Antichrist/Sea Beast.

[brakelite]

8 minutes ago, Daniel 11:36 said:

Daniel 7:7 forward is all about the 70th week decreed for Israel at the end of this present age

The so called 70th week has been gone and dusted for 2000 years. There is no future 7 years in prophecy. The 490 years appointed for Israel has been completed.

[angels4u]

37 minutes ago, fayec said:

2nd Thessalonians  2:4 says that the man of lawlessness will "oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that his is God."

In my opinion I believe that scriptures is saying, the descendants of Cain will exalt themselves above the European white man,  so much so that, one of them will sit as Pope in the Catholic Church representing God.

Which, in your honest opinion, is more likely to occur in the coming years?   A man called Antichrist sitting in a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, claiming to be God?, or a Black man sitting as Pope in the Catholic Church representing God?

 

Time will tell what will happen,all what matters is are we ready to meet the Lord?

[Last Daze]

1 hour ago, brakelite said:

Yes. Simply Daniel 2 repeated but with more detail. Again repeated in Daniel 8 and 11...no 2000 year gap in prophecy...but prophecy began to be fulfilled in Daniels time and continued to unfold in a constant horizontal timeline to this day. Not futurism...not preterism..which were both created by Jesuit priests in the 16th or 17th century as part of the counte-reformation and successfully diverting the acususing fingers of the church  away from Rome as being the Antichrist to either Antiochus in the past or an imaginary boogey man in the future,hiding the real one from prophetic view...as if God didnt know about him? I am an historicist. Matching propecy with unfolding history. 

Based on what historical document(s)?

[fixerupper]

12 hours ago, fayec said:

There is no correlation to the antichrists in 1st John, and the beast called "man of lawlessness" in Daniel, 2nd Thess. 2, and Revelation.  None whatsoever.

Antichrists are  those people who do not believe that Jesus was God in the flesh, while the beast called man of lawlessness are the people who descended from Cain. 

In verse 18 John was not referring to one particular "Antichrist" coming in the last days, he was referring to the antichrist spirit which would come. 

That's incorrect fayec...

He IS one individual since there are several times personal pronouns are used to describe him. 

This verse has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....

[fixerupper]

7 hours ago, brakelite said:

Yes. Simply Daniel 2 repeated but with more detail. Again repeated in Daniel 8 and 11...no 2000 year gap in prophecy...but prophecy began to be fulfilled in Daniels time and continued to unfold in a constant horizontal timeline to this day. Not futurism...not preterism..which were both created by Jesuit priests in the 16th or 17th century as part of the counte-reformation and successfully diverting the acususing fingers of the church  away from Rome as being the Antichrist to either Antiochus in the past or an imaginary boogey man in the future,hiding the real one from prophetic view...as if God didnt know about him? I am an historicist. Matching propecy with unfolding history. 

I think I've asked you before...

Why would God find it necessary to repeat a vision he gave Daniel in chapter 2 AGAIN in chapter 7?  Was there something deficient or inferior in Daniel 2 that required repeating in Daniel 7?

So you're a historicist.  That explains it.

A Jesuit priest didn't create futurism, but Catholicism did create historicism!

[brakelite]

10 hours ago, Last Daze said:

Based on what historical document(s)?

There are numerous books written by both Catholic and Protestant historians which together provide screeds of evidence to the events of the last 2000 years...many quotingcor citing ancient documents in verification. Wylie...Gibbons...Schaff....de Aubigne...Dowling...to name just a few.

[brakelite]

4 hours ago, fixerupper said:

I think I've asked you before...

Why would God find it necessary to repeat a vision he gave Daniel in chapter 2 AGAIN in chapter 7?  Was there something deficient or inferior in Daniel 2 that required repeating in Daniel 7?

So you're a historicist.  That explains it.

A Jesuit priest didn't create futurism, but Catholicism did create historicism!

In 1825 a small group of men, dissatisfied with the spiritual
condition of the Protestant Church in Ireland, met in Dublin to
spiritually strengthen one another. Soon other groups were formed
in Ireland and in England. The most famous of these was the one in
Plymouth.
This group came to be known as the Plymouth Brethren. Among the notables in these fellowships were Edward Irving, Dr. S. P. Tregelles and John Nelson Darby (who joined in 1827). At some point during this time, Edward Irving heard some mysterious utterances in an unknown tongue telling him that there was going to be a secret rapture of the church before the visible coming of Jesus.
This was a new concept in the incredible journey of futurism. Futurists
themselves will admit that this idea was alien to the Christian church until the 19th century. Dr. S. P. Tregelles, who, as we have noted, for some time belonged to the Plymouth Brethren movement but later abandoned it describes Irving’s experience:
“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a secret rapture of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s church, from what was there received as being the Voice of the Spirit. But whether anyone ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God.” (S. P. Tregelles, The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming, first published in 1864, and now available at Ambassadors for Christ, Los Angeles, California).
From 1830 onward, a series of conferences were held at Powerscourt Castle in Ireland. We know that Edward Irving attended some of these as did John Nelson Darby and other key leaders of the Plymouth Brethren. At these meetings literalistic futurism became the prophetic methodology of choice and the idea of the secret rapture was adopted. The views established at these conferences soon spread like grassfire and penetrated other denominations.
We must say a few words about John Nelson Darby. He was born in Ireland in 1800 and died in 1882. He was a brilliant law student at
Westminster Trinity College. Though Darby was intellectually brilliant, physically, he left much to be desired. A brother of Cardinal Newman, who was a good friend of Darby’s describes his physical traits:
“. . . a most remarkable man, who rapidly gained an immense sway over me. His bodily presence was indeed ‘weak.’ A fallen cheek, a blood-shot eye, crippled limbs resting on crutches, a seldom shaven beard, a shabby suit of clothes, and a generally neglected person, drew at first pity, with wonder to see such a figure in a drawing room.” (Quoted in McDougall, The Rapture of the Saints, p. 45).
Darby soon broke with the Church of England and embraced literalistic futurism with a vengeance. Undoubtedly, one of the main reasons why he did not discern the Papacy as the Antichrist was his total disdain for
history. He once remarked: “I do not want history to tell me Nineveh or Babylon is ruined or Jerusalem in the hands of the Gentiles. I do not admit history to be, in any sense, necessary to the understanding of prophecy.” (Quoted in, Oswald T. Allis, Prophecy and the Church [Philadelphia: The Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company], 1977, p. 26).
In the historicist method, a knowledge of history is of critical importance because it provides the reference point for the understanding of prophecy. But in futurism, an understanding of history is superfluous.
It is of great importance to realize that between 1859 and 1874, Darby made six trips to the United States where he was warmly welcomed and his views were eagerly adopted.
Darby’s writings, however, would have been forgotten had it not been for Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921). Scofield was converted in 1879 and, though he had no theological training, he was ordained a Congregationalist minister three years later. At this time, Darby’s books were gathering dust in the few libraries where they could be found. But when Scofield discovered them, he came up with the idea of incorporating Darby’s futuristic ideas into a series of footnotes in the King James Bible. Thus in 1909, the famous Scofield Reference Bible was born. Soon, the notes were considered as inspired as the Bible itself. Even today, this is the Bible of choice among Protestants who uphold a futurist
outlook of Bible prophecy.

[fayec]

11 hours ago, fixerupper said:

That's incorrect fayec...

He IS one individual since there are several times personal pronouns are used to describe him. 

This verse has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....

 

NOWHERE in Daniel, or Revelation, or even 2nd Thessalonians 2, can you find the term "the Antichrist" in relation to the man of lawlessness.  The reason being that the man of lawlessness is not one single individual man, but rather that race/nationality of man which descended from Cain. 

In 2nd Thess. 2 Paul foretold that in the last days that race would exalt himself above all that is of the house of Israel, ie above the European Caucasians.

In Daniel and Revelation that race is symbolized as "the ten horns", meaning, a people.

It is that lawless race upon AMERICA which Daniel and John the Revelator wrote about.

Notice Daniel 7:24

"And the ten horns (and the people) out of this kingdom (out of the United Kingdom and out of Europe) are ten kings that shall arise (are European Americans that shall arise): and another (and another ten horns, another people) shall rise after them; and he (and this people) shall be diverse from the first....."

And John wrote in Revelation 17:16,17

"And the ten horns (and the man of lawlessness) which thou sawest upon the beast (upon Babylon the great/AMERICA), these shall hate the whore , and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her  flesh, and burn her with fire."

"For God hath put in their hearts (in the hearts of the European Americans) to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast (unto the man of lawlessness), until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

 

 

 

[fixerupper]

2 hours ago, fayec said:

NOWHERE in Daniel, or Revelation, or even 2nd Thessalonians 2, can you find the term "the Antichrist" in relation to the man of lawlessness.  The reason being that the man of lawlessness is not one single individual man, but rather that race/nationality of man which descended from Cain. 

In 2nd Thess. 2 Paul foretold that in the last days that race would exalt himself above all that is of the house of Israel, ie above the European Caucasians.

In Daniel and Revelation that race is symbolized as "the ten horns", meaning, a people.

It is that lawless race upon AMERICA which Daniel and John the Revelator wrote about.

Notice Daniel 7:24

"And the ten horns (and the people) out of this kingdom (out of the United Kingdom and out of Europe) are ten kings that shall arise (are European Americans that shall arise): and another (and another ten horns, another people) shall rise after them; and he (and this people) shall be diverse from the first....."

And John wrote in Revelation 17:16,17

"And the ten horns (and the man of lawlessness) which thou sawest upon the beast (upon Babylon the great/AMERICA), these shall hate the whore , and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her  flesh, and burn her with fire."

"For God hath put in their hearts (in the hearts of the European Americans) to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast (unto the man of lawlessness), until the words of God shall be fulfilled."

Well you're wrong and you didn't look or pay attention to my post.  The man of sin is ONE individual since personnal pronouns are used to describe him, over a dozen times.  

Did you look at 2 John 2:18?  Are you willing to change your mind and accept what truth is there? 

Many translations have it right, the KJV doesn't, and neither do you.....

New International Version
Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

New Living Translation
Dear children, the last hour is here. You have heard that the Antichrist is coming, and already many such antichrists have appeared. From this we know that the last hour has come.

Berean Study Bible
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

International Standard Version
Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you heard that an antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 

NET Bible
Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour.

New Heart English Bible
Little children, these are the end times, and as you heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen. By this we know that it is the final hour.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
My children, it is an end time, and according to what you have heard that The False Messiah comes, already there have been many false messiahs, and by this we know that it is an end time.

So I have to repeat...

2 John 2:18 has one word for antichrist that is singular, the other plural, and wasn't translated correctly in the KJV.

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that (THE) antichrist (singular) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; (plural) whereby we know that it is the last time.

The verse actually reads in the Greek interlinear like this...

Little boys and girls, it is the last hour and according as ye hear that THE "instead-anointed" (antichrist) is coming and now many instead anointeds have become.....

Take a look for yourself...

http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/1jo2.pdf

I don't agree with your America/European connection.  There's no use me asking where you get that idea, people typically aren't very good at showing people WHY they believe WHAT they believe.

America and Europe aren't found in end-time prophecy. 

[Last Daze]

10 hours ago, brakelite said:

There are numerous books written by both Catholic and Protestant historians which together provide screeds of evidence to the events of the last 2000 years...many quotingcor citing ancient documents in verification. Wylie...Gibbons...Schaff....de Aubigne...Dowling...to name just a few.

How do they explain this as being historical:

• He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.  But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.  Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.  Daniel 7:25-27

Are all the kingdoms under heaven given to the saints?  This is what it says happens after the 42 months.