Did JESUS live in the past?

[Your closest friendnt]

29 minutes ago, Mike 2 said:

Are there any specific references to JESUS having been alive or interacting with humans in the past (the Old Testament)....not the Christ, or the Son, but JESUS? And if so, what is the context, is it actually using the name Jesus to direct us to the Son or the Christ?

Please use a reference and keep in mind context.

No there is not, in the scriptures we see the following: an angel of the Lord bringing the message of the Lord,and had the powers to do what they promised, and ID, by saying we are from the Lord God, your God, and not from another God, so give all the glory to the Lord your God, he sent us and no someone else, do not whorship any one else only the Lord God. 

Anyone greater was called Lord, even Sarah called Abraham Lord, that's the culture at that time. 

Everyone bow before the King and call him Lord, what does that mean? 

Joshua met the Captain of the Lord's army, and he bow down to him, and called him Lord, and recognize him as greater than him.

Joshua had experience , and could tell the Lord God from his Captain, because Joshua was with Moses, and can tell the difference. 

The Lord God created the Angels and he gave them powers to do his will. 

He is not without Angels, and he did not had to do everything on his own .

Later he had Moses, and his prophets, Elijah and more. 

And as with Joshua, the Lord God, gave Gideon an Angel to help him. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

5 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Mike 2,

`Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly: I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."`(John 8: 58)

Marilyn.

JESUS did not say that he was before Abraham the way he was that time. 

When we read John 1: we see that Jesus preexisted as the Lord God the Creator. 

John was telling the Jews, the same thing JESUS told them. 

If you don't have me, you do not have any God, because I was your God, before I was born as all of you know and I know from Mary. 

 

[Mike 2]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

Hi Mike 2,

`Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly: I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM."`(John 8: 58)

Marilyn.

Hi Marilyn , I'm open for discussion on this but I think if we look at the context of this passage...

 now this is going to sound weird if you don't meditate on it,.....

.....this passage is the SON OF GOD giving us a spiritual message about who He is....

He's doing it in the created physical, (the world around him)....

THROUGH the created physical (Jesus) as indicated in your quote

In looking at the context of this passage, most if not all of chapter 8 is about the SON OF GOD revealing himself to the physical world around him, specifically, the people.

To say "Jesus said" is correct...the person writing this passage physically observed the person speaking as Jesus.

But it was THE SON OF GOD speaking through the created body known as Jesus.

We are all spirits living in a body, when we act in the physical it is a result of our spirit's desire working through the physical (our bodies). 

The physical body cannot be "I AM" because the physical is created, it has to be the spirit within the body that is I AM.

 

So I propose that in reading this, it is the Son of God, that is saying "before Abraham was, I AM" .

 

yea yea I'm splitting hairs but that is what this chain is intended to do

 

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2017 by Mike 2

[Marilyn C]

1 minute ago, Mike 2 said:

Hi Marilyn , I'm open for discussion on this but I think if we look at the context of this passage...

 now this is going to sound weird if you don't meditate on it,.....

.....this passage is the SON OF GOD giving us a spiritual message about who He is....

He's doing it in the created physical, (the world around him)....

THROUGH the created physical (Jesus) as indicated in your quote

In looking at the context of this passage, most if not all of chapter 8 is about the SON OF GOD revealing himself to the physical world around him, specifically, the people.

To say "Jesus said" is correct...the person writing this passage physically observed the person speaking as Jesus.

But it was THE SON OF GOD speaking through the created body known as Jesus.

We are all spirits living in a body, when we act in the physical it is a result of our spirit's desire working through the physical (our bodies). 

The physical body cannot be "I AM" because the physical is created, it has to be the spirit within the body that is I AM.

So I propose that in reading this, it is the Son of God, that is saying "before Abraham was, I AM" .

yea yea I'm splitting hairs but that what this chain is intended to do

 

Hi Mike 2,

Actually you have described it well. And we need to remember that the Lord`s manifestation on earth was just that - His manifestation as a man. His purpose was to destroy the works of the evil one and to bring salvation to mankind. Being `Saviour` deliverer, called Joshua, Jesus, in our language is just describing what He was doing.

The Lord is all those titles, and you are just highlighting them.

regards, Marilyn.

[Mike 2]

2 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

 

OOPs this posted twice

 

 

 

Edited June 16, 2017 by Mike 2

[Mike 2]

2 hours ago, Anonymous Aristotle said:

At this stage I wonder if you read the writing that I linked. Because it does not seem like it from your remarks. I hope you find what you're looking for. 
In the meantime , I hope what I posted helps someone in their studies. 

 

I think it will because it is indicating to us that God has come to us in many ways over many years.

In the end my splitting hairs about it should not change the importance that He does that.

[Willa]

On 6/13/2017 at 5:31 PM, Mike 2 said:

So if The Son created everything, when we see the burning bush or the arm for example...are you saying we are seeing the Christ created,

or are we seeing a burning bush and an arm ? (and the angel and the lunch guest)

Do these passages say that what we are seeing is Jesus?

Or is this the Son of God at work?

 

Jesus identifies Himself as being I AM, or YHWH.  John 8 paired with Exodus 3.   I AM and the Word are the pre incarnate Son of God.  He is the Alpha and Omega Who was and is, and is to come in Rev. 1.    The arisen Christ is the ascended Christ, is the glorified Christ Whose name is above every name.  They are all God together with the Father and the Holy Spirit.  

[Mike 2]

3 minutes ago, Willa said:

Jesus identifies Himself as being I AM, or YHWH.  John 8 paired with Exodus 3.   I AM and the Word are the pre incarnate Son of God.  He is the Alpha and Omega Who was and is, and is to come in Rev. 1.    The arisen Christ is the ascended Christ, is the glorified Christ Whose name is above every name.  They are all God together with the Father and the Holy Spirit.  

Amen

[Pudgenik]

Let us understand what Jesus is. Yes, we all know Him to be the Son of God, or the Father. But what else is Jesus. The living water... in the scripture it is written. The rock that Moses struck followed them around in the desert, and that rock was Jesus. So what else is Jesus. In the 1st chapter of the Gospel of John it is written. In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God.  

The more curious part though is written a few versus later. 

The Word was made flesh, "He" lived among us.

It stands to reason this passage is clearly taking about Jesus. And that Jesus was with God from the beginning.

[Your closest friendnt]

7 minutes ago, Pudgenik said:

Let us understand what Jesus is. Yes, we all know Him to be the Son of God, or the Father. But what else is Jesus. The living water... in the scripture it is written. The rock that Moses struck followed them around in the desert, and that rock was Jesus. So what else is Jesus. In the 1st chapter of the Gospel of John it is written. In the beginning was the Word. The Word was with God and the Word was God.  

The more curious part though is written a few versus later. 

The Word was made flesh, "He" lived among us.

It stands to reason this passage is clearly taking about Jesus. And that Jesus was with God from the beginning.

I would like to ask you something, it's not an intruding, or an investigative question, it is just an inquiry. 

I understand what you posted about Jesus may be supported by a lot others, but not by me. 

I do not believe that the scriptures support the saying that Jesus did anything before his birth. 

The witness of the prophesies and the announcement of the news by the Angel to Mary.