheep of God: Psalm 78:52, Isaiah 40:11, Jer. 23:1-4, Ezekiel 34:12

     Christians, His sheep: among the nations: John 10:14-16, Hebrews 13:20, 1 Peter 2:25

4/ Israel, God’s household: Hebrews 3:5, 1 Chronicles 29:14-18

     Christians are God’s household: Hebrews 3:6, Hebrews 10:20-21, I Timothy 3:15, 1 Cor.3:9

5/ Israel are the priests of God: Exodus 19:6, Deuteronomy 27:9

     Christians are the priests of God: Isaiah 66:21, 1 Peter 2:5-9, Rev. 1:6, Revelation 5:10

6/ Israel is the bride of God: Isaiah 54:5-6, Jeremiah 2:2, Ezekiel 16:32, Hosea 1:2

     Christians are the bride of Christ: Isaiah 62:4-5, 2 Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:29-32

7/ Israel is the vine and the olive tree: Isaiah 5:7, Hosea 9:10, Hosea 14:6-7

     Christians are the vine and the olive: Luke 20:16, Romans 11:24

8/ Israelites are the circumcised: Genesis 17:9-14, Judges 15:18

     Christians are the ‘circumcised’: Romans 2:25-29, Philippians 3:3, Col. 2:11

9/ Israelites are the children of Abraham:  2 Chronicles 20:7, Psalms 105:5-6, Isaiah 41:8

     Christians are the spiritual children of Abraham: Romans 4:13-18, Gal. 3:7& 29, John 4:23

10/ The Covenant is with Israel: Deut. 4:31, 2 Kings 17:34-36, Psalms 105:7-10

      The New Covenant is with Christians: 1 Corinthians 11:25, Hebrews 8:6-10, Ezekiel 34:25

 

The above 10 proofs totally negate any argument that the Church and Israel are 2 separate entities. That premise is held and promoted by the pre-trib rapture exponents, who must have 2 groups; one removed to heaven, [themselves] and the Jews, [Israel] who remain on earth to face the Great Tribulation.

The truth is proven by how it is true Christian believers of every tribe [of Israel], nation and language: Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9, who gather in the holy Land soon after the Sixth Seal judgement/punishment of the nations. Habakkuk 3:12 They will be assigned to an appropriate Israelite tribe, according to each family’s characteristics. Proved by Isaiah 66:21 Then the 144,000 will be selected, 12,000 from each tribe, to go out and proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. Revelation 14:1-7, Isaiah 66:19

This new nation in the Middle East, will be called Beulah; Isaiah 62:1-5 They will live in peace and prosperity and when a large army comes down from the North, God will destroy them. Ezekiel 38-39, Joel 2:20

Sometime later, the President of the One World Government will come to Beulah and convince ‘many’ of them to sign a seven year treaty of peace. Daniel 11:27, Isaiah 28:14-15 This marks the commencement of the final seven years of this age and is the 70^th year of Daniel 9:24, then at the mid-point, the O.W.G. dictator will invade and conquer Beulah. Zech. 14:1-2, Daniel 11:30-32, which triggers the Great Tribulation of the seven Trumpet and seven Bowl punishments. Rev. 12:7-13 But those Israelites who ‘faithful to their God’, will be taken to a place of safety, as described in Revelation 12:14. Then at the Return of Jesus, those faithful ones, the righteous ‘woman’ of Christian Israel will experience a ‘rapture’ as they are gathered by the Lord’s angels. Matthew 24:31 They will join the resurrected saints and will enjoy the great blessings of the Millennium. Isaiah 65:17-25     [79 scriptures ]

                                                                                              

[Keras]

3 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Well, agreement with one out of two is not bad for these forums!  Perhaps you could spend a little more time on John 14. Did you ever wonder where Jesus will be during the 70th week? In case you missed it - WE will be with Him.

Jesus does not Return to the earth until the 70th Week is over. He Returns accompanied by the angelic army of heaven.

Unless you can post proof of your unbelievable assertion that anyone goes to live in heaven, I will continue to refute you.

[WholeyGod'schild]

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Those who flee and the Beheaded (Rev. 20:4) will reign with God 1000 years. I agree. I think maybe the Holy Spirit will clean it up, He destroys them, but that's just a guess, they will have Jesus living with them, and this planet will need rehabilitating quickly. Have you ever dissected Matthew 24 brother? Matthew 24 1-6 is the Temple/Jerusalem destruction, 7-13 is the 2000 year period between 70 AD and the Rapture (34-42 is, IMHO, the Rapture) 14-27 is the Tribulation period, 28-31 is the Second Coming, 32-34 is the parable of the Fig Tree. The reason I mention this is Jesus is warning Israel in like 21-27 not to come out of their "Safe Place" where the false prophet and ant-christ are trying to get them to "come to the desert or the Secret Chambers", Jesus them tells them where to look for him at, Look in the Eastern Skies, Immediately after the Tribulation of those days. In other words Jesus has warned them, do not fall for the lies of the anti-christ and false prophet. So he has warned the ones to flee what to look for. Amen.

this is today, happening now.

⁹ “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. ¹⁰ At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, ¹¹ and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. ¹² Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, ¹³ but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. ¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

³⁶ “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,^[f] but only the Father. ³⁷ As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. ³⁸ For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; ³⁹ and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

we are, have been living this passage for right at 100years now, and maybe longer as unseen/reported events. so the day/hour can and should be any moment from here on out. many prophecies have been fulfilled in the last 70 years and signs and wonders laying out that correlate to all of the above and must happen first before the lords return. I can't think of anymore prophecies that need to happen before the rapture(the twigs are getting tender, the leaves are coming out). I believe the tribulation (time of trouble and affliction)has been going on for a long time. when the church is raptured we will have just started or will start the great tribulation the beginning of the end.

18 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, it seems subtle, but you miss something here. Jesus never went unto any of these Gentiles, they came to him. He told the Woman she was a Dog, and to go away, but she PERSISTED, thus via great faith Jesus rewarded her. Likewise the Centurion came to Jesus and told Jesus, just say the word and it will be done. Then we have the Woman at the well, she also came unto Jesus. Like I stated, it was not his ministry, but that doesn't mean he was not dying for them also, or did not have compassion for them, but his ministry was to Israel only. Paul was given the ministry to the Gentiles. 

you obviously willfully ignored my post and passage I posted showing you Jesus went to the Samaritans.

now if you feel like calling God's plan and actions a mistake, well sir that is on you. I myself believe all things ordained by God, and told to Jesus to do was part of a plan and was purposeful.

I will post again what I said this time read the passage, and I will post the full passage for you to read and ponder, then you tell me if I am missing something or are you the one missing something not so subtle. you also will notice for some reason all the disciples went to town not one stayed with Jesus. it took 12 people to go get food? maybe it has to do with the disciples known reaction to Jesus when he encounters a person or people that they think he shouldn't even talk to let alone strike up a conversation and ask for them to do something for him. God knows and has a plan like it or not, it may not agree, or line up with our views/perceptions, but he is God, he is sovereign, his actions are yes and amen! 

now please read this thoroughly.

Also look at the woman at the well,  in John 4 he talks with her and brings salvation to her. If he was planning on bringing salvation to the Jews alone, the conversation would have never happened, unless you Believe Jesus made a mistake or didn't have a plan that was unfolding before the readers eyes. then it progresses to other Samaritans receiving his living water.

Now he had to go through Samaria. ⁵ So he came to a town in Samaria called Sychar, near the plot of ground Jacob had given to his son Joseph. ⁶ Jacob’s well was there, and Jesus, tired as he was from the journey, sat down by the well. It was about noon.

⁷ When a Samaritan woman came to draw water, Jesus said to her, “Will you give me a drink?” ⁸ (His disciples had gone into the town to buy food.)

⁹ The Samaritan woman said to him, “You are a Jew and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink?” (For Jews do not associate with Samaritans.^[a])

¹⁰ Jesus answered her, “If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.”

¹¹ “Sir,” the woman said, “you have nothing to draw with and the well is deep. Where can you get this living water? ¹² Are you greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well and drank from it himself, as did also his sons and his livestock?”

¹³ Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, ¹⁴ but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.”

¹⁵ The woman said to him, “Sir, give me this water so that I won’t get thirsty and have to keep coming here to draw water.”

¹⁶ He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”

¹⁷ “I have no husband,” she replied.

Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. ¹⁸ The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”

¹⁹ “Sir,” the woman said, “I can see that you are a prophet. ²⁰ Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem.”

²¹ “Woman,” Jesus replied, “believe me, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. ²² You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. ²³ Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. ²⁴ God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

²⁵ The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

²⁶ Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”

The Disciples Rejoin Jesus

²⁷ Just then his disciples returned and were surprised to find him talking with a woman. But no one asked, “What do you want?” or “Why are you talking with her?”

²⁸ Then, leaving her water jar, the woman went back to the town and said to the people, ²⁹ “Come, see a man who told me everything I ever did. Could this be the Messiah?” ³⁰ They came out of the town and made their way toward him.

³¹ Meanwhile his disciples urged him, “Rabbi, eat something.”

³² But he said to them, “I have food to eat that you know nothing about.”

³³ Then his disciples said to each other, “Could someone have brought him food?”

³⁴ “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. ³⁵ Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. ³⁶ Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. ³⁷ Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. ³⁸ I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”

Many Samaritans Believe

³⁹ Many of the Samaritans from that town believed in him because of the woman’s testimony, “He told me everything I ever did.” ⁴⁰ So when the Samaritans came to him, they urged him to stay with them, and he stayed two days. ⁴¹ And because of his words many more became believers.

⁴² They said to the woman, “We no longer believe just because of what you said; now we have heard for ourselves, and we know that this man really is the Savior of the world.”

Be blessed

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Keras said:

We will soon see just who it is that has been deceived.

The verses that you think are about a rapture, do not say that God will take people to heaven at all. Paul does not 'clearly explain' a rapture removal to heaven. What he does make clear, is that there is only one people of God and only a remnant of Israel [the Jews] will be saved. Romans 9:27

Only a remnant of Gentiles will be Saved also!! Meaning that All do not accept Jesus Christ. Just because the word remnant is used in Romans doesn't mean its the same remnant used in Rev. 12. Paul does clearly explain the Rapture, that's why most of Christendom understand it.

 

11 hours ago, Keras said:

Why I 'don't want to hear' the rapture, is not because I don't like the idea, but because I know what God has actually planned for His people. How we Christians will all be gathered and settled into all of the holy Land, where we live in peace and prosperity. Isaiah 62:1-5, Isaiah 35:1-10, Rev 7:9

You confuse Israel's fate (Jacobs "JACOB MEANS ISRAEL" Trouble) with the Churches fate. That on you, not the Scriptures.

[Revelation Man]

46 minutes ago, WholeyGod'schild said:

this is today, happening now.

⁹ “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. ¹⁰ At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, ¹¹ and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. ¹² Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, ¹³ but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. ¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Exactly, except verse 9 was IMHO, the Disciples predictions of being Martyred, not saying that others don't follow and many are happening to Christians still today in the Muslim countries. But of course Jesus started by preparing the Disciples with their coming fate.Another KEY I forgot to add, Matthew 24 brings up three different instances of false christs/false prophets. One speaking about the chosen Messiahs BROUGHT FORTH before the 70 AD Massacre, the Pharisees and Religious leaders were looking for their Conquering Messiah, and since they saw (correctly) that Rome was the Fourth Beast, they were looking for the coming LITTLE HORN, they had no idea he would come 2000 years later. So they PROPPED UP, false messiahs, and thus Jesus' prophecy came true concerning the Pharisees/Religious leaders........John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.........So this was fulfilled just before 70 AD.

Then the false prophets mentioned in verse 9 is the Jim Jones/ADA Church etc. etc. for 2000 years. Then the verse 24 mention is the REAL False Prophet and false christ, because the preform Miracles and such, at the End Times. 

1 hour ago, WholeyGod'schild said:

³⁶ “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,^[f] but only the Father. ³⁷ As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. ³⁸ For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; ³⁹ and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

we are, have been living this passage for right at 100years now, and maybe longer as unseen/reported events. so the day/hour can and should be any moment from here on out. many prophecies have been fulfilled in the last 70 years and signs and wonders laying out that correlate to all of the above and must happen first before the lords return. I can't think of anymore prophecies that need to happen before the rapture(the twigs are getting tender, the leaves are coming out). I believe the tribulation (time of trouble and affliction)has been going on for a long time. when the church is raptured we will have just started or will start the great tribulation the beginning of the end.

I agree the Rapture is near, there are OTHER THINGS that must come to pass first, but we are very near as you say and in the past 70 years we have been close, since Israel was reborn, as Ezekiel prophesied. That had to happen first. 

As per the Fig Tree Parable, I used to include it with verses 35-42, but it hit me that it was speaking of ALL THE SIGNS, meaning some of the signs in Matthew 24 early on would be signs of the 70 AD event, some of the signs would be of the 2000 year Church Age, some of the Signs would ALSO BE during the Tribulation Period (Sun, Moon turning Dark/Blood etc.) So verse 32-34 is pointing towards Jesus' Second Coming, not the Rapture. 

1 hour ago, WholeyGod'schild said:

you obviously willfully ignored my post and passage I posted showing you Jesus went to the Samaritans.

now if you feel like calling God's plan and actions a mistake, well sir that is on you. I myself believe all things ordained by God, and told to Jesus to do was part of a plan and was purposeful.

I don't reply without reading.....My point is just different from your understanding it seems. I take Jesus' own words, I look at the fact that Jesus forbid the 12 and 70 he sent out from Going unto the Gentiles. I stated HIS MINISTRY was to Israel only, I never say he didn't die for all man-kind or didn't send Paul unto the Gentiles after his Death, I stated Jesus Ministry as per his own words, was unto Israel only. I am come to the lost sheep of Israel only. 

 

1 hour ago, WholeyGod'schild said:

Also look at the woman at the well,  in John 4 he talks with her and brings salvation to her. If he was planning on bringing salvation to the Jews alone, the conversation would have never happened, unless you Believe Jesus made a mistake or didn't have a plan that was unfolding before the readers eyes. then it progresses to other Samaritans receiving his living water.

Once again, I didn't say he was planning on bringing Salvation to Israel only. The Angel told Abraham that all man-kind would be saved through his SEED (Jesus). We understand that. I stated Jesus' Ministry was to Israel only, meaning he came to instruct the Jewish peoples he was their Messiah, he never went unto the Gentiles, everyone came to him. He forbid his disciples from going unto the Gentiles, Jesus couldn't break the perfect law, but after he was crucified, he had FULFILLED ALL, and thus became the curse of the law for all of us. Then he sent Paul unto the Gentiles. AFTERWARDS. Him healing Gentiles was just God having Mercy, not is MISSION.....His Mission/Ministry was to preach that the Kingdom of God had come unto Israel, and they were looking for a Conquering Messiah so they rejected him. Bur they will receive him in due time.

I think we might just differ on his Ministries scope while he was ALIVE....After his death the scope expanded. Also, I didn't say Gentiles couldn't accept him at that time, I just stated his ministries scope was unto Israel.

[OneLight]

35 minutes ago, eileenhat said:

I realize that date setting isn't the topic necessarily here, but I did 'figure out' the 70 weeks (wasn't difficult, if you know who the 'Beast out of the Sea is').

As I wrote previously on other threads, I had a vision last year from the Lord that the 'Beast out of the Sea' was Roosevelt and his co-horts on 'D' day in Normandy and that date is June 6th, 1956.  He dies (as foretold in scripture from 'a head wound') and the Beast is re-born as the UN on October 24th, 1945.  Many videos are already out about the UN and how it compares with 'The Beast' in scriptures.  

God kept Roosevelt's true identity a mystery though until he revealed it last year.  I have previous posts giving a more detailed anaylsis on this topic.

I witnessed the saints resurrecting on Oct. 31st, 2015 (already mentioned that thread detailing that entel got deleted by staff).  There is no short version to give about this supernatural event that would bring enough explanation to verify it here.  

Continuing, so if you calculate the number of years between those two dates, ie. UN formation and date I witnessed first hand as the date the Saints resurrected, you get exactly 70 years and 7 days.

God does like his '7's'.

You really need to check your facts.  The number of countries that participated in D-Day were not 7, as each head represents a country or kingdom.  From the D-Day Museum

The majority of troops who landed on the D-Day beaches were from the United Kingdom, Canada and the US. However, troops from many other countries participated in D-Day and the Battle of Normandy, in all the different armed services: Australia, Belgium, Czechoslovakia, France, Greece, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway and Poland.

That is 12 nations.